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I think the key is "or whatever else matters". A lot of the people jumping ship were never looking for anything similar to the 2016 MBP in the first place.

Me? If I could get something like a 2010 17", only with modern/upgraded hardware, that'd be awesome. So, 17" 1920x1200 display, matte screen, ethernet port, multiple USB ports, SD card reader, HDMI, minidisplayport/TB2, magsafe, and at least one TB3 port. User-upgradeable memory, user-upgradeable storage. Ideally, with two storage options; say, minipci and nvme. Touchpad with actual physical buttons. Actual keyboard with key travel and not missing the function keys. That would be so much better.
This is pointless arguing semantics with you. Seems like you just want an internet fight for some reason. But... the OP did specifically state he was looking for an alternative to his soon-to-be-arriving 2016 MBP 15". Maybe I'm too literal? I complement someone's suggestion of the razer and you jump on my comment? Not sure what your deal is. Again, good luck in finding your 2010-17 inch-with upgraded internals laptop dude.
 
This is pointless arguing semantics with you. Seems like you just want an internet fight for some reason. But... the OP did specifically state he was looking for an alternative to his soon-to-be-arriving 2016 MBP 15". Maybe I'm too literal? I complement someone's suggestion of the razer and you jump on my comment? Not sure what your deal is. Again, good luck in finding your 2010-17 inch-with upgraded internals laptop dude.

I can actually tell you what the issue is: You're interpreting a minor disagreement on a thing as picking a fight and trying to get into an argument. Given your other comments about difficulties with Internet engagement, I'm guessing that you have this problem a lot.

Sometimes people just happen to disagree on a point, and aren't upset or mad, they're just pointing it out or discussing it and don't intend any hostility.

Anyway, "alternative to X" doesn't really imply "a thing identical to X". One person might conclude that the 11" Air is a better "alternative". Another might think that a desktop-replacement thing is a better "alternative".

So, as a person who got a 2016 15" MBP, and found it unusable, I described the machine I got as an alternative. It's not all that similar, but that's because I hated the 2016 MBP.
 
I can actually tell you what the issue is: You're interpreting a minor disagreement on a thing as picking a fight and trying to get into an argument. Given your other comments about difficulties with Internet engagement, I'm guessing that you have this problem a lot.

Sometimes people just happen to disagree on a point, and aren't upset or mad, they're just pointing it out or discussing it and don't intend any hostility.

Anyway, "alternative to X" doesn't really imply "a thing identical to X". One person might conclude that the 11" Air is a better "alternative". Another might think that a desktop-replacement thing is a better "alternative".

So, as a person who got a 2016 15" MBP, and found it unusable, I described the machine I got as an alternative. It's not all that similar, but that's because I hated the 2016 MBP.
That's wonderful that you think whatever you bought (I have no idea because I wasn't even addressing you) is a better "alternative" to OP's specific request for alternatives to the MBP 16. Whatever formula you worked out to rationalize above is also wonderful. Just saying there's no need to argue about a COMPLEMENT to another poster's suggestion. I have "difficulties with Internet engagement" with people like you who inexplicably argue points for the sake of arguing. I was just making a complement to someone else's suggestion. Maybe if I had just complemented you, you would have felt better and let a separate complement unrelated to you simply slide? Let's move on and try to stay out each others' complements to others.
 
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The OP asked for "alternatives to the 2016 MBP". I identified a thing which was, for me, an alternative. As in, I got a MBP 2016, I wasn't happy with it, I got this instead, it is now doing the things I was going to have the 2016 MBP do.

That sounds like an "alternative" to me.
 
Thanks for the input, all. While there are some excellent Windows laptops out there, I'm inclined to agree with AdonisSMU that none is quite like the new 15" MBPs. That makes the question of whether the MBP is overpriced relative to the competition harder to settle.

The Dell XPS 15 UHD seems to come closest to the MBP 15". For $1900, sometimes less with discounts, you can get the same CPU as the base MBP 15", 16 GB RAM, a very fast if still significantly slower 512 GB SSD, a significantly higher resolution but less bright lower-contrast display, a touchscreen instead of a touch bar, a comparable dGPU, good but not as good speakers, a variety of ports but only one Thunderbolt/USB C, more limited ability to run external monitors, poor battery runtime for casual use, better repairability, and Windows, that can run hot and throttle under load. (This is based on reviews, not my experience. Corrections are welcome,)

Whether that's a better value depends on how much you value the strong points of the MBP screen vs the resolution of the Dell screen, touch bar versus touchscreen, the better speakers, the faster SSD, ability to run more monitors, sometimes better battery runtime, more Thunderbolt/USB C ports versus less variety, sometimes cooler running, Mac OS vs Windows, and Apple versus Dell quality, customer service, etc.

I think for most people the Dell probably is the better value. But for many the Mac is still a better deal, even at the higher price.

Personally, I find the larger more powerful laptops like the Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 attractive too, but they're in a different class, enough that comparisons are even more subjective.
 
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Thanks for the input, all. While there are some excellent Windows laptops out there, I'm inclined to agree with AdonisSMU that none is quite like the new 15" MBPs. That makes the question of whether the MBP is overpriced relative to the competition harder to settle.

