Wireless Charging Accessory Might Not Ship Until After New 2017 iPhones Launch

[subjonas]

So change your "habit" of "forgetting to charge overnight" and "always keeping it topped up".

Problem solved.

When a charger is next to me, I should have specified. Yeah I should probably get a charger next to my bed. The thing is I'm trying to not keep my phone next to my bed but end up doing so anyway. But that's another topic.

But still doesn't solve that I like to keep it topped. Especially at work I use it to stream music and video all day while I'm working so I want to keep it charging. Also still doesn't solve getting in and out of my car many times a day and having to plug into/out of my stereo every time. Maybe we just have different lives and use our phones differently?

 

[MrX8503]

When a charger is next to me, I should have specified. Yeah I should probably get a charger next to my bed. The thing is I'm trying to not keep my phone next to my bed but end up doing so anyway. But that's another topic.

But still doesn't solve that I like to keep it topped. Especially at work I use it to stream music and video all day while I'm working so I want to keep it charging. Also still doesn't solve getting in and out of my car many times a day and having to plug into/out of my stereo every time. Maybe we just have different lives and use our phones differently?

At work I have an iPhone dock under my display, with the USB charge cable going into the monitor. I dock my phone on there and keeps it upright in front of me.

 

[Stefan johansson]

I just don't get what your problem is,but there are third party hardware that works fine. My mom use wireless charging for her "Fred Flintstone" iPhone 5,works great for her. Think she got the charging system (phone case and dock) from the nearby IKEA store.

 

[WRChris]

No, you just have to be within a few dozen feet of the LTE tower to get signal. Oh wait, that’s Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi must not be wireless either since its range doesn’t even compare to LTE just like inductive charging doesn’t compare to Wi-Fi or LTE.

Don't seem to understand how signals are transmitted, huh? I guess you have to sit your phone on top of the wifi router to get a signal?

If so, it's time for a new router.

 

[Channan]

Don't seem to understand how signals are transmitted, huh? I guess you have to sit your phone on top of the wifi router to get a signal?

If so, it's time for a new router.

You don't seem to understand how inductive charging works. Your phone doesn't need to make contact with the charging pad. The range is just so small that it's the only realistic option. You could very well hold your phone a mm or two above the pad and it will charge. No contact and no wires.

So again, the difference is simply range. It's every bit as wireless as Wi-Fi or cellular.

 

[WRChris]

You don't seem to understand how inductive charging works. Your phone doesn't need to make contact with the charging pad. The range is just so small that it's the only realistic option. You could very well hold your phone a mm or two above the pad and it will charge. No contact and no wires.

So again, the difference is simply range. It's every bit as wireless as Wi-Fi or cellular.

Yeah, simply range, smh. You have compared it to wifi (twice) and lte, you have no clue, lol. Hold your phone 1mm away and then it's wireless, just useless. Is it even humanly possible to hold the device that close and get a full charge? Nope, so your claim means nothing, other than see, I'm technically correct(but not in practice).

I use inductive charging everyday with my Watch. You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Why even use this "wireless" charging if it's still tethered to a pad?. Just another fixed position charging solution when a cable is faster and just as easy to use.

I can see this is all about 1 single technicality for you. I sure hope Apple doesn't add cost to the iPhone just to appease the 1 percent who think this is useful.

 

[Channan]

Yeah, simply range, smh. You have compared it to wifi (twice) and lte, you have no clue, lol. Hold your phone 1mm away and then it's wireless, just useless. Is it even humanly possible to hold the device that close and get a full charge? Nope, so your claim means nothing, other than see, I'm technically correct(but not in practice).

I use inductive charging everyday with my Watch. You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Why even use this "wireless" charging if it's still tethered to a pad?. Just another fixed position charging solution when a cable is faster and just as easy to use.

I can see this is all about 1 single technicality for you. I sure hope Apple doesn't add cost to the iPhone just to appease the 1 percent who think this is useful.

