With how well the M1 is performing, are Intel Macs just DOA at this point?

[Ploki]

I sold my 13" i5/16/512 a week after M1 were announced.
I'm gonna sell my Mini i7 as soon as i can confirm that the M1 13" can replace it, and wait for a beefier Mini Pro in 2021.

There's no way i'd buy a new Intel Mac today.
My Thunderbolt RME is already M1 ready so i don't think there'll be a lot of issues

 

[Ploki]

I bought a 16" 64GB, 2TB SSD, 5600M in September as well.

I love it! I freelance and it's my only machine. Having upgraded from a 16gb 13" machine (integrated graphics), this 16" blows it away.

I'm so happy with this 16"mbp that I have no feeling of regret or "what if apple releases something better in 12 months?" questions. AT THE SAME TIME, I'm also really looking forward to seeing Apple's GPU solution to their chips. I'm happy with my current machine and also looking forward to Apple continuing to innovate.

Having spent $4200 on this machine (edu discount, zero taxes in NH), I feel I got a decent deal. And I hope to use it for at least 3 years, hopefully 4 (depends on how fast things advance by then). Well worth it to me if that's the case. I'm not worried what I'll be able to sell it for, as this machine helps me make money and I'm using it now. There isn't even a 16" ARM option. There isn't even an ARM computer with better graphics. There isn't even an ARM computer with as much memory.

Be careful not to get too caught up in Apple's marketing (Apple is really good at it). Although if the battery life is important for your workflow that's a solid reason to get it.

If you're trying to stay ahead on depreciation... honestly those 13" M1 machines are going to look old and lose just as much exponential value when the newly designed form factors come out. The average consumer doesn't know what intel i9s or M1s are. But the shiny new design is what will make the "old" laptops depreciate.

Unless you are in the market for a new laptop now, wait until the new designs come out. But I wouldnt sell what you currently have just because of M1 envy or trying to stay ahead of intel values dropping.

That's my take on it.

I wasn't in the market for a new laptop, but i sold mine anyway. I like the current design, but M1 simply blows both my 13" and my Mini away in every possible aspect - even with ports, it's got two controllers just like every other Mac sans Mac Pro.
It's not M1 "envy", but M1 can replace two of my intel macs in one go and perform better than each of them.

I can only imagine what 16" is gonna do when it comes out, but that's when i'm gonna wait for a beefier desktop, M1 has enough juice for my lap-toping needs.

 

[ggibson913]

I did the same thing, I needed a new laptop and purchased the 2020 13 Inch Macbook Pro with the Intel Processor. I expect to get a decent life during the presentation Tim Cook stated that Intel Processor Macs will be supported for 'years to come' that usually doesn't mean just two years. I figure worst case scenario, three years life and worse worse case scenario, I can install Windows on my Mac with Boot Camp and it will make a fine Windows machine which again will last for a few years to come. I am not worried, a 2020 processor will be good for at least five years whether Windows or Mac.

 

[Maxwells_Equations]

I would argue that the 5600M equipped MBP will not lose much resale. Not until silicon graphical capability supersedes and and also concurrently windows is able to run natively,

I think the market for those who seek a 5600M who want to utilize bootcamp will remain. I could be wrong....

If you have a 5300 or 5500m MBP then I would agree and emphasize to get out of it now unless you are planning on keeping it until it breaks.

 

[Ploki]

I would argue that the 5600M equipped MBP will not lose much resale. Not until silicon graphical capability supersedes and and also concurrently windows is able to run natively,

I think the market for those who seek a 5600M who want to utilize bootcamp will remain. I could be wrong....

If you have a 5300 or 5500m MBP then I would agree and emphasize to get out of it now unless you are planning on keeping it until it breaks.

If the M1 is already at 55% capacity of the 5600M (and the M1 Air costs as much as the 5600M option ALONE), i imagine the next iteration is going to wreck that.

Also, someone tested Windows on M1 (because there are ARM builds for the surface pro) and it absolutely floors it.

 

[Maxwells_Equations]

If the M1 is already at 55% capacity of the 5600M (and the M1 Air costs as much as the 5600M option ALONE), i imagine the next iteration is going to wreck that.

