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I am sorry, but basically what you are saying is that because its similar to the Dock Microsoft should be ashamed. There is nothing wrong with adopting a GUI element that WORKS BETTER, and just because it appears derivative of the OS X implementation, it does not mean that they have done a good job, and perhaps even improved on what Apple did.

Since I don't want a flame war, feel free to PM me and we will take this somewhere private so I can tell you(in incredibly impolite terms) just what I think of your "logic".
No offense but you need to calm down just a wee bit. I didn't think he was that testy in his last reply, imo.. no offense, really but that came off a bit harsh.

iParis. I see. I haven't tried Win7 yet - I four times in two weeks went to the download site and it doesn't load... (yeh, that'll make me want to jump in and buy it)
 
Clearly you haven't as the similarities between the two are superficial at best. Collapsing multiple instances of an application into 1 slot in the Taskbar is not new, it has been an option for quite a while now, XP does it, Vista does it, Windows 7 just does it better(I kept it off because until now the implementations have been absolutely terrible).

I am sorry, but basically what you are saying is that because its similar to the Dock Microsoft should be ashamed. There is nothing wrong with adopting a GUI element that WORKS BETTER, and just because it appears derivative of the OS X implementation, it does not mean that they have done a good job, and perhaps even improved on what Apple did.

Since I don't want a flame war, feel free to PM me and we will take this somewhere private so I can tell you(in incredibly impolite terms) just what I think of your "logic".

Ironically I mentioned that I know about the ability to enable grouping similary windows in the taskbar before I saw your reply to my post.

*must refrain from witty comeback*

Fixed

No offense but you need to calm down just a wee bit. I didn't think he was that testy in his last reply, imo.. no offense, really but that came off a bit harsh.
Yeah, I was not expecting that kind of reply.
iParis. I see. I haven't tried Win7 yet - I four times in two weeks went to the download site and it doesn't load... (yeh, that'll make me want to jump in and buy it)

I tried downloading it that way but I just kept having the same problem you did and eventually just had one of my friends bring over a burnt copy of Win7.
It may be because there are too many people trying to download it at once, although, I was never even able to get the download started.
 
No offense but you need to calm down just a wee bit. I didn't think he was that testy in his last reply, imo.. no offense, really but that came off a bit harsh.

Well then I will leave, no point getting myself banned just because half-baked logic frustrates me.
 
I'm surprised this thread is still going. Once again, feel free to keep ignoring me Denholm and iParis, but Windows 1 had a dock-like taskbar. This was in 1985. How is Microsoft copying Apple for an interface they had 15 years before?
 
Clearly you haven't as the similarities between the two are superficial at best. Collapsing multiple instances of an application into 1 slot in the Taskbar is not new, it has been an option for quite a while now, XP does it, Vista does it, Windows 7 just does it better(I kept it off because until now the implementations have been absolutely terrible).

Ironically I mentioned that I know about the ability to enable grouping similary windows in the taskbar before I saw your reply to my post.

And No1451 acknowledged that, but he said the similarities between the taskbar and Dock are superficial, and it's very true.

I think the OS X dock is quite lacking, and it really should take a few features from W7's new taskbar, as it seems to try and address its flaws, as well as the flaws in Vista.

And yeah.....No1451 should calm down. :rolleyes:

Well then I will leave, no point getting myself banned just because half-baked logic frustrates me.

You're right about the logic of that post, but calm down.

No1451 said:
@Melrose - Yeah it is strange behaviour isn't it? Thats why I am excited for the new Taskbar, it feels like the Dock and Taskbar mashed together to reach the middle ground.

Me too.


As a past Windows 7 Beta Tester I can say that it has potential but overall it's a clumsy implementation. There are lots of Beta Testers in the Microsoft forums that think just the same and other's who quite honestly detest it. But some, I admit, do like it. Good luck to them. Not my cuppa though.

Perhaps, but it's a beta that will take suggestions into consideration. If this was the final product, then we can bash the overall implementation. Until then, I guess we can only bash the new feature(s), their usefulness, etc. I think it has the potential to be far better than the Dock in OS X. The features and tools that make it better than OS X are present, but I think it'll take some tweaking to make it more useful.

