World of Warcraft and PowerBook G4

Discussion in 'Mac and PC Games' started by morovic, Jul 10, 2008.

  1. morovic macrumors newbie

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    i have a powerbook G4, 1,67Ghz with 2 Gb of RAM.
    -Graphics: ATI Radeon 9700 Mobility.
    my OS is 10.3.9, and i play with only x-pearl addon.

    -drivers updated
    -pram and nvram have been reset
    -i (try to) play in windowed mode
    -opengl ev test run and found no problems

    follow the list of video options setup
    -resolution 1152x768(wide)
    -refresh 60hz
    -multisampling 24-bit color 24-bit depth 1x multisampling
    -vertical sync Disabled
    -windowed mode Enabled
    -maximized Disabled
    -Hardware cursor Enabled
    -Use UI scale Enabled
    -Use desktop gamma Enabled

    -Terrain Distance Near
    -Terrain Detail Low
    -Spell Detail Low
    -Environment Detail Near
    -Ground Clutter Density Low
    -Ground Clutter Radius Near
    -Texture Resolution Low
    -Texture Filtering Low
    -Weather Intensity Low

    -Specular Lighting Disabled
    -Full-Screen Glow Effect Disabled
    -Death Effect Dsabled
    -Character Shadows Disabled
    -Level of Detail Enabled

    Interface Options
    -Reduce Input Lag Enabled

    to make a long story short ALL video options at very low

    >Results: 14-15 fps on my main charachter outside cities, 6-7 fps inside cities, 3 fps inside raid instances, 1 or 0.5 (record!) during fights in raid instances

    well i played wow on this with decent frame per second before tbc, even in 40men instances.

    i've looked on all forums, FAQs, guides and ancient dusty macintosh spellbooks. No clue to grow fps rate for more than 1.

    i've tried to update the graphic board but (and this is the funny part of the story) ATI company doesn't recognize the existence of a Radeon 9700 "mobility", Apple says that the 9700m is equipped only on rare models of powerbook and don't exist drivers from third parts.

    Blizzard's technical forum simply didn't help

    feel free to ask me any specification about my PB if this can help someone of you in bringing light on our mac-psychodrama
     
  2. topgunn macrumors 65816

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    #2
    Your computer should definitely do better than that. I can't remember exactly what the power settings look like in 10.3 but check in your system preferences and make sure your power settings aren't set to automatic or low.
     
  3. RedTomato macrumors 68040

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    - reduce screen resolution right down - try 800x600 and work your way up.

    - maybe upgrade to 10.4? (contains new drivers)

    - turn multisampling off.

    - some games run better full screen than windowed.

    - run a system cleaner (Cocktail or SterMachine)

    - check your login items - maybe you are loading unneccessary stuff on login

    - reboot and dont load any other apps before playing.

    All these things helped when I was trying to get UT2004 to run smoothly on my powerbook.
     
  4. IanC macrumors regular

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    Weird, my ibook worked better than that on WoW with similar settings (only diff is res, which i had set to 1024x768)

    10.4 seems to be a sweet spot for WoW and PowerPC macs - might be worth upgrading to that?
     
  5. cluthz macrumors 68040

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    #5
    Hmm seems low.

    I ran WoW on my 12 inch PB G4 with 1.5GHz, 768 MB ram and nvidia 5200 go.
    The 9700 should be much faster.

    I usually had 20 fps outside citites and 10-12 in shatt. In SSC/TK I had 4-10 FPS. I ran in 10.4.X tho
     
  6. chaosbunny macrumors 68000

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    #6
    I have a 15" G4 PowerBook similar to the ops (see sig) and even get these results in Leopard running at 1280x854. Tiger was a bit better, but only about 2 fps or something.

    Does your (op) ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 have 128 mb gfx memory? Didn't they make 64 and 128 mb versions of it?

    Anyway something seems wrong here, maybe it's best to try Tiger, like others have mentioned.
     
  7. KingYaba macrumors 68040

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    Wait, what? What does this do?
     
