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Woot's New Apple Sale Takes Up to $450 Off Studio Display and More
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Please find us a 5K monitor for $350 or less.
The cheapest one that you will find is an Asus 5K monitor that sells for $800. Compared to Studio Display, it is just a POS in almost every metric except for positional adjustments. If you go for an LG or Samsung 5K monitor, you’ll find more expensive and even worse models. If you don’t believe me, read some reviews.
You simply cannot find anything that matches the pixel density, color accuracy, material and build quality, speakers, webcam, OS integration and design even if you are willing to pay over $2000.
As a Studio Display user, I’m looking for a second monitor for over a year. I looked and looked, and read articles about every upcoming 5K and 6K monitors, and found nothing that’s worth spending money on. If there weren’t rumors for an upcoming update, I would gladly pay the full price for the Studio Display instead of paying $800 for the cheapest alternative.
SDAVE
macrumors 601
Totally agreed, a lot of complaints are coming from people who've never used a Studio Display. Would I love mini-LED or OLED with same specs? Sure, but it's gonna be double+ the price. Also running at 5k 120Hz is no easy task, it's a lot of data. It will require Thunderbolt 5 or latest DisplayPort.
One other issue with having a Studio Display + another brand for secondary monitor is color accuracy. They are not going to match in color (outside of obvious external designs).
This is why I went with Dual Studio Displays more than a year ago. Totally worth the investment. Also the Studio Displays don't wobble on the stand like many cheaply made monitors do, which is a huge plus for me. And there aren't many glossy 5k monitors out there (which I prefer) they are mostly matte.
Agreed, it’s used for mostly playing full screen videos to see their playbacks. If you want retina…then yeah you definitely are on the money with the equations and with scaling and what not.
EugW
macrumors P6
I don't know to what site you are referring. ClickClack? Or another? I already linked the direct manufacturer's site, and as mentioned, you can negotiate on shipping. The Kuycon G27P is $800 with all aluminum chassis and solid aluminum height adjustable stand including shipping to the US, but even less if you negotiate on shipping, direct from the manufacturer.
You're changing the goal posts now. None of this was in your original post. What you said was the Chinese knockoffs are US$1200. They are not. They are $800 or even less fully spec'd shipped, if you order from Kuycon directly.
Well, maybe they are much more if you order a Kuycon through an alternate shop like ClickClack's, but that's a waste of money.
If you are in a production environment and are willing to spend $1200, you'd be better off buying a different brand.
Yes, Apple has amongst the best factory colour accuracy, but if you're in a production environment, it still pays to buy a colour calibrator, because even Apple isn't perfect, and colour calibration shifts over time.
However, companies like Asus and LG have Mac specific settings in firmware. The Asus also is factory Calman calibrated to dE <2 for some colour spaces.
Furthermore, if you're in a production environment, there's no guarantee you will using Apple's default Display P3 setting. You might want sRGB, or DCI-P3, or AdobeRGB or whatever.
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Fiona FTW
macrumors regular
Lots of non-savvy consumers that don't know how to find the "contact us" link. Woot! is owned by Amazon and their customer service is as great. Been buying stuff from Woot! for years. Last year I bought a refurb Dyson V15. Item description included a photo of it with the updated roller. Mine came with the older version. I reached out to customer service and they offered to either credit me $100 or to return the unit for full refund. So whatever poor service others are receiving I have not experienced it. But like I said, lots of people just like to complain rather than to find a solution.
burgman
macrumors 68040
Those talking price on Chinese monitors, how are those companies dealing with US tariffs? I see a lot of disclaimers on websites about customs charges are buyers responsibility. Plus long shipping times, likely warranty issues, customer service etc. Apple Store refurbished is cheaper on base tilt model.
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$4,000 is a lot of money in a world where you can grab a 6k ASUS for $1300. I know its matte and not same quality but I feel like if you are the type of person who had to wait 6+ years for the XDR to price drop you might be better off going for more budget displays that are pretty fantastic for the value unless the disposable income for it. Just seems like a lot of money in a world where there are a lot of big leaps in options for displays hitting the market.