The Dell XPS 15 UHD seems to come closest to the MBP 15". For $1900, sometimes less with discounts, you can get the same CPU as the base MBP 15", 16 GB RAM, a very fast if still significantly slower 512 GB SSD, a significantly higher resolution but less bright lower-contrast display, a touchscreen instead of a touch bar, a comparable dGPU, good but not as good speakers, a variety of ports but only one Thunderbolt/USB C, more limited ability to run external monitors, poor battery runtime for casual use, better repairability, and Windows, that can run hot and throttle under load. (This is based on reviews, not my experience. Corrections are welcome,)

Whether that's a better value depends on how much you value the strong points of the MBP screen vs the resolution of the Dell screen, touch bar versus touchscreen, the better speakers, the faster SSD, ability to run more monitors, sometimes better battery runtime, more Thunderbolt/USB C ports versus less variety, sometimes cooler running, Mac OS vs Windows, and Apple versus Dell quality, customer service, etc.

I think for most people the Dell probably is the better value. But for many the Mac is still a better deal, even at the higher price.

Personally, I find the larger more powerful laptops like the Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 attractive too, but they're in a different class, enough that comparisons are even more subjective.

I was in a similar situation over the summer and ended up trying out a few different PC laptops. I recently posted a short condensed view of a few of them: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ve-from-a-pc-mobile-workstation-user.2018919/

My favorite in terms of flexibility and power was the P50, but it's a monster, both in terms of power and size/weight. I got the 2016 TB MacBook Pro recently, and absolutely love it. I would prefer the function keys back, but there is no laptop with this power and form factor in the market today. The 15" is pretty much the same thickness as the TB 13" with a larger footprint.

If you have any specific questions on the XPS 15, Razer Blade, or P50 let me know. I got to know those three models pretty well.
 
If your preference is form over function, apple is number 1.

If I was looking at a windows machine, probably a razer, cause of the core.
 
That's wonderful that you think whatever you bought (I have no idea because I wasn't even addressing you) is a better "alternative" to OP's specific request for alternatives to the MBP 16. Whatever formula you worked out to rationalize above is also wonderful. Just saying there's no need to argue about a COMPLEMENT to another poster's suggestion. I have "difficulties with Internet engagement" with people like you who inexplicably argue points for the sake of arguing. I was just making a complement to someone else's suggestion. Maybe if I had just complemented you, you would have felt better and let a separate complement unrelated to you simply slide? Let's move on and try to stay out each others' complements to others.

You're very patient to even bother reiterating yourself. Credit to you.

How much pent up rage must some people have to actively look for fights in Internet forums even when the well meaning intent of a post is explained repeatedly?

I'm telling you, if you all keep this up someone like Trump will be President one day...
 
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If your preference is form over function, apple is number 1.

If I was looking at a windows machine, probably a razer, cause of the core.

I thought the same about the Razer, but I really struggled with the Razor's QHD+ screen and the high pitched coil whine. To be honest I would have kept it if the screen was better, it was super glossy and felt like a glass slapped on top of an older model matte display.
 
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I thought the same about the Razer, but I really struggled with the Razor's QHD+ screen and the high pitched coil whine. To be honest I would have kept it if the screen was better, it was super glossy and felt like a glass slapped on top of an older model matte display.
Yup, something about the Razer blades screen was just off to me. Also the bezel was really big
 
Thanks Zigman, very useful comments. It would be great if Apple made a heavier laptop with more power, but I suppose their market research has shown them that, like the 17" (which is what I've stuck with till now), there's not enough demand for an Apple version of a P50.

If you notice anything inaccurate in what I said about the XPS 15, please let me know.
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If your preference is form over function, apple is number 1.

If I was looking at a windows machine, probably a razer, cause of the core.

If by form you mean size and weight, that's part of the function for a portable device. The new MBP and the XPS 15 are similar in that respect.

The Razer does have attractive features, but reviews, Zigman and others say the screen and heat aren't so good. I expect I'll stick with the MBP myself.
 
Thanks Zigman, very useful comments. It would be great if Apple made a heavier laptop with more power, but I suppose their market research has shown them that, like the 17" (which is what I've stuck with till now), there's not enough demand for an Apple version of a P50.

If you notice anything inaccurate in what I said about the XPS 15, please let me know.
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If by form you mean size and weight, that's part of the function for a portable device. The new MBP and the XPS 15 are similar in that respect.

The Razer does have attractive features, but reviews, Zigman and others say the screen and heat aren't so good. I expect I'll stick with the MBP myself.

I meant design and looks when I said form, Just clarifying :)

I did not know about the coil whine and screen, that would annoy me. To be honest the MBP is in a league of its own , I'm actually in a similar boat and have opted for the 2015 MacBook Pro ....I think lol
 
From the looks of it, at least based on specs posted online, the XPS 15 and the Razor are the closest to being like the new 2016 15" MBP. The P50, while a potential powerhouse workstation, is quite a bit larger and, in my opinion, is not really comparable if the 2016 MBP form factor matters to you. Same goes for most other power house gaming Windows-based laptops. Bigger and badder specs (mostly) but also a lot bigger in size.

Also, they run Windows. Honestly, that is a huge difference. Now if you run (or need to run) a lot of Windows software, then it would be smart. If you are a Mac user and have been for a while, Windows 10 will probably annoy you (if not out right piss you off) and it will take some getting used to.

Definitely a big price difference, but the build quality is very good, and support is generally better with Apple.

Me, I would stick with the new 2010 MBP. My two cents.
 
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