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wrldwzrd89 said:
So far, here are my results:

Days until first crash:
Mac: 0 (this was due to a PMU problem which was fixed at my local Apple Store)
Windows: 7

Longest crash-free period (days):
Mac: 118 (working on 119th)
Windows: 6 (current streak 2, working on 3rd)

Any comments?

Man, if you are only getting 2 days out of your PC before a reboot you have one screwed up PC.

While PCs and XP does sometimes crash, I can go atleast a month before a reboot causing crash. This is on a box running SQL server, .NET developer studio, and taking some serious resource thrashing.

My PC and G5 crash about the same freq. which is maybe (big maybe) once a month.

I'd say your PC sucks or you have some sucky software, before jumping to the incorrect conclusion OS X is more stable.
 
hobbyiest o/a, about repairing permissions: Repairing permissions should have nothing to do with the previously mentioned GUI problems of version 1.7 of the browser. In fact, I refreshed my entire Hard Drive not even 20 days ago and reupdated to 10.3.4, so I seriously doubt that repairing permissions would be of any help. Also, I used Mozilla 1.6 rigorously under Jaguar - Mac OS X 10.2 - and it performed pretty much the same as in Panther. Now it's very difficult for me to read this part of your post:


hobbyiest o/a said:
where is mozilla 1.7 is and when you install it you also have to install applaction regerestry and place both in your applacation
folder then drag duplaced to your doc then set all up when your done .when you are finshed installing it place it in applacation folder then click on
it to unpakg the applacation regerstery and place in your applaction folder as well, then under keys program added file as the name as mozzila
1.7 in name filed then in next feild or box add mozzilla1.7.org than save it now you should be able to use it correctly.
but it sounds like I need to install something else to make Mozilla 1.7 work correctly. I found nothing posted on the Mozilla site regarding add-ons to the Mozilla browser for GUI fixes. Mozilla has problems as it is, because the developers didn't properly debug it and, I guess, probably won't. Maybe there's still a bug fix for Panther that you're explaining to me and I'm not catching...but explain that above quote more clearly and IF I found out that I need to download an add-on, link me over, and I'll give 1.7 yet another try.
 
Mac vs Win vs Linux

I've always taken it for granted (as a Windows user) that Macs crashed less - it's their reputation - but it's interesting to see empirical (if anecdotal) data.

My parents' Dell/XP machine, obviously preconfigured with well-tested drivers, gives the blue screen or otherwise freezes every 2-3 weeks. It has other problems as well, but it's only used for the Internet and word processing.

When I used Win2K on my own PC, I had to restart every 2 days or so to keep the system running acceptably fast. About 4 days with my Win2K machine at work. Since switching to Mandrake Linux in February, I've had just one system lockup.

I'm looking forward to my new iMac (currently in the mail somewhere). Now that I've read this thread, I'm gonna keep track of my uptime!
 
For a unix system, MAC OS X does tend to crash more than it should.

I dont think you can compare Windows to MAC OS because if you configure the systems right and take all the necessary steps to make your system run right, then both systems can be as stable as each other.

I have seen Windows NT 4.0 boxes up for 500days + with no problems and XP machines up for 100+ days.

If you have stable memory, good power sources, good drivers, take care in what you install/remove then you should be fine.

I'd also like to know where these points came from????? trouble with threads like this, its 'user oppinion' unfortunately there isn't a test where we can compare the os's directly using controlled environments.

Why did i move to mac?? because i love the ui and the unix (bsd) underpinnings, why do i keep windows? because its the largest user base and my job demands i code using microsoft tools...

As i speak, im writing this on a PIII 450, 256mb running NT 4.0 Workstation been up for 213.3 days

My two pence
 
garybUK said:
For a unix system, MAC OS X does tend to crash more than it should.

in my experience, osx is stable. i use osx systems a lot and see on average one kernel panic per year - granted, for a unix SERVER it would be unacceptable, but hardware is what makes server a server, and most macs are not server hardware. unix workstations and unix desktops crash just as often.

most osx "crashes" are individual apps that quit without user asking them to. sometimes finder crashes, too, and the windowmanager relaunches itself, but let's be fair: that is not the unix part (operating system) that crashes but some of the gui processes - and in fact the unix part (operating system) automatically recovers such a crash by relaunching finder or windowmanager whenever such a process is missing from user session. i call that "fault tolerance" as far as operating system is concerned; and to compare, such a crash on windows would force me to reboot the whole operating system - and in osx i don't even need to reboot the current user session (meaning a logout and instant login right after that).

the actual operating system crashes are rare. those are the kernel panics i see once a year. not bad come to think of it, because that is a sum of multiple computers.
 
Sorry yeah, i have to agree, as a server system, the standard desktop wouldn't be acceptable.. but thats why they have a server version :)

im not used to using unix as a desktop (Apart from Solaris) as there arn't really any good ones yet, apart from OSX and maybe Solaris? or IRIX?
 
