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Woodcrest June 26th. XServe Too?

I think we will see a new Intel PowerMac in july.... well I hope so 😎

It might be probably because the next Apple event is in San Diego July 4-7 😉
 
I think apple should also release Xserve desktop units
similar to the powermac

but taller to hold more storage
 
What's the difference between a 1.6 Woodcrest and a 1.6 Conroe besides a dual processor configuration? If the lower-end PowerMac replacement has a dual core 1.6 Conroe or something similar, what's the purpose of the 1.6 Woodcrest? Would Apple put two dual core 1.6 Woodcrests in an enclosure and call it a low end Quad? Seems unlikely.
 
I don't think they will be putting the 1.6 (either conroe or woodcrest) in any of the Mac Pros.

But, to answer the question, there is no difference between a 1.6 conroe and a 1.6 woodcrest, except the dual configuration. There are just some people on here that want the more expensive/"better sounding" chip without regard to cost/any increase in performance. 🙄
 
Line UP

With Woodcrest being available more then a month ahead of Conroe it could be a good idea for Apple to split the Professional line into a Pro and Pro-sumor line.

Pro - Full Tower more HD bays.
Quad 3.0 Ghz $2,999
Quad 2.6 Ghz $2,599

Pro-Sumor - Mini tower
Dual 2.6 Ghz $1999
Dual 2.0 Ghz $1499

The prices may be off a little bit. The top one could be more expensive but you all get my drift. Then they could leave the focus of WWDC on Leopard where it belongs. If they annonce a new high end Mac Pro at WWDC it could overshadow the OS announcments that could be really important to get into the press.
 
What is Xserve used for?

What is the typical xsere used for. Who are Apple's customers for this?

I assume these are used for more then just serving files to a small workgroup. A G4 would be enough for that. Do people actually run DBMSes on Apple hardware?
 
It seems possible to me that Apple would add a top-end dual-dual Woodcrest Mac Pro in addition to the PowerMac G5 line now, even before Conroe is ready. It would probably be priced above the current machines anyway.

And then they can bring on lower-cost Conroe Mac Pros when that chip is ready--much like they intro'd the MacBook Pro and then later brought out other MacBooks. At that time the G5s can be discontinued (or more likely, quietly offered on the side for Photoshop users with immediate needs).

I see no evidence of this happening, but it sounds possible so let me dream 🙂
 
boncellis said:
What's the difference between a 1.6 Woodcrest and a 1.6 Conroe besides a dual processor configuration? If the lower-end PowerMac replacement has a dual core 1.6 Conroe or something similar, what's the purpose of the 1.6 Woodcrest? Would Apple put two dual core 1.6 Woodcrests in an enclosure and call it a low end Quad? Seems unlikely.
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From my experiance in the past,the ONLY reason you ever for with multiple processors is because you already have the fastest processor you can get and need more speed. Make little sense to use two slower processors. But now days there is a reason: If you have two (or four) processors you can shut down one or more of them to save power

Still I don't see the point of two low-end Woodcrest chips in one box. I think they will release a quad core machine but with high-end 3Ghz chips.

I'm typing this on a 3.6Ghz dual Xeon Linux system. Linux is very Macintosh-like and gives a good previce of what the new Power macs might be like. I'd like to buy a mac like this system it is very fast and I'm also running two virual machines inside VMWare
 
Now I don't follow the processor thing religiously, but I don't recall hearing that the first generation of any of the 64-bit processors would run at 3Ghz.

If it's true that Woodcrest is coming out both (i) ahead of schedule, and (ii) "over-powered," then I think we have really gotten our first dose of "this is what it's like to work with Intel."

Of course, just "ahead of schedule" is freakin' amazin'. 😀
 
idea_hamster said:
Now I don't follow the processor thing religiously, but I don't recall hearing that the first generation of any of the 64-bit processors would run at 3Ghz.
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If I recall correctly intel already demo'ed Woodcrest at 2.93 Ghz and stated that they would be releasing at 3 Ghz during their demo. The same was also true with Conroe, they demoed at 2.6 Ghz but said the Extreme Edition would be running at 2.93.

ChrisA said:
What is the typical xsere used for. Who are Apple's customers for this?

I assume these are used for more then just serving files to a small workgroup. A G4 would be enough for that. Do people actually run DBMSes on Apple hardware?
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The biggest market for Xserves are scientific computing clusters and render farms.
 
ChrisA said:
...Still I don't see the point of two low-end Woodcrest chips in one box. I think they will release a quad core machine but with high-end 3Ghz chips.
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Exactly my point. I'm sure someone somewhere will find it useful, but if Woodcrest is more expensive than Conroe as predicted, well...I just don't get it.

Like you, I think Apple will release another Quad, but it will be high-end--not 1.6 or 1.8 GHz.
 
They're making a Quad 3Ghz, and it'll be bumped to Quad 3.2Ghz at the beginning of 2007, and it'll be Octa 3.sumthin Ghz by spring 2007. Yup. 🙂
 
danielwsmithee said:
If I recall correctly intel already demo'ed Woodcrest at 2.93 Ghz and stated that they would be releasing at 3 Ghz during their demo. The same was also true with Conroe, they demoed at 2.6 Ghz but said the Extreme Edition would be running at 2.93.
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Thanks -- but I think it's still nice for something to arrive ahead of schedule. How late is IBM's 3.0Ghz G5 now? 😕

Even if the Power architecture is theoretically better, it doesn't help if they don't arrive. This is making the big switch look like it's already paying off.
 
j_maddison said:
Could a 1.6ghz Woodcrest be used in an imac?
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For what purpose? You thinking 2 x 1.6GHz Woodcrest in an iMac? If not then why Woodcrest?

Why put a server targeted chip in a low end desktop when it will gain you near zero increase in performance (actually at 1.6GHz it will lose you performance) and only raise bill of materials costs.

  • Woodcrest = server targeted (large thermal/power operating range, higher price, uses expensive chipset)
  • Conroe = desktop targeted (average thermal/power operating range, low/medium price, uses low cost chipset)
  • Merom = laptop / small form factor trageted (low thermal/power operating range, low/medium price, uses low/medium cost chipset)

Conroe, Woodcrest and Merom have basically identical cores and hence very nearly identical performance when operating at the same clock rate, thermal envelope and similar FSBs. The main differences is the socket supported, on die cache sizes and of course supported thermal/power envelope (reflected in clock rates supported and power throttling points).
 
New iMac?

Provided that woodcrest clock starts at 1.6 ghz, would it be possible to put one of those new chips in a new iMac?

Would it represent an advantage over conroe or meron??
 
j_maddison said:
No mention of the Powermac at the moment then. Could a 1.6ghz Woodcrest be used in an imac? I know its unlikely, but just curious to know if it could

Jay
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Sorry, i didnt saw you are questioning this too...
 
tristan said:
Strangest part of this rumor...

People are still ordering Xserves?😱
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You would have to know the anser to my question about "What do peole DO with xserves" to know if buying a G5 Xserve make sense. If they are serving files to a small workgroup of mac clients then even the G5 is overkill. For the file serve use case all the machine has to do is keep the Ethernet "pipe" fully filled up.
 
Fabio_gsilva said:
Provided that woodcrest clock starts at 1.6 ghz, would it be possible to put one of those new chips in a new iMac?

Would it represent an advantage over conroe or meron??
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Hmm... that sounds to me kinda like asking if I could upgrade my sports car performance by dropping in one of those new Mack truck engines...
 
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