Maybe look up the definition of "wireless" so there would be nothing to argue about. I'm not just technically correct. I am correct and you're wrong. There are no wires, hence "wireless."

It really doesn't matter what your opinion is on the usefulness of it. It's wireless, plain and simple.

 

[torana355]

. Just another fixed position charging solution when a cable is faster and just as easy to use.

I can see this is all about 1 single technicality for you. I sure hope Apple doesn't add cost to the iPhone just to appease the 1 percent who think this is useful.

I can tell you the number is larger then 1 percent. Call it what you want but placing a phone on a pad is easier then plugging the cable in each time. So many times ive woken up and gone to pickup my phone and forgotten its plugged in and almost dropped the damn thing. There are plenty of people using Inductive charging that find it useful. The only people i see that don't agree are Apple users. Its the whole 4" screen is the perfect size scenario again and we all know how that worked out.

 

[McCool71]

Just another fixed position charging solution when a cable is faster and just as easy to use.

Plugging in (and unplugging...) a cable is faster than just plopping a phone down on the table? I beg to differ.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

Apple makes no claims. It has been proven to be the same tech.
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...-compliant-with-qi-wireless-charging-standard

It is compliant to the standard. But excisting qi chargers that where around when the first apple watch was released, did not fit.

I'm actually sceptical that it will be Qi based as Apple have an aversion to standards.

Every other manufacturer that has adopted Qi, however, have released charging accessories which work with any Qi enabled phone, which is exactly how it should be.

That's the whole point of having a standard in the first place.

That and the fact that companies can work together to improve the standard over time.

 

[ValO]

I'm actually sceptical that it will be Qi based as Apple have an aversion to standards.

Every other manufacturer that has adopted Qi, however, have released charging accessories which work with any Qi enabled phone, which is exactly how it should be.

That's the whole point of having a standard in the first place.

That and the fact that companies can work together to improve the standard over time.

If you read correctly, i am also thinking the same thing. But it will use the same tech.
It will use Qi technique , like the apple watch did, but it also won' t "fit" , like the apple watch did.....

 

[Cigsm]

The person I quoted said AirPods

Were talking about the cost of Apple's wireless charging. A random search on Google gives you a wireless charging pad priced at $12.99. Though my gut feeling is Apple will probably price their wireless charging solution higher than that.
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Charging-Galaxy-Devices/dp/B00Y839YMU

 

[Cigsm]

"And that's how a lot of people are going now"

Well we know that's not true as PC sales decline and macs rise

Apple have now gone onto form over function. This is the complete opposite of what they became after Jobs left. It's now a case of grab it now before they remove it from the next model and charge more for the privilege. Here is an example of their twisted philosophy. My daughter is selling her 2014 MacBook Pro to me after hardly using it since purchase. If it had been the latest version then there is no way Idve gone for it because I will never go down the dongle route. Gimmicks like the TouchBar are just that and things like USB ports and HDMI are functional. Not fashionable. Chances are when my iMac dies it'll be a PC. And when this MacBook goes it'll be a Surface. And that's how a lot of people are going now. The bad guys used to be Windows computers with their inbuilt incompatibility. Now that Windows 10 is a really good OS and Microsoft are the new market leaders. The worm really has turned for Apple who are rehashing old tech and thinning stuff instead of thinking stuff. People aren't waiting for Apple to catch up any more because they don't have to. The competition IS very real now and as I still predict 2017 is the make or break year for Apple. Charity dinners and right-on projects only cut it so far before folks will be asking what else they can get for the same cash ... or less.

 

[BruceEBonus]

"And that's how a lot of people are going now"

Well we know that's not true as PC sales decline and macs rise

Ha ha. I love that story.

Two months to go ...... make or break. Will Apples luck hold out.. 2017 is their year. No more excuses.

 

[admob71]

I agree 100%. I don't understand the fascination with "wireless" charging. It is actually less convenient than just plugging it in. Just like you said, if it is plugged in you can still pick it up to use it if needed.