After two years of using my TiBook, I found out that the pre-installed RAM was bad and had been from the beginning. Once I replaced that, I have not had a single crash. When I called Apple to ask about it, they told me the RAM model number did not match their records of RAM chips used in this computer model and that the dealer must have replaced it withthis chip. On the other hand, Win98 SE crashes all the time on our old PC, and I have had XP crash on me a few times.
 
Rabidjade said:
But as I said before, it depends on the user, the hardware and how much they know about using it.
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I don't know about that... On the surface that statement makes perfect sense, imho.. But most theories always work out on paper... All I know is that in real life experiences I've had 4 different Windows boxes, with 3 different versions of Windows, & everyone of them locked up on a regular basis...

I've also had 3 different Macs, with 3 different versions of operating systems, & have never experienced a lock up...

IMHO, all things being equal- meaning the user(me) & the apps- Mac is far more stable than Windows...
 
Windows XP - no system crashes in about a year (600Mhz Celeron 512M RAM)

OS X(Panther) - no system crashes since 10.2.8, but that was due to 3rd party software(tranparent dock). (800MHz iMac G4 512M of RAM)

Redhat 9.0 - Loading it on a 700Mhz PIII 512M of Ram.

So, from my experience, if you keep your machine updated, and avoid the bad 3rd party software, you shouldn't have any problems. Some 3rd party software can be very very bad.
 
Considering we are in a Mac forum there is no way XP will be seen in a positive manner. I run 3 XP boxes in my house and only had blue screens when my box had a piece of ram go bad and only had a few lockups since then, mostly from 3rd party apps.

Funny thing that hasn't been mentioned is XP was designed to run on about anything that met the specs and considering the hardware out there people; those are big shoes to fill. You have several different types of CPU's, thousands of drivers for add-on cards ranging from SCSI controllers to 9600 baud modems. I can load XP onto my 333 MHz P2 from 8 years ago and not have a problem, it might be slow but it would work. Now OSX is touchy, it has a limited window of hardware it will install onto, no concern for backwards compatibility leaving a lot of Mac users high and dry. When an OS is designed for certain hardware specifications rather than for a wide array, then you will have differences no matter what.

One thing people tend to overlook is most systems shipped from the factory with an OS on it is going to be faulty. No it isn't MS's fault but the installers. Most OS's on factory systems are loaded by images from central servers and these images can be corrupt and they might make it onto a thousand systems before detected. The image might be for the same model but the system might have revised hardware in it. This could create crashes later on and the unknowing user might not see the mistakes until they show their ugly head.

Now OSX doesn't have these big shoes to fill since apple limited its hardware to anything older than 3 years and only a limited amount of processor types. XP needs to be maintained by the user, it’s not a "forget and go" type of operating system. The large amount of "system" programs can create instabilities too, such as anti-virus software, firewalls, pop-up blockers, and so forth.

I always thought comparing the 2 were like comparing apples and oranges. XP was designed for such a broad range of chips and hardware and stability took a few point loss and OSX was designed to be used on such a narrow range of hardware (i.e. anything newer than 2000 and is apple) that stability was there however this also left millions of customers forced to buy new systems to take advantage of the new OS and its features. A point lost in marketing and ignorance is Mac and PC's are not going to replace each other. Some might think so but they both have their ups and downs and both will always be better than the other somewhere.

Bottom line? If XP crashes for you too much, quit complaining and learn Linux. If OSX has too many kernel panics, quit complaining and learn Linux. (I hate Linux :p ) Sorry for the partial off-topic ramble but I needed to say it.

P.S. If you hate something enough, you will do things to cause it to error. One thing I noticed with local Mac users that also have MS boxes. They would neglect their XP box and then talk about how bad of an OS it is. All OS's need to be tweaked and refined to get it to run smooth. You can't just install XP and expect it to be error free, same with OSX. Is this the case on this forum?
 
Rabidjade said:
Considering we are in a Mac forum there is no way XP will be seen in a positive manner. I run 3 XP boxes in my house and only had blue screens when my box had a piece of ram go bad and only had a few lockups since then, mostly from 3rd party apps.

Funny thing that hasn't been mentioned is XP was designed to run on about anything that met the specs and considering the hardware out there people; those are big shoes to fill. You have several different types of CPU's, thousands of drivers for add-on cards ranging from SCSI controllers to 9600 baud modems. I can load XP onto my 333 MHz P2 from 8 years ago and not have a problem, it might be slow but it would work. Now OSX is touchy, it has a limited window of hardware it will install onto, no concern for backwards compatibility leaving a lot of Mac users high and dry. When an OS is designed for certain hardware specifications rather than for a wide array, then you will have differences no matter what.

