iPhone X Wireless Charging should be Optional - 6 Plus Has best battery

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Wyckham, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. Wyckham macrumors regular

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    I hope we can have iphones with the option of NO wireless charging. I dont want or use it. I would prefer if they made a stronger phone and used the space for a bigger battery. Ever since 6 Plus the battery has gotten smaller every year. Apple flout its because iOS & new hardware is more effecient now. Well great, just imagine how much better the battery life in 8Plus would be with same since or bigger battery than 6 Plus

    Also iphone Plus models eat iphone X for breakfast in battery - I suppose Apple could not put a bigger battery in Iphone 8 as it would be too much better than the X

    I have iPhone 8 Plus and a 4 year old 6 plus. Use both for Pokemon Go. Checked battery yesterday and iphone 8 plus is still at 100% capacity and the 6 Plus is at 91% which is quite surprising as I have battered with with Pokemon Go which is a battery eater over a 2 year period.

    This morning took both phones off charge, both at 100%. Took a 40 minute trip into work. Both phones were at 92% remaining. I noticed the 6 Plus was as good if not better than my 6s plus is Pokemon Go.

    I wish wireless stupid charging could be taken out of 8 Plus and give me back the 6 Plus battery size.

    iphone 6 Plus original battery size: 2915 mAh
    iphone 8 Plus original battery size: 2691 mAh

    FECK YOU APPLE!
     
  2. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    My x gets leaps and bounds better battery life than my 6 plus with a brand new Apple installed battery. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ your mileage may vary.
     
  3. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    Well I only ever installed Pokemon go on the 6 Plus as its technically a work phone.

    The 8 Plus is better than Iphone X battery (iphone X notably is considered the worst battery of this gen of iPhone for Pokemon Go)

    Take away wireless charging and increase battery size so that you dont need to stupid slow wireless charging!
     
  4. -Gonzo- macrumors 6502

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    Or they could just keep the useful wireless charging and get rid of the stupid Pokémon Go instead
     
  5. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    I have walked 4000KM because of Pokemon Go where I would have normally been sitting on my a$$ - call it stupid all you want but I went from sitting in all the time to going out walking with up to 10 locals I never knew before Pokemon Go.
     
  6. anitak1982 macrumors 6502

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    I have an ipx and you don't have to wireless charge it. It plugs up just fine. No problems with battery life either
     
  7. -Gonzo- macrumors 6502

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    Only jesting, Good on ya if it’s getting you out and about.
    Removing wireless charging isn’t the answer, I find my 8 plus battery lasts a hell of a lot longer than my 6s plus did.
    Pokemon Go is definitely a battery killer no matter what phone you use and a battery pack is always recommended.
     
  8. noobinator macrumors 603

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    It is entirely optional on the 8, 8 Plus, and X.
     
  9. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    So I believe you have some misconception that the Qi charger inside the iPhone is taking up some massive amount of space. In fact the Qi Charger is nearly paper thin... As iFix it described it...

    Source: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+8+Teardown/97481

    I can't tell you exactly how much potential mAh could be gained by using this space for extended battery, but I am pretty sure it's less capacity than that found inside an Apple Watch (205mAh.) Where an iPhone 8 Plus has 2,675mAh... This additional space couldn't be more than an additional 50mAh... Assuming Apple could/would even take advantage of that space as creating a cell to fit that space would be needlessly expensive for little gain

    Remember these Terraced batteries were a big deal in 2015 When they were introduced with the MacBook Pro... and even then, these layers are not thin enough to take advantage of a space no thicker than black electrical tape...

    source: https://www.wired.com/2015/03/apples-new-battery-tech/

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    Bottom line: Removing the Qi Charger wouldn't get you any more Pokemon Go time. Those of us who DO appreciate wireless charging don't have to sacrifice anything to make you happy.
     
  10. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    Extra battery does not sell as well on an Apple Keynote; as much as wireless charging, where Apple can trot out their bald guy to gloat how he exquisitely precision machined the induction pads from the tears of a thousand tortured unicorns.
     
  11. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    If that is the case and with the removal of the headphone jack creating more "space" why has the battery reduced by such a large amount from 8 Plus to 6 Plus.... ?
     
  12. willmtaylor macrumors G3

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    “Removing the headphone jack enabled Apple to increase the size of the 4.7-inch iPhone 7 battery by 14%, ultimately providing users with an extra two hours of battery life.” According to SVP of Hardware Engineering
     
  13. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    The plus battery got smaller every year from 6 plus.... even since headphone jack removal.... Why ??
     
  14. IowaLynn macrumors 65816

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    Buy Huawei, they have 4000 mHa if that’s #1
    Carry a small 10,000 mHa power brick.
    Battery life is low on my list of musts.

    Apple seems to use small batteries, just as they are penny pinchers on RAM.
     
  15. willmtaylor macrumors G3

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    I’d rather have a smaller battery and not be tracked by the Chinese government. :)
     
  16. JPack macrumors 68040

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    Wireless charging and Taptic Engine is to blame.

