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With over 3400 signatures, when will Apple Listen?

yeah, you want them to listen, you are gonna have to do something drastic, like..... take over an apple store. Have like 300 people come in and have a sit in.... do it at the palo alto one so you know they here about it. Refuse to leave until steve comes down and listens to the demands....

just an idea....;)
 
Yeah, you need news crews. Nobody is going to pay attention to a petition. You need to make Apple look bad. Many companies are purely image based, so anything that can hurt the image that they have spent millions of dollars grooming will be avoided at all costs. Make them look bad, and they'll do something about it.

On the other hand, you'll need to make Apple look bad. :eek:
 
If Apple "gives in" it would not make them look strong.
Computer companies sell on the basis that they know what is good for you, you can request something but if Apple says "Okay, every one wants one, we'll give it to them" means that they need the public to tell them what to do.
 
I for one do not want the 2.0 software on my 20 GB iPod. The 2.0 software has been nothing but trouble for the new iPods in that nearly everyone has had a clicking problem with them. Apple support has its hands full, and I hope they come out with a 2.0.1 version sooner than later.
 
Ah... Apple does spoil us.

Personally, I'd like it if Apple made at least some of the new iPod's features available to owners of older iPods. That'd be nice. I'm not really pissed that they haven't, but I'd like it if they did.

Sure, I'd like to play Solitaire and make on the go playlists, but I'm still happy with my 5 GB iPod, so why should I bother upgrading?

I mean do we really need "Parachute" that badly?

Seriously though, one thing I will complain about is how Apple moved the "Backlight" selection to the main menu and won't let us get rid of it. That's just mean. ;)
 
i'd like to see the menu customization feature more than anything.... though i can live without it

i signed the petition (mainly because i figure it can't hurt)... but seeing what some of those people wrote... threatening apple and stuff.. what a joke. those people are freaks.

i don't see a reason apple couldn't still offer the feature in a future upgrade for old pods, while not saying "hey, we give in"... not sure if it's a hardware thing that keeps it from being possible or what...
 
geez people

I have no clue why everyone seems so pissed about the fact that someone wants the newer software for their iPod. I don't see why this is such an unbelievable request. As long as the hardware is capable of supporting the software I think they should eventually release the new version for the older iPods.

You all have come up with some fairly ridiculous attempts at trying to equate this to buying an older car or having an outdated piece of hardware that eventually becomes obsolete. But think of this: If at WWDC Apple introduces 10.3 and decided to only realease it for the the new machines, but at the same time they released 10.2.7 and said that that would be the final release for any machines that had been purchase previous to that day and you would never see the new features of 10.3 I bet alot of you people would be less than happy about the decision.

I agree with the petition in general, but I won't sign it because it won't help anything. I can understand if Apple is using 2.0 as a selling point, but at some point I would like to have the new software. I don't need it right away, but I would like to have the option of using it sometime within the year.

I would hate to believe that Apple would no longer update the software for an iPod I got 6 months ago. That is unless the problems lies in the hardware. Then I would understand.

Anyway, I think it will come eventually, just wait for it.

Matt
 
Re: geez people

Originally posted by mkubal
I would hate to believe that Apple would no longer update the software for an iPod I got 6 months ago. That is unless the problems lies in the hardware. Then I would understand.
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i agree with basically all you said.

as for the part i quoted, i also agree, and would basically just think that if it is in fact hardware, we might get a confirmation of that sometime. word
 
Re: geez people

Originally posted by mkubal
I have no clue why everyone seems so pissed about the fact that someone wants the newer software for their iPod. I don't see why this is such an unbelievable request. As long as the hardware is capable of supporting the software I think they should eventually release the new version for the older iPods.

You all have come up with some fairly ridiculous attempts at trying to equate this to buying an older car or having an outdated piece of hardware that eventually becomes obsolete. But think of this: If at WWDC Apple introduces 10.3 and decided to only realease it for the the new machines, but at the same time they released 10.2.7 and said that that would be the final release for any machines that had been purchase previous to that day and you would never see the new features of 10.3 I bet alot of you people would be less than happy about the decision.