  8. morovic thread starter macrumors newbie

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    #8
    thank you for the quick answer

    Does your (op) ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 have 128 mb gfx memory? Didn't they make 64 and 128 mb versions of it?
    i have the 128 version
    make sure your power settings aren't set to automatic or low.
    done, they were set to max
    - reduce screen resolution right down - try 800x600 and work your way up.
    done, but it does worse: from 4 fps at Org gates to 2.3
    - turn multisampling off.
    if u mean FSAA multisampling, yes i had already turned off from Ati Display
    - run a system cleaner (Cocktail or SterMachine)
    done but nothing changed
    - reboot and dont load any other apps before playing.
    i do this everytime :(

    - check your login items - maybe you are loading unneccessary stuff on login
    how can i check which programs my mac loads on startup?

    i've done a test with xbench1.3 (hope to not spam too much in pasting results )

    Results 20.16
    System Info
    Xbench Version 1.3
    System Version 10.3.9 (7W98)
    Physical RAM 2048 MB
    Model PowerBook5,6
    Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.67 GHz
    L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
    L2 Cache 512K @ 1.67 GHz
    Bus Frequency 167 MHz
    Video Card ATY,RV360M11
    Drive Type Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
    CPU Test 42.59
    GCD Loop 79.21 4.18 Mops/sec
    Floating Point Basic 26.83 637.42 Mflop/sec
    AltiVec Basic 91.93 3.66 Gflop/sec
    vecLib FFT 62.24 2.05 Gflop/sec
    Floating Point Library 24.65 4.29 Mops/sec
    Thread Test 55.99
    Computation 50.75 1.03 Mops/sec, 4 threads
    Lock Contention 62.44 2.69 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
    Memory Test 21.24
    System 15.51
    Allocate 94.41 346.72 Kalloc/sec
    Fill 12.44 604.63 MB/sec
    Copy 9.76 201.66 MB/sec
    Stream 33.67
    Copy 39.77 821.52 MB/sec [altivec]
    Scale 41.07 848.45 MB/sec [altivec]
    Add 32.21 686.16 MB/sec [altivec]
    Triad 26.12 558.85 MB/sec [altivec]
    Quartz Graphics Test 36.40
    Line 32.16 2.14 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
    Rectangle 34.67 10.35 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
    Circle 35.44 2.89 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
    Bezier 36.98 932.69 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
    Text 45.08 2.82 Kchars/sec
    OpenGL Graphics Test 30.94
    Spinning Squares 30.94 39.25 frames/sec
    User Interface Test 6.52
    Elements 6.52 29.92 refresh/sec
    Disk Test 31.79
    Sequential 52.52
    Uncached Write 56.43 34.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 47.22 26.72 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 52.50 15.36 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 54.89 27.59 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Random 22.80
    Uncached Write 8.16 0.86 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 46.24 14.80 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 60.44 0.43 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 68.06 12.63 MB/sec [256K blocks]


    i've also another question: if my graphic is 9700 mobility why opengl extension viewer says that i have "Renderer:ATI Radeon 9600 XT OpenGL Engine" ????

    i really wouldn't spam but maybe the openGL EV report may be of some help:

    Renderer: ATI Radeon 9600 XT OpenGL Engine
    Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Memory: 128 MB
    Version: 1.5 ATI-1.3.42
    Shading language version: N/A
    Max number of light sources: 8
    Max viewport size: 2656 x 2656
    Max texture size: 2048 x 2048
    Max anisotropy: 16
    Max samples: 0
    Max draw buffers: 0
    Max texture coordinates: 8
    Max vertex texture image units: 4


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    GL_APPLE_vertex_program_evaluators
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  9. morovic thread starter macrumors newbie

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    #9
    i also would like to try those famous omega drivers but seems impossible to find anything for mac
     
  10. TSE macrumors 68030

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    #10
    I would upgrade to Tiger. Tiger is known to actually speeds PPC computers up with better drivers. Try that.
     
  11. morovic thread starter macrumors newbie

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    #11
    updated to 10.4.11
    result: gained about 5 fps outside cities and instance
    same fps inside them
    this mac is driving me crazy
     

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