    Using glass instead of aluminum on the back requires thicker material. To maintain overall thickness of the iPhone, the battery has fewer sheets of electrodes.

    The Taptic Engine replaces the vibrator with a rectangular block. This reduces the volume of the internal cavity.

    iPhone 7 Plus is the best compromise between battery capacity and features.

    • iPhone 6 Plus: 11.28 Whr
    • iPhone 6s Plus: 10.61 Whr
    • iPhone 7 Plus: 11.1 Whr
    • iPhone 8 Plus: 10.28 Whr
     
  17. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    This is a very interesting response and I had not considered taptic. I hear phones at work vibrate like moron phones and so would never go back its almost an insulting vibrate vs the non audible 8 Plus. Now you have me thinking, 3D touch is also something i like a lot when scrolling over the keyboard but it is something I could do without for more battery.

    Also it makes so much sense now that 7 Plus is the best buy if you dont care about wireless charging...
     
  18. sean000 macrumors 68000

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    Get yourself a $20 wireless charger for your desk at work. I have an Anker 5W charger that is also a stand that keeps my iPhone X at an angle so it is easier to read and unlock with FaceID. I was one of those people who wasn't excited at all about wireless charging until I tried it. Now I find it incredibly convenient to plop my phone onto the charging stand. Honestly it doesn't need to be topped off during the day though. I don't play games or watch video much on my iPhone. I do those things on my iPad, but my iPhone X is mostly for mobile communication and listening to podcasts, music, and news while I'm walking to and from work. I moved the wireless charger to my nightstand at home and now i have a $5 stand at my desk. I always have at least 25% battery left at the end of the day.

    While iPhones can certainly play games, and AR games like Pokemon Go are really cool, they are going to tax the battery more than typical use. Wireless charging is a feature that most consumers value, so I would expect it to be built into all future iPhone models except for perhaps less expensive entry level models. Don't underestimate the convenience of wireless charging as a way to top your iPhone off after gaming. Another option is to carry around a portable charger, but personally I'd just get a charging stand for your desk.
     
  19. Wyckham thread starter macrumors regular

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    I have a battery pack but I have two phones, its uncomfortable to go walking with so many things in pocket. Can get 4ish hours out of both plus phones with Pokemon Go but I thought we might get better battery after so many years :) I prefer to go walking for more than 4 hours and without the load of a battery pack. In fairness iPhones are better than all my local friends Androinds even with their One Plus 4000+ mAh batterys.... I just hooped Iphone would improve more :)... I also dont like cases on hpones so cannot use a battery charge case :S
     
  20. jaybar macrumors 6502a

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    It’s kind of sad how myopic and selfish we can be. For those with vision or other coordination issues, wireless charging is an important new feature. Depending on one’s disability, placing the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand, can be far easier than using a cable, particularly in dimly lighted rooms or non-conducive furniture layouts. Just because a feature may not appeal to someone, might not mean it is not vital for someone else. Let’s look beyond our immediate selves, when we suggest a feature be removed.
     
  21. now i see it macrumors 68030

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    Way back when, all the way back to the first iPhone, a specification HAD to be formalized as to what a reasonable battery lifespan should be. An hour? Obviously not. 6 hours? Obviously not. A normal work day? Now that sounds reasonable.

    So the battery capacity goal for the phones was to be able to use it (lightly) for a typical day on a single charge with a good battery.

    The thing about deciding how big a battery should be is where do you draw the line? You've got to stop somewhere- as we all know that even strapping another 3000 mAh battery pack to the phone won't get you through the whole day if you're using the phone hard with full brightness.

    So Apple had to draw the line somewhere- and they drew it for one day of use. Reasonable enough.

    Now when the CPUs get more efficient, the phone doesn't suck as much power and doesn't need as big of a battery to make it through the day. So the battery capacity is matched to the efficiency of the device, with the "day use" specification governing its maximum necessary size.

    iPhones are cramped inside. If a battery can be shrunk down in size to meet the day use spec, other components can be added inside the phone. It's all an engineering compromise. No battery really will be big enough. If it was, the phone would be heavy as a brick.
     
  22. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    And apple just made the phone thicker... The 7 plus was 7.3 mm thick where the iPhone 8 Plus is 7.5 mm thick. That pretty much accounts for any additional thickness from the glass back and the addition of a Qi charger. I'm certain the internal volume is the same.
     
  23. JPack macrumors 68040

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    The 3D Touch layer adds 0.5mm which is quite bit in terms of overall thickness.

    I think this one of the reasons why Apple is leaving out 3D Touch on the 6.1" LCD model. Not only does it reduce manufacturing complexity, it allows for a bigger battery.
     
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    Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    3D touch is accomplished with the addition of a thin film behind the screen. i don't believe it ads anything measurable to the thickness of the phone or the space used internally.
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    Do you have a soutane for that?
     
  25. The Game 161 macrumors P6

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    My iphone x battery life is alot better than my previous phones which were plus models..

    love wireless charging and wouldn't go to a phone without it
     

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