One thing people tend to overlook is most systems shipped from the factory with an OS on it is going to be faulty. No it isn't MS's fault but the installers. Most OS's on factory systems are loaded by images from central servers and these images can be corrupt and they might make it onto a thousand systems before detected. The image might be for the same model but the system might have revised hardware in it. This could create crashes later on and the unknowing user might not see the mistakes until they show their ugly head.

Now OSX doesn't have these big shoes to fill since apple limited its hardware to anything older than 3 years and only a limited amount of processor types. XP needs to be maintained by the user, it’s not a "forget and go" type of operating system. The large amount of "system" programs can create instabilities too, such as anti-virus software, firewalls, pop-up blockers, and so forth.

I always thought comparing the 2 were like comparing apples and oranges. XP was designed for such a broad range of chips and hardware and stability took a few point loss and OSX was designed to be used on such a narrow range of hardware (i.e. anything newer than 2000 and is apple) that stability was there however this also left millions of customers forced to buy new systems to take advantage of the new OS and its features. A point lost in marketing and ignorance is Mac and PC's are not going to replace each other. Some might think so but they both have their ups and downs and both will always be better than the other somewhere.

Bottom line? If XP crashes for you too much, quit complaining and learn Linux. If OSX has too many kernel panics, quit complaining and learn Linux. (I hate Linux :p ) Sorry for the partial off-topic ramble but I needed to say it.

P.S. If you hate something enough, you will do things to cause it to error. One thing I noticed with local Mac users that also have MS boxes. They would neglect their XP box and then talk about how bad of an OS it is. All OS's need to be tweaked and refined to get it to run smooth. You can't just install XP and expect it to be error free, same with OSX. Is this the case on this forum?

The only XP maintenance I do regularly is disk defragmenter, disk cleanup, file system check, and anti-virus updates. Is there anything else I've missed?

You're absolutely correct regarding how much hardware XP needs to support out of the box. However, that situation will change (becoming more Mac-like) when Longhorn is released (if the system requirements go up dramatically, like they are expected to do).

I haven't had to do anything special to maintain Mac OS X (other than repairing permissions, which CCC takes care of for me whenever I back up).
 
OS stability has been good for me on both Windows XP Pro (at work - Dell 2.4GHz Celeron) and on OS X 10.3.x (at home - iBook G3 800). Both machines have 512MB of RAM minimum.

App wise... Outlook 2003 for Windows still sucks (using IMAP) and crashes 1 or 2 times a week (runs 24/7). Mail.app sucks for OS X too IMO, crashing at least 1 time a week (only gets used 1 or 2 times a day max). Any other application problems I have had for either platform have been from 3rd party.
 
my ibook has been running 24/7 for the last 2 years and has only crashed once when i was overclocking and only restarted because of updates.

even 10.4 is stable for me
 
virividox said:
i havent had a kernel panick on any of my machines, but iv have seen them on friends, im just very fortunate

I had them a lot on my iBook with cheap third-party memory. I learnt from my mistakes and upgraded my G4 tower with real Apple memory. It panics a lot less than the iBook did :)
 
My PC at work sometimes crashes several times a day, but sometimes goes day without. I have this pinned down to times when I am:
Running Autocad, Plotting to PDF, opening those for proofing in Reader, and importing those into Photoshop.

Most of the time it runs fine. I'm guessing its more a problem with the programs I'm running than with XP.
 
Nermal said:
I had them a lot on my iBook with cheap third-party memory. I learnt from my mistakes and upgraded my G4 tower with real Apple memory. It panics a lot less than the iBook did :)

crucial memory, cheap and good.

never had a problem with them.
 
dieselg4 said:
My PC at work sometimes crashes several times a day, but sometimes goes day without. I have this pinned down to times when I am:
Running Autocad, Plotting to PDF, opening those for proofing in Reader, and importing those into Photoshop.

Most of the time it runs fine. I'm guessing its more a problem with the programs I'm running than with XP.
Amateur hacks like AutoCAD, Acrobat, and Photoshop--what computer wouldn't crash?
 
Nermal said:
I had them a lot on my iBook with cheap third-party memory. I learnt from my mistakes and upgraded my G4 tower with real Apple memory. It panics a lot less than the iBook did :)

Try just putting a fresh install of OSX on the iBook. I bought an iBook G4 back around the beginning of the year. It was totally squirelly, locked up constantly. I did a fresh install and it's been fine since outside a few appliation crashes. I think the image that Apple puts down on them in the factory isn't quite what it should be.

Back to the original topic, I've seen one BSOD on XP in the last 3 years, bad network driver. I went to an older version of the driver and no problems. I have had a few kernal panics under OSX when waking from sleep. Overall XP and OSX seem about the same these days for Stability. Occasionally I have to kill a process and restart explorer/finder, but overall very stable.
 
My Current Uptimes.

Just so you guys know if you are interested in tracking your uptime you should check out the uptimes project website I have linked to above. It's quite nice, keeps track of your restarts and reasons for them. Also calculates your total uptime as well as your current uptime and CPU load. Good stuff.
 
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