Hello all, we all know, the Mac Pro hardware is outdated. And we know, the price for this outdated computer is much to high. We know, Thunderbolt 2 is death. As today, many Mac sites and blogs recommendation is "not buy". Nevertheless, for my personal needs the power accepable. I like different port options to plug in different devices. I want to stay with 10.9. No dependencies to newest software. I like the form factor of the 2013 MacPro. iMac for me is absolutely a nogo, aside I already have a nice Apple display. But what I need is a stable computer and my doubts are the known GPU problems. Apple has a (not official) repair program for machines build around April 2015. But many user report problems before and after this time frame. Nobody is sure, what the problem really is. Software related, hardware related, design concept failure? Apple changes GPUs, sometimes twice, but often without success. How often do they have success? A internet petition is made to Apple, to ask to clear up the problems. Around 400 users have signed this petition. Maybe, some other users still dont know that they also have problems, or are ignoring them. A actual Consumer Reports test criticized the new MacBook Pro late 2016. Apple will now work together with CR to investigate the problems. But Apple dont want to investigate the Mac Pro problems! Maybe CR should test the Mac Pro, to get Apple to move? Phil? As far as I see, Apple does not much to investigate problems for Apples most expensive 3000+ dollar “Pro”-computer selling to his customers. Additionally with this doubts, one needs an Apple care protection plan for 250 dollars, too. What we all dont know, is this problem related to few cases, say 500 cases of 50000 computers sold? We dont know, how many Mac Pros Apple has sold. 10000, 50000? Or if this problem is really fixed? Intesting, what do you think, in relation to the known technical problems only, is it still recommendable and wise to buy an actual Mac Pro late 2013? Or better not, to avoid surprises, traveling between home and Apple Service, and angry hours?