I agree with the petition in general, but I won't sign it because it won't help anything. I can understand if Apple is using 2.0 as a selling point, but at some point I would like to have the new software. I don't need it right away, but I would like to have the option of using it sometime within the year.

I would hate to believe that Apple would no longer update the software for an iPod I got 6 months ago. That is unless the problems lies in the hardware. Then I would understand.

Anyway, I think it will come eventually, just wait for it.

Matt
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I agree! Good lord are you people hostile! This is not comparable to making an 800 mhz imac 1 Ghz, or adding an LCD to a Lexus, so please stop making irrelevant comparisions. I don't understand why you think it's so wrong for people who spent $400 on "old" ipods less than a year ago to think that they shouldn't be kicked to the curb just because they don't have another $400 to spend. If you want customers to come back, make them believe that you will work with them even after the initial sale. Then you get happy customers, and more sales follow.

Unless there is some fundemental incompatibility between the gen 1 ipods and 2.0, then this is the same thing as not releasing OS 10.2.6 to people who bought computers that came with 10.2.4.
If the new ipods are so much better (IMO they are actually worse) then it should be no threat to sales to release 2.0 for old ipods. The real reason not to do it, as far as I can see, is because the new product is no better than the old so the software has to be used as an incentive to compensate for the hardware not really being very improved.
 
Re: Re: geez people

Originally posted by QCassidy352
I agree! Good lord are you people hostile! This is not comparable to making an 800 mhz imac 1 Ghz, or adding an LCD to a Lexus, so please stop making irrelevant comparisions. I don't understand why you think it's so wrong for people who spent $400 on "old" ipods less than a year ago to think that they shouldn't be kicked to the curb just because they don't have another $400 to spend....(snip)
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oh puhleeze. whining at apple to let you install the 2.0 firmware on the first/second generation iPods is like asking apple to make a copy of Shake that will work on a Pismo with only 128mb RAM. Or maybe it's like asking Apple to make Panther or even Jaguar work on a Mac Classic. The comparisons made by people in this thread are not irrelevant. it basically explains the same thing Apple's doing with the iPods and the reason why they're not giving the old iPod users the new firmware.
I for one did spend $350 on a new iPod last November and I'm very happy with it. I'm even happier that Apple came out with a newer iPod! There's no real technological difference between the iPods except for the battery, hard drive and buttons, and Apple in a way should let old iPod users have access to iPod firmware 2.0 but that doesn't mean that i should bitch about apple being selfish! it's the price you pay for technology that constantly changes. live with it.
 
Re: With over 3400 signatures, when will Apple Listen?

Originally posted by engelb15
http://www.petitiononline.com/ipoduser/petition.html

If you don't agree with me, fine thats you opinion and I respect it.

Also, what really sucks is that I simply mentioned this in an apple discussion thread and I was kicked for TOS violation!
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Petitions online are like IQ tests on the internet, not worth the paper their printed on.
 
Ok, lets break this down for what it is.

2.0 firmware:

  • Some new games (which suck to play on a scroll wheel anyway)
  • On the go Playlist
  • Changeable Menu

You can take out the first one as its useless except trying to waste five minutes in an airport.

The second is cool but its still not the play que that everyone is looking for.

The third is definitely a nice feature.

But, and thats a big but, these features are in no way, that big of deal. These features add little to the what the ipod was made for. Your old ipod still plays the music you want.

Hell, with the amount of hours the old ipod users used to bitch, you probably could have sold your old ipod on ebay and made up the difference in your normal hourly wage.

All that for a firmware update and clicking between tracks.
 
maclags

That petition is stupid. It is a minor issue that apple may eventually address. There is no need for thousands of signatures to prove that it should be updated.


The only petition which is worth signing is that for Half-Life 2 on the Macintosh platform!!
 
I think Apple should release a firmware update to make the old iPods dispense 20 dollar bills and play Unreal Tournament 2003.

Let's face it, it's equally as absurd and pointless a statement as that petition.
 