Is this for real? So placing a phone down on the table onto a thin charging plate is more hassle than plugging it in? Lol you couldn't make this up... you know that your phone doesn't have to be plugged in to use don't you..

 

[geoff5093]

You've allowed yourself some wiggle room there haven’t you? Yes, information is transmitted without contact, AT NO POINT IS ENERGY TRANSMITTED OVER LTE, jeez get over it.....

Yes, it is. LTE is transmitted as electromagnetic waves. The antennas pick up electrical signals and converts this into usable data from the receiver. The amount of power you are receiving though is thousandths to hundreds of thousandths of a mW.

OK Mr science, middle name pedantic, I give up. I was merely pointing out that you can't charge, e.g. deliver enough electricity to charge an iPhone over LTE. I'm sure there are all-sorts of theoretical possibilities that we will all be wowed by in the future.

Perhaps I'm short-sighted, I'm just looking to September.

Correct, because as I said earlier the power that hits the antennas are so minimal they'd never be able to be used to power the device.

Energy, not electricity
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Here's a fun article, in fact it proves you to be 100% correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer
Looking forward to those 4 inch to (at best) six inch wireless charging methods!

I don't know what you mean by "energy, not electricity"... What do you think RF energy is?
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You don't seem to understand how inductive charging works. Your phone doesn't need to make contact with the charging pad. The range is just so small that it's the only realistic option. You could very well hold your phone a mm or two above the pad and it will charge. No contact and no wires.

So again, the difference is simply range. It's every bit as wireless as Wi-Fi or cellular.

Right, and the reason the range is so much more limited is because the power the receiver needs to gets is millions of times more than what a WiFi or cellular antenna needs. If you want a dozen foot range, the transmitter would need to output an insane amount of power.

Yeah, simply range, smh. You have compared it to wifi (twice) and lte, you have no clue, lol. Hold your phone 1mm away and then it's wireless, just useless. Is it even humanly possible to hold the device that close and get a full charge? Nope, so your claim means nothing, other than see, I'm technically correct(but not in practice).

I use inductive charging everyday with my Watch. You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Why even use this "wireless" charging if it's still tethered to a pad?. Just another fixed position charging solution when a cable is faster and just as easy to use.

I can see this is all about 1 single technicality for you. I sure hope Apple doesn't add cost to the iPhone just to appease the 1 percent who think this is useful.

You are proving yourself wrong in your own post. Just because the range isn't up to what you consider ideal, doesn't mean it's not wireless. Do you or do you not have the ability to charge your phone without plugging it in? If yes, then the definition "wireless" is correct. That term is only used for the end device, not for the rest of the infrastructure making that wireless connection possible.

 

[Macman08]

This is not wireless charging, it is inductive charging and it still has wires. Stop calling it wireless.

With that logic, wifi has wires going to it too. Come to think of it, so do cellular towers. I don't know what to believe anymore. Sad!

 

[EdBuk]

(Emphasis added)

Nobody is saying that the mythical wireless charging with WiFi range wouldn't be game changing. If "game changing" is the adjective you want to use to distinguish between it and inductive, I don't think anyone would have grounds to disagree. At worst, they may hold a different opinion.

What people are pointing out is that "wireless" is the wrong adjective to use to distinguish between inductive and WiFi range charging. It is just objectively false that one is wireless and the other is not. Both are either wireless, or not, by whatever definition you use involving actual wires.

And the "WiFi" analogy everyone keeps using as the reference point is also broken. WiFi has a range of 100m or so line of sight. To get 5W of charging power at 100m, you need something like 12MW EIRP from the transmitter. The typical household circuit will trip at a couple kilowatts.

Power won't transmit like WiFi. That's not what it takes to be wireless.

Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail (with a friendly manner). Makes complete sense.

 

[wirelesspeakersss]

True and time consuming