Also, someone tested Windows on M1 (because there are ARM builds for the surface pro) and it absolutely floors it.

will you be quiet...I have a maxed out 5600M and I am trying to keep my composure 😂

It is also a bit more complicated for my case and others with an XDR Display. The M1 does not allow SwitchRESX which means you are stuck with very little resolutions over the XDR.

I also wonder how well the M1 air will even drive an XDR.

 

[Chevysales]

I just spent $4k in September, on a 16" MBP, i9 with 32GB and 5600m and I'm concerned that this device will just tank in value when the M1 or M2 take fully over. I'm debating if I should ask Apple to return or sell this machine before they become obsolete. I thought it was good idea to max out the last intel MBP given that it might retain it's value since it can run Bootcamp etc... but I just feel like maybe I overspent on a machine that will easily be decimated in stats by a cheaper computer in a years time.

Also, yes, I know I can use this computer and it'll be a great machine and I'm not that worried about the value, but I am wondering if maybe I should wait and pick up the M1 / M2 16" when it comes out and will decimate this machine.

Just wondering if people think the Intel Mac's wont have a market later on.

Who buys something like a computer based on "used market" knowing full well it gets updated often to begin with?
I bought the same 16" 2.4/32gb/5600-8gb/2Tb and no matter what the market is will likely dump it in 2-3 years max.

Contrary to popular belief among fans of Apple (us) intel chipset isn't DOA in our current machines nor is its demise coming anytime in the immediate future. At least until you see each and every large user based piece of software and/or hardware to be as widely adopted/adapted as current market.

Likely by late Gen 2 or Gen 3 of the M1 chip. I base this on just what Ive read nothing more.

Unless one bought base model we all spent upwards of lower $4k for our machine and its no different than a car.. don't buy it as an investment cause it isn't and never was intended as such.

 

[Maxwells_Equations]

It is also entirely possible that the net loss would be more selling your 16" MBP now, to turn around and purchase an M1 now to act as a placeholder until the 16's come out....because then you have to sell the M1. So now you are incurring a loss on the 16" and the M1.

Food for thought.

 

[cycling_pete]

It's hard to imagine Apple releasing a "performance" version of the 16inch AS MBP that doesn't at least go head-to-head with the 5600m in terms of gpu performance. I just think the optics of having a gpu "downgrade" by switching to AS would be terrible and confusing to users. Apple would rather wait than release something like this.

Whether Apple actually has the capability of matching the 5600m is an open question, and I don't pretend to know the answer to this, but it seems at least within the realm of possibility that they could pack in 16 M1 gpus cores into the 16in model being released in 2021.

As with all tech in this space, there's always something better around the corner and a bit of FOMO associated with that. And I agree with the post above that no one should buy a computer for its resale value. But I do think that when the new 16inch AS MBPs are released, there's going to be a bit more buyer's remorse than usual among the 2019 intel 16inch users. The intel mac will still run great, nothing about the AS release will change that. But with the cpu performance, anticipated design change, battery life, mini-led, and (possible) gpu performance to boot... most intel 16inch users are going to be itching to upgrade. And that's probably been Apple's plan all along.

 

[Maxwells_Equations]

I would also be more willing to toss the 5600M if I knew my XDR would run well on an M1 air....feedback has been mixed.

 

[kilihn]

I'm in the market and am thinking to purchase a refurbished 16" 32GB 5600 for 4300€ because I'll need some apps that only run in Windows like TIA Portal and factory io (Then I'll post a question to the M1 owners relating that). What is worryng me is the leak a weeks ago that says that the new MBP with new form factor will come with both processors, Intel and AS. If that models will arrive in march I can wait but no more. The problem is that if I wait till march and apple do not release that models I will be in the same case because we will be at3 months to WWDC. I'm so tired to think about what to do because is not little money

I feel the same exact way friend, the money we drop for these devices is not cheap

 

[leeds utd fc]

I'm wondering how fast Adobe programs like Photoshop and Illustrator will run on the M1 compared to Intel chips. Also, how fast Adobe will launch native apps for M1...