Also if you don't have Apple+ warranty and that thing has an issue in a couple years good luck on a repair bill.
EugW
macrumors P6
There are no additional US tariffs on computer monitors.
Along with smartphones and stuff like that, they were exempted. I guess the current administration felt that adding tariffs to these items would p!ss off American consumers too much.
Warranty issues are a valid concern, and that was one reason I chose to buy an LG instead. You generally won't be able to return these monitors to the manufacturer if you just happen not to like it, but FWIW, those who have bought from Kuycon have had decent customer service for replacements when the monitors were truly defective.
SDAVE
macrumors 601
I already sent you a link directly to their website, it's easy to check. (see attached)
Why would you negotiate on shipping? lol sounds suspect. Warranty, color accuracy, QC, ease of use (Apple integration) are all tantamount to a better experience long term. What if you have a dead pixel? Good luck with shipping it back to China, footing the shipping bill.
Most production environments don't use a color calibrator unless you're doing print work. If you are doing video related production work, usually no one uses consumer displays, they get high end Dolby Vision external color accurate displays. But for majority of people, Apple displays are fine.
I don't think anyone's buying these Chinese knock offs. I personally would rather invest in real brands like LG and Samsung if I am going with non-Apple displays. Why would you buy a wannabe Apple display is beyond me. Few hundred bucks here and there doesn't make your life any better.
I am saying all of these things as a professional, I'm not some hobbyist. I have never seen any legitimate designer/animator/production company use non-Apple branded displays to save a few bucks. Majority of the time these are write offs anyway.
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Jack Burton
macrumors 6502a
What does having an Apple chip in there actually do?
Those speakers are NICE and I would love a monitor with something that good to simplify my desk.
EugW
macrumors P6
Like I said, you’re changing the goalposts. Your post claimed it was $1200, so I called you on that, and that's when you shifted your argument. Anyhow, I went back to your original post and saw the link, here: https://kuycon.us/monitors/G27P
Unfortunately, that is not actually Kuycon's website. It's a website operated by a third party, with no affiliation to Kuycon. Kuycon operates out of China and sells direct (the link I provided), or through ClickClack or Amazon. I'm not sure what that website you linked is doing, but it sounds like they could just be buying Kuycons at full price and reselling them.
Kuycon G27P 5K 60HZ 27-inch IPS Monitor
ClickClack.io is the exclusive authorized international retailer of Kuycon products (excluding Russia). Full manufacturer warranty & shipping protection.
clickclack.io
ClickClack charges US$849 for the monitor,
And BTW, I'll reiterate again, I didn't even buy one of these. I bought an LG UltraFine 6K. I'm just pointing out that your original $1200 price claim was simply wrong. Whether a professional would buy this or not even at a lower price is a completely different argument.
Uh, wut?!? Maybe you mean they won't use no-name brands like the Kuycon, but that's a different argument. It would be strange to claim that all professional Mac users only ever use Apple displays.
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SDAVE
macrumors 601
Like I said, you’re changing the goalposts. Your post claimed it was $1200, so I called you on that, and that's when you shifted your argument. Anyhow, I went back to your original post and saw the link, here: https://kuycon.us/monitors/G27P
Unfortunately, that is not actually Kuycon's website. It's a website operated by a third party, with no affiliation to Kuycon. Kuycon operates out of China and sells direct (the link I provided), or through ClickClack or Amazon. I'm not sure what that website you linked is doing, but it sounds like they could just be buying Kuycons at full price and reselling them.
Kuycon G27P 5K 60HZ 27-inch IPS Monitor
ClickClack.io is the exclusive authorized international retailer of Kuycon products (excluding Russia). Full manufacturer warranty & shipping protection.
