Windows iPhone 7 Series?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by *LTD*, Mar 16, 2010.

  1. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009

    We've confirmed what Sascha Segan reported earlier: Windows Phone 7 Series is leaving a lot of power-user functionality by the wayside in the name of stability and battery life, to wit:

    "True" multitasking. 3rd party apps simply can't run in the background - the only crack in this policy is that some apps will be able to take advantage of the built-in hub services to run - the touchstone case is Pandora in the Music Hub but Microsoft also mentioned photo sync a few times.

    Sideloading. The only way for consumers to get apps on wp7s is to get them through marketplace. The only exceptions: developers, developers releasing beta versions to a limited number of testers, and enterprise apps distributed within a corporation.

    Removable storage

    Microsoft maintains that they're just balancing user demands and there's no doubt that nixing the above simplifies and improves the overall experience for many - if not most - users.

    To make up for the lack of multitasking, Microsoft is following in Apple's shoes by offering push notification as a substitute for the vast majority of apps. One problem: although they're not interruptive like on the iPhone, they just appear and go away and there's no unified place to view all notifications.

    To make up for the lack of sideloading, Microsoft has promised radical transparency for the app submission process to their marketplace. Good news: Microsoft has no problem with competing web browsers, email clients, map clients, and the like. They're all welcome. The bummer is that it doesn't appear right now that you'll be able to change your 'default' apps - for example, tapping on an address in email wouldn't be able to be set to open Google Maps.

    To make up for the lack of removable storage, well, we have the excellent Zune client. However it looks like there won't be a common file area that all apps can access - each app will have access to its own file storage area and be able to use high level APIs to access stuff like music, photos, and the like. So in addition to there not being removable storage, it doesn't look like you'll even be able to access the on-board storage directly as a USB disk. It all goes through the Zune client.

    That's a lot of doom and gloom above, so we'll back off a bit and say that the apps really do look great and nobody can accuse Microsoft of only going halfway towards their vision of rethinking what a mobile platform and mobile apps should be. Until the phones are out there we won't really know how much the above limitations will chafe.


    So in nutshell:

    • No ability to install apps outside of the marketplace
    • No removable storage
    • No drag-and-drop support
    • No copy-and-paste
    • No Multitasking
    • Nicer UI
    • More controlled User Experience

    Sound familiar? To be fair, though, Apple added copy-and-paste and will be adding multitasking soon.
  2. jzuena macrumors 6502a


    Feb 21, 2007
    Lexington, MA, USA
    If it goes through the Zune client to sync you forgot one... it won't work with Macs.
  3. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    Would be a tragedy. ;)
  4. McLarenTopTeam macrumors member

    Mar 15, 2010
    Can't blame MS for following consumer trends. Consumers have shown that they don't really care about features like Copy paste etc as long as the device and UI is nice to look at and easy to use.

    Before we start bashing MS, we should remember that many a apple fan defended the first iphone's lack of copy paste etc as a minor issue. So it would be a bit hypocritical to jump on MS now.

    From what I have seen of the platform, it looks pretty good.
  5. Stella macrumors G3


    Apr 21, 2003
    Hmm.. A lot of it does sound familiar , so if anyone is going to criticize MS, they should also criticize Apple:

    * No side loading of Applications
    * Zero multi-tasking
    * control of UI
    blah blah blah

    If you want a total open OS - opensource and side loading of Applications, the choices remain Android and Symbian.

    Oh how I wish Symbian wasn't a bitch to code - although is getting easier with QT - Open C - Ecplise - Python. Symbian C++ was crap for development - good for performance. These improvements, I fear, maybe too late.

    From the WM7 demos, microsoft seem to be getting innovative, once more.
  6. ravenvii macrumors 604


    Mar 17, 2004
    Melenkurion Skyweir
    I agree. I'm not criticizing Microsoft for doing this - I actually think it's a good thing. I do think Apple knew what they were doing when they created the "walled garden."

    I think the intent of the original post wasn't to criticize Microsoft, but to basically say "see? Microsoft agrees that the walled garden is a good idea."

    Personally I believe this is the future of computing (multitasking aside). We'll have the Linuxes/Androids against the Macs/Windowses eventually.
  7. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    So far, at least two trends seem to be developing:

    1) WP7 will be attractive to users on carriers without the iPhone, and to iPhone type users who desire more hardware choice (keyboards, cameras, etc).

    2) Many current WinMo users will be moving to Android.
  8. jaykk macrumors 6502a

    Jan 5, 2002
  9. soniyajack macrumors newbie

    Feb 21, 2010
    The iPhone's success is actually all the more reason why WP7S needs features that set it apart. The reason the iPhone doesn't have 100% of the smartphone market is precisely because of users who need physical keyboards, removable storage, removable batteries, multitasking, etc. At this point, WP7S appears to be targeted to would-be iPhone owners stuck on carriers other than AT&T.
  10. ArrowSmith macrumors regular

    Dec 15, 2009
    Yeah MSFT isn't delusional that they can convert iPhone users over to WP7S, but they'd like to get Symbian/Blackberry/Android users as well people who have never even bought any smartphone yet(like me).
  11. ChazUK macrumors 603


    Feb 3, 2008
    Essex (UK)
    I really think they're hoping to build on the XBOX Live experience too with the unified gaming stuff going on. That is pretty much the only thing that has impressed me with the recent news on WPS7.

    I do hope that anyone that has panned Apple in the past for iPhone OS's weaknesses (weaknesses that Apple have been working hard fixing) would be just as harsh if not harsher as the iPhone was the evolution and convergence of the iPod line so a lot of what it was missing is very forgivable...

    Windows Phone Series 7 seems to have dropped all ties with Windows Mobile and has given what fanbase WinMo had little reason to migrate to WPS7. Time will tell how it all pans out.

    EDIT: Good Thread LTD. This all had to be said! :p
  12. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    Android is so open it even officially approved scam apps already
    google: android market banking scam

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