I use Photoshop Elements (I’m only an amateur photographer!) but I hope that Adobe gets up to speed soon. I’ve just ordered a new MacBook Pro and I’d like to edit my photos on my new machine.

 

[deeddawg]

I use Photoshop Elements (I’m only an amateur photographer!) but I hope that Adobe gets up to speed soon. I’ve just ordered a new MacBook Pro and I’d like to edit my photos on my new machine.

Both legacy Lightroom Classic and Photoshop seem to work just fine under Rosetta. They've been good with everything I've tried. I'd anticipate PSE would be as well.

As for native versions, dunno about PSE but for PS/LR:

• Native Lightroom (CC) is already out.
• Native Photoshop has an available beta
• They've stated native Lightroom Classic will be released in 2021

 

[cycling_pete]

Just to clarify some earlier posts from others -- I think it's very unlikely that Apple will EVER release another Intel based computer. Sites or twitter accounts saying otherwise seem like pure speculation (e.g. the 16inch 10th gen intel that was "supposed" to be released) or rely on a misinterpretation of one of L0vetodream's twitter posts.

 

[widEyed]

Some mac users dont seem to appreciate this fact, that many apps are not available on MacOS or if they are they are very inferior [I am looking at you Rhino......]

yep Rhino is slow and when I was playing around in it a full version (approx. two years) behind the windows version.

 

[s66]

For a true mac user: the M1's family of machines are the only way forward.

For those wanting to run the non-arm windows natively (either permanently or temporary), or even just virtually: the Intel macs are their only path to use Apple hardware (for the time being at least).

With the M1, Apple is clearly and not unexpectedly betting on those of us who fully buy in into the entire Apple ecosystem or at least the macOS one. Those wanting to keep having stuff like bootcamp should have gotten the message by now that the shiny Apple hardware isn't going to keep on coming for them in a few years anymore.

Will the performance gap between the Apple Silicon family and the Intel/AMD offers entice those seeking a low heat high performance machine ? Only time will tell... but it will involve weaning people off of windows. It's possible but there are very vocal holdouts as well.

 

[ght56]

To add there is a lot of uncertainty whether or not the 16" silicon MBP's will be able to supersede the 5600M the first time around.

This is something I've wondered about. Topping the 5600M, especially if the 16-inch is going to only use a single performance configuration, and even more so if Apple wants to exceed previous offerings in the spectacular style that they did with the M1 over previous Intel offerings, is probably not going to be an easy task given how efficient this GPU is.

That said, considering the voodoo magic they worked with the M1, for all we know the next 16-inch's GPU might top an RTX 2080.

 

[cycling_pete]

This is something I've wondered about. Topping the 5600M, especially if the 16-inch is going to only use a single performance configuration, and even more so if Apple wants to exceed previous offerings in the spectacular style that they did with the M1 over previous Intel offerings, is probably not going to be an easy task given how efficient this GPU is.

That said, considering the voodoo magic they worked with the M1, for all we know the next 16-inch's GPU might top an RTX 2080.

My impression is that Apple won't release the re-designed MBP 16in unless it matches or beats the 5600m in "practical" gpu benchmarks. Doubling the number of gpu cores in the M1 gets close to this, and combined with the cpu and battery life improvements I think most "pro" users (who don't need windows apps) will have no problem making the switch.

 

[ght56]

My impression is that Apple won't release the re-designed MBP 16in unless it matches or beats the 5600m in "practical" gpu benchmarks. Doubling the number of gpu cores in the M1 gets close to this, and combined with the cpu and battery life improvements I think most "pro" users (who don't need windows apps) will have no problem making the switch.

Does doubling the GPU cores actually double performance? (I ask as I know very little about the scalability of ASi - I assume if it was we would expect the 7 core GPU to have 7/8th the performance of the 8 core GPU?)

 

[JosepPont]

Quanta is manufacturing a AS 16" model from weeks ago according to Gurman. Wee don't know if that is a redesigned model but if Apple release a 16" with the current form factor I think it will be the base model. That also means that if Apple release a AS 16" with the current form factor, the redesigned one most probably will don't be released till Q3-Q4 2021 and it is a weird strategy, don't you think?

