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Inner South London has two large areas Southwark and Lambeth.They are nearly universally derided as ghettos by north londoners ,in fact they have an extremely mixed and vibrant populations.The Dulwhich triangle area mentioned is one of the most sort after areas of London.Because they are close to central London you get Stockbrokers and Teachers and Firemen living cheek by jowl and loving it.
 
I live in the Dulwich Triangle! :D

Mainly because it's a very green area of London and it's cheaper than many other places because there's no Tube in the immediate vicinity. Running through Dulwich Park in the summer is lovely - especially when you stop off in the Village for a pleasant beer or two at the old coaching inn.

http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.c....4717&gridn=173173.551919327&lang=&db=freegaz

Having said that, there are a few dodgy local authority estates round. I had my bag snatched last year and the police (who arrived within 5 minutes of calling) took me to 2 estates in particular because they had a suspicion of who it might be. But you know it's a nice neighbourhood when all the neighbours are so shocked to hear a woman scream that they all run out in the underwear, chase the driver, invite me in for hot tea/brandy and call the police! :)
 
Peterkro said:
My partner lives in se24 I live in sw9.It may not be perfect but its at least lively.Maybe see you at the pool in the summer. :D

Awww... I feel left out of the fun now... :(

*sulks*

I used to live in Clapham but I guess that doesn't count...
 
iGAV said:
I'm with the police on this one.

If you've only got one hand on the steering wheel in a corner and your other hand is holding something, (sounds like she was either eating or about to eat) you ain't in full control of the car. Period.

As garybUK has said, if this women had crashed and had injured or even killed someone she'd be lambasted.

She was in the wrong. Sounds like she needs a retest to me.

I drive a manual. No power steering. Guess how often I have both hands on the wheel while making a turn? Just about never. I've been in two accidents...rear-ended both times by someone while stopped at a traffic light. I'm in absolute control of my vehicle at all times...with a single hand.

I'm similarly bemused by the idea that one cannot talk safely on a cellphone and drive(I agree holding the phone is a bad idea because I need that extra hand to shift) because you can't concentrate. I frequently have OTHER PEOPLE in the car with me. And we often have converstations while I'm driving. I don't know about anyone else, but my brain's language, speech, and hearing centers don't really take anything away from all my visual and motor skills useage. I can even walk and chew gum at the same time.

Is Southwark still characterized as dodgy? It seemed perfectly nice to me...but I spent most of my time near the Globe.
 
well, OK, maybe my saying 'Southwark' as a whole was a bit of an oversight - it's not a completely baseless remark, as I do pass through Southwark almost every day, and *certain* places could do with some improvement.

My point was simply that instead of £10,000 on chasing a petty fine, I'm sure there's better things they could be spending the cash on.

I reall have no idea why they do silly things like this, when they know that once it gets out, they're going to look like complete fools.
 
Peterkro said:
Inner South London has two large areas Southwark and Lambeth.They are nearly universally derided as ghettos by north londoners ,in fact they have an extremely mixed and vibrant populations.
Southwark also has an unusually high level of gun crime - hence Operation Trident. I work in Southwark between Borough and Elephant and Castle. Borough's quite nice and has some really good pubs. I can't say the same about Elephant and Castle....which is a dump.

Why is it when someone describes an area as having a 'vibrant local population' it's usually about a place that has nothing else good about it? I seem to recall you saying much the same thing about Brixton a few months back. Brixton makes Elephant and Castle look fantastic. One of my co-workers had kids throw bricks at her in Brixton in an attempt to knock her out so they could mug her. The police said that was quite a common M.O. in that area. :rolleyes:
 
I have friends who escaped from Hitcen at the first opportunity and now live happily in Brixton.Go figure,different strokes for different folks.By the way driving through an area and reading the daily mail tells you exactly zilch about a area.
 
Peterkro said:
I have friends who escaped from Hitcen at the first opportunity and now live happily in Brixton.Go figure,different strokes for different folks.By the way driving through an area and reading the daily mail tells you exactly zilch about a area.
I live in Hitchin not Hitcen so I presume you're talking about somewhere in Poland?

I've never driven through Brixton as I'd like to keep my car although I've lived near it and have been there many times. Also I don't read the Daily Mail....I have a brain.

Now who's making sweeping assumptions?
 
Peterkro said:
I have friends who escaped from Hitcen at the first opportunity and now live happily in Brixton.Go figure,different strokes for different folks.By the way driving through an area and reading the daily mail tells you exactly zilch about a area.

Uhm, well I actually go to college in southwark (do NOT ask, I thought I should get a taste of the real world, BAD idea). So, i think I'm entitled to complain about the area seeing as I have to be there for 2+ hours every day for the next two years.

What amazes me is the fact that it is *so* close to Waterloo, an international rail station, and yet they cant stump up a few million to regenerate the area.
 
panphage said:
Guess how often I have both hands on the wheel while making a turn? Just about never.

But are you holding something in your other hand which would impact on your ability to gain control with that hand if required???


panphage said:
I'm in absolute control of my vehicle at all times...with a single hand.

"At all times".... with a "single hand". Sorry, but bollocks are you.


panphage said:
I'm similarly bemused by the idea that one cannot talk safely on a cellphone and drive(I agree holding the phone is a bad idea because I need that extra hand to shift) because you can't concentrate. I frequently have OTHER PEOPLE in the car with me. And we often have converstations while I'm driving. I don't know about anyone else, but my brain's language, speech, and hearing centers don't really take anything away from all my visual and motor skills useage. I can even walk and chew gum at the same time.


Well you can use a mobile phone to talk (not text etc) whilst driving in the UK, you're just not allowed to hold one (cradle or intergrated car system are allowed) and with good reason.

