Windows on Mac

Discussion in 'Mac and PC Games' started by Jacquescousteau, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. Jacquescousteau macrumors newbie

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    OK I've had an Intel Mac since August 2007 and the first thing that dawned on me was that I couldnt't play my old school games anymore....which occasionally I like to do e.g Bugdom, Deus Ex, Toy Story, Last revelation, 4x4 Evo ....in fact these games are like a history of my time on a mac since 1999....and very nostalgic to me and my daughter - who grew up on Macs

    Now I find as Apple won't support classic (Vista manages to support win 95 games I can prove it) I had to get windows Vista and all my old games for windows and re-boot into vista to play them etc etc

    Isn't there something fundamentally wrong going on here? I was a mac devotee now I spend half my time in Vista because Mac won't support my old programmes.....I also find my PPC programmes crash all the time and leave weird desktop effects (truncated menu bar - multiple icons al la stacks)

    What's going on apple? Vista actually looks much nicer than Leopard which is dull - Leopard doesn't work very well - I have more crashes than OS9 and I spend half my time in Vista because you don't support OS9


    I am very disappointed with the way forward - what works better in Leopard?
     
  2. Fatum macrumors member

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    MacGlide helps for Deus Ex

    Hi,

    I only know Deus Ex of the games you mentioned, so I can only offer you a solution for this.

    By using MacGlide you can get it to run rather easy and it will be smooth. What it does is to allow you to run the game in hardware mode and translates 3dfx hardware functions to OpenGL hardware functions.

    Hope this helps.

    Best regards
    Fatum
     
  3. TechHistorian macrumors member

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    OS 9 can't run on your Intel machine b/c OS 9 wasn't written for Intel processors. The shift to Intel opened up the Windows world for Macs, but in doing so, it cut off legacy support for the PowerPC world -- including OS 9 and before.

    Yes, Vista can run Win95 games. OS X (on PPCs) could run legacy apps in Classic mode. But since there never was an OS 9 written for Intel hardware, the Intel Macs can't do this. Then again, the PowerPC Macs can't run Windows natively through Bootcamp. And there are a lot more legacy Windows games out there than legacy Classic ones.

    We've kept a Sawtooth G4 and a FP G4 iMac (there are also 2 MBPs and an Intel iMac) that we use in our house to run legacy apps -- mostly educational software and a few games -- on OS 9/Classic. If you really want to run the old stuff, you're better off with a legacy machine. Use the Intel Mac for the new material.
     
  4. Consultant macrumors G5

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    I've seen a 10.4 VMWare Virtual Machine image. I wonder if classic will work under that on intel Macs...?
     
  5. lucky3killer macrumors regular

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    That's odd, Leopard is work like perfect on my Mac, also got few crash on applications, not OS.

    Mac OS 9 is very bigger different than OS X because of OS 9 don't have protected memory and other hardware support that means cause more crash in OS. Mac OS X is more stable than OS 9, also I had experienced on more crashes on System 7 on my old 68k Mac in last several years ago.

    Mac OS 9 is classic, non-unix and just regular mac os.

    If you need Mac OS 9 then get PPC Mac, such as G3 and G4 on before 2003 then you are able to install OS 9 on alone instead of classic from OS X.
     
  6. Supaklaw macrumors regular

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    Very soon we'll be able to run games in OS X... essentially windows-free... within the next 2 OS generations. Yes, we are losing a whole history of macs, but many games that were built for OS 9 don't run very well on classic emulation mode. I miss Myth and Alpha Centauri, and their OS X ports never worked that well... but really I miss Myth gaming when there were hundreds online on weekends, which was a long time ago (1998). But wallowing in nostalgia and mourning a past is wasting time, when there's a lot to look forward to. I for one embrace this shift and it only means more, not less, game accessibility for the Mac platform.
     
  7. redsteven macrumors 6502a

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    i find that very hard to believe....
     
  8. Jacquescousteau thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Good feedback thanks

    To Fatum - thanks I haven't tried macglide but I will - however playing Deus Ex on Windows after a boot camp re-boot is great because I'm using the best mac I've ever had ...the load save screens used to take ages on my blueberry imac now they are almost instant - this is better and cost me about £5 (I'm still using a mac after all)

    To TechHistorian - thanks and yes I still have a Blueberry slot loading imac (running os x public beta, os 9.2, and os x 10.3 on 2 partitions) - and I could use all my old stuff on that but it's upstairs and I wanted to find a solution whereby I could do most things from my shiny new intel mac....while I was waiting for this machine to arrive it was such fun using the imac for about 3 weeks - especially the public beta with the grab bag....I also have a 700mhz emac with a dead hard drive which was a brilliant machine for 4 years - need to work out how to resurrect that....but like I said the nostalgic stuff is working better by re-booting to windows and buying windows versions (it's just a shame to have to do that work-around rather than Apple supporting it's old systems ...that was my point)

    Final point on that it was annoying in the early days of osx having to reboot into os9 for certain apps so I suppose this is just like that...I just never imagined I would be re-booting into windows...that is bizarre, from now on I will deem windows "classic" in my mind - same function

    To: Consultant....I'm using VMWare it's good - but not at running games - anyway I think it's wild I have Leopard, Vista (native or emulation), Kubuntu and Solaris running on one machine

    To: Lucky3killer- I was a bit pissed off when I made that post...Leopard has been fast and stable except when using old apps - I have had some bizarre screen renderings after a ppc app has crashed (eg tiny icons, multiple icons overlayed, truncted menu bar) usually when you open a universal app all is restored as normal - and ppc apps crash all the time ...I suppose I'm just being a nostalgist

    To: Supaklaw - well said I am coming round to your way of thinking and making fixes for my present...which are working but something nags at me that apple has abandoned its hardcore....dunno

    To: Misterredman: Thanks yes I managed to get sheepshaver working (after jumping through hoops) but it won't support games....I tried.....great project though - I wish apple would support it

    To: Redsteven - I hope this clarifies what you didn't believe? let me know ...and remember I will never use windows out of choice...vista is pretty but spend a day in there and you will go insane with nags ...I use it to play olde Mac games - it's just a shame
     
  9. Galapp macrumors regular

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    but it is true... it has some bugs, that I am sure are being fixed... in the 1st month of the leopard, it crashed more times than my XP ever crushed...
     
  10. GimmeSlack12 macrumors 603

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    If you want classic then use SheepShaver. It runs 9.0.4 and 9.2.2. Old stuff gets dated and old games get lost. Go pick up an old Mac. There are solutions here you know and the fact that Leopard is bad cause it doesn't support OS 9 programs doesn't hold much weight IMO.
     

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