Windows AiOs annoy me

Discussion in 'Alternatives to Mac Hardware' started by pika2000, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. pika2000 macrumors 603

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    We frequently criticize Apple for soldering things and overpricing their computers. Although I personally see the value in the ecosystem, I can understand those negative issues.

    I recently am looking for an AiO for a friend’s family, and I thought Windows machines can provide better bang for the buck nowadays. Boy I am wrong. (Budget note, if we have to spend $2k or more, might as well get the iMac).

    - SSD or some sort of SSD hybrid only on the top most expensive model. This is just beyond me. Almost all models other than the top most end still have plain old spinning platter in them. Yet these companies are brazen enough to upsell these PCs with core i7. Seriously, what’s the point of that i7 if it’s on a 5400rpm drive? It’s like having a Porsche engine on a car with motorcycle tires. Apple is not entirely guilt free here, but at least their mid end models habpve fusion drive. The PC OEMs prefer to pile up on numbers first, like putting in 2TB slow laptop drive, instead of adding an SSD.
    - so I thought fine, I can upgrade the PC myself. I mean that’s one of the biggest issue with Apple, user accessibility, or the lack of, of the machine. Well, the PC side is no different. Sure you can open them if you want, but you probably have to break some plastics that will ruin the aesthetics and there are still gajillion screws and hard to reach components. Seriously? Basically they want you to just get the top end model. Why can’t they be different from Apple, providing some modularity at least for the drive and RAM?
    - the seemingly better ones are the gaming oriented models. But they look tacky and are expensive, and by that point, might as well get the iMac.

    The other option is to go back to traditional desktop and monitor set up, which is not really ideal in modern small homes and rooms.

    /rant
     
  2. Queen6 macrumors 604

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    I'd just buy a 15" / 17" gaming notebook and add an external display as they are generally very scalable, some coming with both SSD & SSDH. RAM is generally upgradeable and performance beating out many a desktop and certainly vast majority of AiO. Alternatively go the other route and get an Intel NUC and mount it behind the display.

    I use an ASUS ROG GL703GS in a professional role and have never had anyone comment negatively on the aesthetic. I just switch the keyboard to white and it's good to go. If you have need of more performance a traditional desktop is the only route.

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  3. maflynn Moderator

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    I don't know why makers like Dell choose to put spinning drives in their AIO models. A quick survey shows all of Dells AIO have spinning disks, except for the top tier which uses a hybrid drive. HPs are no better.

    I haven't said this in a long time, but when I was looking at the iMac (I bought the 2015), pound for pound, it was a better deal then any other similarly equipped PC. Even Linus of Linus Tech Tips mentioned in a number of videos that the iMac Pro was a better deal then building or buying a similarly equipped workstation.
     
  4. Queen6 macrumors 604

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    Agree if I wanted an AiO I'd opt for the iMac Pro, with a large capacity SSD for OS X 7 W10. Workstation I'd build myself as it would be custom to my need which would be more relevant than the price.

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  5. pika2000 thread starter macrumors 603

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    Preach to the choir. It's not only Dell and HP, it's all of them, including Lenovo, Asus, and Acer. Literally only their top most end model comes with SSD or some hybrid solution as standard. It's ultra annoying when you see a core i7 desktop with a measly spinning platter. But hey, it's 2TB! :rolleyes:

    I might end up just getting an iMac instead if I have to spend around $2k. It's ridiculous.
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    A laptop with an external display just takes more desktop space. And gaming laptops are not really noise friendly, although I agree they do perform well. But still, they're quite on the pricey side. The higher we go on price, the more compelling it is to just get the mid-range iMac with fusion drive and be done with it.

    I thought of intel NUC. Might explore that option. However, the separate monitor thing, even if the machine is mounted, can be expensive (good monitors are not that cheap). And if the added total cost are inching towards $2k, I have less excuses to not just get the iMac.
     
  6. maflynn Moderator

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    For me, back in 2015, it made too much sense. The 5k screen alone makes the iMac worth it.
     

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