Whilst I'm sure many can multi-task on such a level that they can pick up their phone, search through their phonebook and make the call all whilst paying attention to the road, the current conditions, anticipate possible hazardous situations, whilst being fully aware of other drivers and their intentions, whilst maintaining the car at a consistant speed. Some cannot. And there lies the problem.



asif786 said:
My point was simply that instead of £10,000 on chasing a petty fine, I'm sure there's better things they could be spending the cash on.

It's not just about the fine though. She was in the WRONG. She was driving whilst not being fully in control of a vehicle and thus was a risk to other road users and pedestrians.

Whilst it may not sound like a serious issue, potentially her actions could have contributed to an accident, then what would people be saying??

The way I see it, if her attitude to driving is so lax, then in this case an accident was possibly prevented by the actions of the Police.

It's the hindsight thing isn't it, after any accident people are all "what if", well in this case the what if happened and possibly prevented a serious accident.

It's drivers like that, with attitudes like that which make driving far more dangerous than it should be, but also far more expensive (through increased premiums for all) because of their attitudes to driving.
 
What I don't understand is the need for aerial photos of the trial, what's the purpose there?

As for the whole thing, if she was dialing a song, then that's pretty much the same thing as a phone. Silly the way it got out of hand though.

D
 
Mr. Anderson said:
What I don't understand is the need for aerial photos of the trial, what's the purpose there?

I presume it's to demonstrate to the Court where her manoeuvre took place, and then to provide evidence as to whether her manoeuvre was safe in regards to road conditions, surroundings etc.

For example if she was pulling onto a fast A Road (up to 70mph) with only one hand on the wheel, and with the other hand not available to use would be significantly more dangerous than if she was pulling into a 20mph limit One Way side street.

She should be made to pay all costs, including cleaning the windscreen of the helicopter, justice in Gav Land comes firm and fast. ;) :p
 
iGAV said:
It's not just about the fine though. She was in the WRONG. She was driving whilst not being fully in control of a vehicle and thus was a risk to other road users and pedestrians.
Whilst that is true, don't you think that with finite police resources and time that perhaps there are other crimes that should have taken priority?
 
It would never have gone to trial in the first place if she hadn't appealed against the original, fully justified, £30 fixed penalty ticket. She's completely at fault here and I have no sympathy for her. She wasted police time and resources and then ended up paying £160 instead of the original £30. As iGav says she should have paid all the costs.

I work with a few people who are very anti-speed camera. They believe that cameras should be replaced by real police officers who could take into account road conditions and wouldn't necessarily give out a speeding ticket to a law-breaker. I bet Sarah McCaffery wouldn't agree with them :D
 
caveman_uk said:
Whilst that is true, don't you think that with finite police resources and time that perhaps there are other crimes that should have taken priority?

Absolutely right, and if the law-breaking woman hadn't appealed against the £30 ticket, thereby using up these finite police resources, other crimes could have taken priority. The police have done nothing wrong in this case, and any anger should be directed at Sarah McCaffery.
 
Mechcozmo said:
iJust recently got my driver's permit, and it is scary to think of the people out on the road.


I actually saw a lady painting her dog's toenails... :eek: no, I'm not making this up...

the woman was probably in her late 40's early 50's...the dog was one of those small-ish yippy ones... it had it's front paws on the steering wheel and she was painting the toes red (I think)... I was on the bus when I saw this, so I didn't have to keep my eyes on the road, but she went on up the street without a care in the world save for not getting polish on herself...
 
caveman_uk said:
Whilst that is true, don't you think that with finite police resources and time that perhaps there are other crimes that should have taken priority?

I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Traffic Police aren't the ones who solve other crimes they're a specialised unit, and at a time when Traffic Police numbers are being substantially reduced in favour of the often pointless Speed Camera, I applaud when the Police actually pick up on dangerous drivers. They're there to maintain a safe road environment, and as such were doing there jobs.

How would we all feel if half a mile up the road as she was taking a bite she wiped out 3 kids on bikes?? I know that sounds extreme but consider the circumstances;

• She's driving one handed.
• Her other hand is holding an apple.
• It's safe to assume she's holding the apple with the intention of eating it, why?? because if she had no intent it wouldn't be in her hand, and she had left her left hand empty so she could change gear.
• She's driving a Ford Ka.
• Which doesn't come in an automatic.
• Meaning that she'd have to take her left hand off the steering wheel to change gear, remember her right hand is holding the apple.
• You can't hold an apple and be in control of a steering wheel with the same hand.
• Somewhere in that process she won't be in control of the steering at all.

I have no sympathy for her at all, and I certainly don't blame the Police. One presumes she had passed her driving test, and was fully aware of the Highway Code.

She broke the law and should be duly punished, I don't think she has been though. She should have been made to pay all costs so that money could've been spent on more important things.
 
Capt Underpants said:
I fell your pain, Mechcozmo. My 16th birthday is in 4 months, and while my other friends are looking forward (or are already enjoying driving, depending on age), I am a little less anxious. I justdon't want to get in a wreck or anything. That's what scares me the most.

On topic, though... Getting fined for having a flippin' apple is a little excessive. I have seen many ladies putting on makeup in their car, or fumbling in their purses. I'm betting that most of these people get away with it... being fined for having an apple is ecsessive, though.

You arn't the only one my friend, I scared it too.
 
boz2004 said:
I actually saw a lady painting her dog's toenails... :eek: no, I'm not making this up...
I've seen people rolling fags whilst driving.

Note for American Readers: Here a 'fag' denotes a self-rolled cigarette. Not something else.... ;)
 
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