ClickClack charges US$849 for the monitor, and $89 shipping, for a total of US$938, but as mentioned, it's cheaper if you just purchase direct from the manufacturer. AFAIK, ClickClack just drop ships from them anyway. As for the shipping price direct from the manufacturer, it varies from day to day. The manufacturer often sells in bulk, but from individual users who have dealt with them, it seems for single users they don't negotiate much on the unit price, but will sometimes throw in reduced or free shipping if you contact them directly and ask.
And BTW, I'll reiterate again, I didn't even buy one of these. I bought an LG UltraFine 6K. I'm just pointing out that your original $1200 price claim was simply wrong. Whether a professional would buy this or not even at a lower price is a completely different argument.
Uh, wut?!? Maybe you mean they won't use no-name brands like the Kuycon, but that's a different argument. It would be strange to claim that all professional Mac users only ever use Apple displays.
Ok go buy the Chinese knockoff 😉
I still have no idea what your argument is. I've presented mine multiple times, I do not wish to continue this conversation.
BTW literally the website you sent over $1k (without shipping + tax), so no idea where you're getting these numbers. Also why the hell is shipping $200 lol
Also you should read this thread before you advertise these knockoff monitors. I wouldn't be surprised if people who advertise these monitors around these forums/on social media are bots or employees of these companies.
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puckhead193
macrumors G3
hope a new model drops soon... and I hope they keep it around 27" Anything bigger won't fit on my desk comfortably 😂
I’ve never had problems with Woot before or after Amazon bought them. I will double check the price with the regular listing on Amazon or the Amazon Haul site before ordering though.
Maybe the manufacturer’s site redirected them to a reseller that handles sales for their locale and/or has the configuration that they want in inventory?
EugW
macrumors P6
I've already told you several times that I bought the LG 6K.
My argument is that Kuycon G27P 27" 5K monitor can be purchased for $800 or less, including shipping direct from the manufacturer, as I've already said in previous posts.
Yep, you are correct. I failed to factor in their ridiculous shipping price, which is all the more reason not to buy from ClickClack. AFAIK, they likely just drop-ship from the manufacturer anyway.
In my prior post I provided the direct link to the manufacturer's listing, which is US$750 including height adjustable stand. Shipping is extra, but pricing varies. At the time of the posting it was $48, but sometimes it's more and sometimes it can be waived if you contact them directly. The link was in my first post to you:
We are well aware, but again, this represents a change from your original argument. My only argument was the real price of those monitors was $800.
And as I've already said, also multiple times, I didn't buy the Kuycon either. I bought an LG 6K. I guess you're claiming the entire Kuycon thread here at MacRumors is made up of bots and Kuycon employees, even though some of us bought the LG or Asus.
While I personally cannot vouch for this, others who have inquired with Kuycon have been told that Kuycon.US is not an authorized Kuycon reseller. For US sales, Kuycon sells direct, or else through Amazon. Direct is usually much cheaper though and sales through Amazon are still shipped from China.
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Probably a sign that new external displays will be out soon. The Pro Display XDR is also on Woot, but the discount is minimal.
If Apple were any other company, the Studio Display would have been discontinued 2 years ago in favor of an upgraded model, which itself would approach end-of-cycle at this point. And if, for any strange reason, the Studio Display would still be available, its price would be under $500.
In my experience, a year or so down the road I'll have long forgotten what little money I saved cheaping out on something like this, but the limitations of the crappier version I bought are right there in my face every single day.
And the brightness. I feel like I'm always seeing some nice-seeming display for sale and then noticing the max brightness is like 400 nits.
EugW
macrumors P6
Some third party monitors are brighter than the Apple Studio Display, which shouldn’t come as a surprise since the ASD is only moderately bright. We are not talking about the Pro Display XDR here. Perhaps the Studio Display 2 will remedy this though.
chrono1081
macrumors G3
Ugh this hurts my soul. I've been waiting for a sale for years to get a second studio with height/tilt (a necessity for me) and it hits right at a time where I have a **** ton of bills going out.