The Ars article is right, as it points out that the Dock doesn't handle multiple windows of a single document at all (well, I guess you can right-click on the Dock icon), while handling minimized windows in the same way as Windows, but slightly worse. Windows had the opposite weakness of being a window switcher but not great for switching applications. It's also bad because it eventually evolved into a hodge-podge of ideas that tried to address EVERY flaw by doing nothing particularly well. It has shortcuts to the apps of your choice (like the Dock), all open and minimized windows, and all background and notification apps that don't close when you close the application's window. OS X has many of these things in the main menu-bar at the top of every screen (near the clock), but also on the Dock. I guess the Dock is also a hodge-podge of ideas that weren't well implemented either. :eek:
 
windows has always had a "dock" type thing hasn't it? :confused:

I've been launching applications from the taskbar for years. If anything Apple copied Windows on that one
 
Except that Windows 1 had a similar taskbar.:rolleyes:

Early versions of Windows had only a bare desktop (which you could not even put icons onto -- launcher icons only belonged in Program Manager starting with Windows 3.0), and when you minimized a working program, it would iconify onto the desktop. Do that a few times and it would look a bit like a row of dock icons, sure, but it was far from a dock.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/win101
 
Just from looking at the screenshots, it looks more like something from a Linux/Unix/Whatever Desktop Environment like KDE or Gnome to me.
 
That's quick launch. The new taskbar in 7 is different.

It's different because it suits you. If i want to launch an app with one click, in os x i can use the dock, in Windoew i can use quick launch. Whats the difference.
 
It's different because it suits you. If i want to launch an app with one click, in os x i can use the dock, in Windoew i can use quick launch. Whats the difference.

Kinda hard to explain. Use Windows 7 and you'll see.
Yes, quick launch and the new taskbar are very similar.
 
It's different because it suits you. If i want to launch an app with one click, in os x i can use the dock, in Windoew i can use quick launch. Whats the difference.

Kinda hard to explain. Use Windows 7 and you'll see.

Fluidedge was referring to Windows XP and Vista, not Windows 7. He said WinXP and Vista, both widely used today, can launch apps using one click.

He's right, and that's why he asked. The only thing the quick launch area doesn't do is keep track of which apps are already running.
 
The ability to launch programs from the taskbar is not new but some of the new features are.

Such as non-terrible application grouping, as was seen in Vista. Its adopting a more intuitive "touch it to go" kind of mentality, which is good because it requires less thinking about how to perform a task.


I really just hope they don't flub Win 7 like they did with Vista(not likely since the beta is far better than Vista SP1 lol).

Edit: I am chill now, I had some pork and some salad, my blood sugar is back where it belongs.
 
Such as non-terrible application grouping, as was seen in Vista. Its adopting a more intuitive "touch it to go" kind of mentality, which is good because it requires less thinking about how to perform a task.
One of thing I don't like about the Win7 dock is that the icons are big and you can't change the size.
I really just hope they don't flub Win 7 like they did with Vista(not likely since the beta is far better than Vista SP1 lol).
Another reason why that is unlikely to happen is because 7 is basically a "fixed" version of Vista.

Question, is there even a Vista SP2?
I know there's a beta out but I am assuming that's as far as it's gone.
 
I'd be interested to try the new Taskbar in Win7, really.

I remember being confused as junk with XP and ME (and 98... and 98se), but as I've read they made some changes. It would be good, at least for posterity's sake, to be able to try it out.

The funny thing is I don't have a problem at all with the Dock; Sometimes I have multiple documents open in multiple apps and I've never been confused or had trouble.

For me, I guess, coming from Windows in the first place, is I'm just so amped not to have any slag when switching apps that the faults of the Dock just fade into the background in comparison. My use of the Mac is always in comparison to Windows, so it's a bit biased.

iParis said:
Another reason why that is unlikely to happen is because 7 is basically a "fixed" version of Vista.
I've heard that elsewhere too. 7 is what Vista should have been, they said..
 
I'd be interested to try the new Taskbar in Win7, really.

I remember being confused as junk with XP and ME (and 98... and 98se), but as I've read they made some changes. It would be good, at least for posterity's sake, to be able to try it out.

The funny thing is I don't have a problem at all with the Dock; Sometimes I have multiple documents open in multiple apps and I've never been confused or had trouble.

For me, I guess, coming from Windows in the first place, is I'm just so amped not to have any slag when switching apps that the faults of the Dock just fade into the background in comparison. My use of the Mac is always in comparison to Windows, so it's a bit biased.

I've heard that elsewhere too. 7 is what Vista should have been, they said..

My views a most likely way biased, and I don't even own a Mac :)(), so no worries there.

Win7 is definitely worth trying out and if you're running Vista as your main OS (like me) then I would just upgrade. Although, I decided to have both but on split partitions.

And yeah, also Vista was way ahead of it's time due to the amount of hardware it takes up.
 
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