Re: maclags

Originally posted by 9hundred
The only petition which is worth signing is that for Half-Life 2 on the Macintosh platform!!
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no online petition is worth signing. nobody cares, nobody looks, nobody even thinks about even looking at them. If you're really desperate for Half-Life 2 on the Mac platform, go and complain to the head of Sierra Studios. Sue them. Bug the board of directors so much that they listen to you. Get thousands of people who agree with you to call the company. It'll cause a bigger effect than just signing a petition that they don't even know about.
 
I think this applies to that "Noone cares, no point, blah blah" mindset that seems so incredibly prominent with the people (they could be cease-and-desist trolls from Apple) who attack this and other efforts to tell large, powerful companies not to trample all over them.

“They came for the Communists
and I didn’t object because I wasn’t a Communist;

They came for the Socialists
and I didn’t object for I wasn’t a Socialist;

They came for the Labour leaders
and I didn’t object because I wasn’t a labour leader;

They came for the Jews
and I didn’t object for I wasn’t a Jew;

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to object.”

I think we should start caring, and I think that if enough people care, then that's how mountains are moved, even an inch. Now you can tell other people you don't care, and that's all dandy and wonderful and all that you can not care so much (not caring has become quite popular these days), and the company might not be doing something you personally have any objection to right now. And then, another group might be mistreated by a powerful entity and you won't care about them either, because you don't have any personal beef with that entity. And as far as the above goes, instead of there being noone left at all, there simply won't be anyone who cares to object when the company decides to trample You. And maybe you won't realize it and will feel frustrated that noone is bothering to help you, and you won't be able to understand why...or maybe you will realize it after all; but of course it'll be too late then.

You don't make the avalanche avoid you by not caring because it's currently half a mile above you; in fact, by the time it reaches you it'll be all the more powerful. And don't call me a religious crank if you recognize the mountain analogy earlier ;)

And finally, I end by saying that I'm sure you've heard all of this before! Maybe not in the exact wording, of course, but blah blah yes you've heard it before. Well why isn't it sinking in? Because you don't actually see it before your own eyes, a ghastly, red eyed beast with menacing fangs and claws as long as your arm, tearing you into bits, devouring you while you're still alive and your mind is filled with the oblivion of futility because you know that you can do Nothing to save yourself. It's not like that? Well I guess you should just hope you never have to find out first-hand.
 
Originally posted by form
I think this applies to that "Noone cares, no point, blah blah" mindset that seems so incredibly prominent with the people (they could be cease-and-desist trolls from Apple) who attack this and other efforts to tell large, powerful companies not to trample all over them.
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then get a real petition, not an online one that nobody knows about (which is more true than you think)
for christ's sake nowadays everyone has an online petition. it'll be something totally different if it was on paper.
 
Originally posted by davy the bunny
and the old iPod did get an update, it can play AAC files now, I don't think that it could do that before.
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I thought it could when itunes 3 came out with the ability to play aac files. I could be wrong though.
 
I agree [edit] with those who do not think this is a valid complaint [/edit], you bought an iPod with the features it came with. It is NOT a computer, there was never a promise of expandability and upgraded features. Kinda like when I bought my Handspring Prism. Came with Palm OS 3.5. Sure, I could get minor updates, but when 4.0 came out, no can do. With computers, the main reason to buy a new one is 'speed', display, connectivity, etc are also involved. With an iPod, what features are there to impel you to upgrade. You don't stare at the damn thing, so 'clarity' doesn't matter, you aren't running Photoshop on it, so 'speed' is irrelevant, it hooks up to your current computer, so 'connectivity' is fine. Thus, it boils down to two things: quality of listening experience and ease of use. BOTH of these will be upgraded with each new generation of iPods; Apple wants people to keep buying. I didn't see Apple sending wired remotes to all iPod 5GB owners, even though this was a lusted-after feature as well. Remember, those programmers do have to eat...
 
AAC files were only able to play after the 1.3 release of the iPod software. iTunes coud play them, but not as well as iTunes 4. also, iTunes 3 didn't have full support for it.
 
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