With a SandForce controller, the OSX TRIM support is not needed?

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  1. AppleMacFinder macrumors 6502a

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    Your answer might affect my decision about the purchase of
    OCZ Deneva 50Gb SSD drive with SF-2500/SF-2600 controller
    when it comes out (early 2011).
     
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  3. AppleMacFinder thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I want to know :
    WITHOUT TRIM support and with this so-called "built-in TRIM"
    will the performance remain the same as in case :
    WITH TRIM support and with this so-called "built-in TRIM".

    It will remain the same only if so-called "built-in TRIM" is better than original TRIM.

    So, the final question is:
    Is so-called "built-in TRIM" better than original TRIM ?
     
  4. AppleMacFinder thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I wanted to say:

    Is "built-in TRIM" of a SandForce controller provides
    an equal or broader amount of features than the original one?
     
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  6. Mikey7c8 macrumors regular

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    Worth a read:

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4010/kingston-ssdnow-v-plus-100-review

    Zak version: It re-orders saved data on every write, thus largely negating the need for trim. The article suggests that that may lead to premature usage of the read/write cycles of the drive - i.e. don't expect it to last longer than the warranty period.
     
  7. perfectshadows macrumors member

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    my SSD is going to be my only HDD as opti-bay conversion will remove my applecare and warrenty :(

    so I hope it can stand holding music files and not being slowed down

    OCZ vertex 2E 240GB
     
  8. AppleMacFinder thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I thought you can replace the hard drive of MBP without voiding the Apple's warranty. :confused:
     
  9. perfectshadows macrumors member

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    hard drive u can replace that doesn void warrenty

    I was going to remove the disc drive and convert it to an extra hard drive thats not allowed they told me
     
  10. perfectshadows macrumors member

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    as I am upgrading to a sole SSD am i better off having:

    OCZ vertex 2E 240gb

    or

    Kingston SSDNOW v+100


    the kingston has an aggressive garbage collection in the firmware and the ocz uses sandforce and we all know how good that is my concern is as its my only drive it will have music, pictures, films from itunes, sync with iphone and ipad.

    am I beter of getting the kingston with the aggressive garbage collection to maintain performance, or getting the OCZ with sandforce?
     
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    SF drives are proven to keep their performance (at least what I've heard) so I would get one instead of the Kingston.
     
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  13. SudoSSD macrumors newbie

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    Get the OCZ drive, it's better in every way.
    Faster, newer technology, better support.

    The Kingston drives are all "budget" SSD's. Other than the 40GB one, are based on "1st Generation" SSD controllers. These had slow down issues, which made them slower than hard drives. Yes, they fixed this issue by increasing the cache, but it is still is a slower SSD.
     
  14. zero85ZEN macrumors regular

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    Just keep your parts and if you have to take it in for warranty put it back into stock configuration before you go. They will have no way of knowing you did anything if you are careful.
     
  15. perfectshadows macrumors member

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    I'm not the careful type things break so I will just leave it in lol
     
  16. kfscoll macrumors 65816

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    Just get an OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 240GB SSD. They're Sandforce-based drives, pricing is competitive (and just recently dropped ~10%), and you'll get better Mac-specific support from OWC than any other vendor. And no, I'm not a shill, but I did buy an OWC SSD about three weeks ago for $600 (and now the price is $540).
     
  17. deeddawg macrumors 604

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    Fair enough on the Mac specific support, but $540 vs $450 for an OCZ Vertex 2 240GB at Amazon is still a $90 difference. OWC stuff gets lots of great reviews here, but is it $90 better than the OCZ? I'm not sure.
     
  18. mongoos150 macrumors 6502a

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    Also trying to figure this out - what's the consensus? OCZ vs OWC, I'm inclined to spend $90 less if everything else is the same...
     
  19. kfscoll macrumors 65816

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    I didn't realize the OCZ was that cheap at Amazon. Especially given Amazon's awesome return policy, I'd be inclined to get the OCZ if I were you. I know for sure that that OCZ wasn't that cheap a few weeks ago when I bought my OWC drive because I actually ordered a Corsair F240 (the cheapest SandForce 240GB Amazon had at the time) for around $600 and returned it when I got the OWC.

    Put another way...my OWC drive is great, but had that OCZ drive been available at the time for $450, I'd have gone with that one. I guess I jumped just a little too early!
     

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