 

[deeddawg]

Quanta is manufacturing a AS 16" model from weeks ago according to Gurman. Wee don't know if that is a redesigned model but if Apple release a 16" with the current form factor I think it will be the base model. That also means that if Apple release a AS 16" with the current form factor, the redesigned one most probably will don't be released till Q3-Q4 2021 and it is a weird strategy, don't you think?

There's something to be said to releasing an AS model with most everything else tried-and-true - it decouples any redesign issues from the CPU transition and thereby reduces the risk of creating negative public perception of Apple Silicon.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Apple tries to mostly complete the Apple Silicon transition before moving on to redesigned chassis.

 

[JosepPont]

There's something to be said to releasing an AS model with most everything else tried-and-true - it decouples any redesign issues from the CPU transition and thereby reduces the risk of creating negative public perception of Apple Silicon.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Apple tries to mostly complete the Apple Silicon transition before moving on to redesigned chassis.

That makes sense!

 

[ApfelKuchen]

I just spent $4k in September, on a 16" MBP, i9 with 32GB and 5600m and I'm concerned that this device will just tank in value when the M1 or M2 take fully over. I'm debating if I should ask Apple to return or sell this machine before they become obsolete. I thought it was good idea to max out the last intel MBP given that it might retain it's value since it can run Bootcamp etc... but I just feel like maybe I overspent on a machine that will easily be decimated in stats by a cheaper computer in a years time.

Also, yes, I know I can use this computer and it'll be a great machine and I'm not that worried about the value, but I am wondering if maybe I should wait and pick up the M1 / M2 16" when it comes out and will decimate this machine.

Just wondering if people think the Intel Mac's wont have a market later on.

There will likely be a market. There often is a strong market for well-configured older hardware that supports older software - in this case, top of the list would be Boot Camp (although if Microsoft decides to license Windows for ARM to Mac users, a Boot Camp equivalent could return to Apple Silicon).

That said... Would I return a new Intel Mac now and wait perhaps a year before an equivalent Apple Silicon Mac is released? What would you use in the meantime, an older, slower Intel Mac? What might that do for your productivity? If you're earning a living with your Mac (as the specs suggest you are), then it's relatively simple math - the cost of lost productivity in the short run vs. resale value at end of life. Generally, productivity will win over resale value.

My sense is, take advantage of the productivity of this current MBP until an equivalent is released in Apple Silicon. If there are impossible-to-ignore productivity benefits to buying the AS MBP immediately, then buy that. If there's little practical benefit to the new machine then keep using the current one until a new Mac becomes a true necessity.

 

[cycling_pete]

Quanta is manufacturing a AS 16" model from weeks ago according to Gurman. Wee don't know if that is a redesigned model but if Apple release a 16" with the current form factor I think it will be the base model. That also means that if Apple release a AS 16" with the current form factor, the redesigned one most probably will don't be released till Q3-Q4 2021 and it is a weird strategy, don't you think?

Don't know for certain, but I think the Gurman article from pre-AS launch mistook the mini production for the 16inch. He correctly predicted that 3 macs would be launched and that they were being manufactured in 2 different locations. The mini is being sent from Shenzhen while the MBP/MBA are shipping from Shanghai. So Gurman's prediction all lines up except for the fact that the third mac is the mini and not the 16in.

 

[ght56]

Quanta is manufacturing a AS 16" model from weeks ago according to Gurman. Wee don't know if that is a redesigned model but if Apple release a 16" with the current form factor I think it will be the base model. That also means that if Apple release a AS 16" with the current form factor, the redesigned one most probably will don't be released till Q3-Q4 2021 and it is a weird strategy, don't you think?

It has several benefits. Firstly, it has the potential to increase sales, as early adopters have to have the latest and greatest and major under the hood and cosmetic changes can both prompt upgrades...so might as well NOT do both at the same time to sell more units. Secondly, it avoids having to use a first generation case design, which may have numerous initial issues that could potentially damage the branding of Apple Silicon and potentially harm future sales for many years. From a timeline perspective though, I think they would likely be spaced a bit further apart.