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World Trade Center design chosen
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The Meier team design was much more understatedly elegant, I don't know about the other projects he has done, but I liked the fact that the design was parsimonious and efficient, and retained some sense of human scale.
The abstracted interlocking hands concept was a good start. Why not make the memorial about peace and cooperation in the future rather than an obtuse statement about American superiority.
The abstracted interlocking hands concept was a good start. Why not make the memorial about peace and cooperation in the future rather than an obtuse statement about American superiority.
Because the United States is superior, particularly superior to the bastards who flew the planes into the previous towers. The WTC towers were themselves symbols of peace and cooperation. Do you know how many countries lost citizens in that attack? It was a large number.
That's a bizarre response
Thousands are killed in a heinous terrorist act and you want to memorialize them with something about "peace and cooperation?"
The attackers were deviants whom, in their primitive weakness, used the tools of our modern lifestyle to strike terror into the common man. Using planes they could never build, these fundamentalists destroyed towers they could never create, to paralyze our society with fear.
Our response should not be a desire to reach out to these sociopathic freaks in a spirit of "peace and understanding." Our response should be one of defiance- a demonstration that no matter what they do in a misguided attempt to damage our society, we'll just come back bigger and better, while they dwindle inevitably into the dustbin of history.
Attempting to understand and accept the motives of these monstrous attackers smacks of moral relativism and displays a soft underbelly in our society. Lots of people have greivances- here in the States, there are plenty of people unhappy with the upcoming war on Iraq.
Do they detonate bombs in shopping malls to prove their point? No, they protest peacefully, fully understanding that their message will have all the more power and endurance that way. We shouldn't give the barbarians who would resort to these sort of attacks any sort of satisfaction.
Thousands are killed in a heinous terrorist act and you want to memorialize them with something about "peace and cooperation?"
The attackers were deviants whom, in their primitive weakness, used the tools of our modern lifestyle to strike terror into the common man. Using planes they could never build, these fundamentalists destroyed towers they could never create, to paralyze our society with fear.
Our response should not be a desire to reach out to these sociopathic freaks in a spirit of "peace and understanding." Our response should be one of defiance- a demonstration that no matter what they do in a misguided attempt to damage our society, we'll just come back bigger and better, while they dwindle inevitably into the dustbin of history.
Attempting to understand and accept the motives of these monstrous attackers smacks of moral relativism and displays a soft underbelly in our society. Lots of people have greivances- here in the States, there are plenty of people unhappy with the upcoming war on Iraq.
Do they detonate bombs in shopping malls to prove their point? No, they protest peacefully, fully understanding that their message will have all the more power and endurance that way. We shouldn't give the barbarians who would resort to these sort of attacks any sort of satisfaction.
Understanding the enemy...
But the whole idea here ain't about American superiority, but about being able to rebound from a national disaster. Anything less is an expression of fear and broken morale--exactly what the terrorists want. They like symbolic attacks and psychological devastation. The best thing we can do is to blast upwardly and more grandiosely than before.
We *are* a great country. In spite of our many sins, God has granted the US great favor. And it shows. Be grateful, be proud. But do not misinterpret a grandiose rebuilding plan as America flaunting its strength. That's ridiculous. The best revenge is living well.
I think he believes that each of us should try to defuse the already tremendous international stress level. I disagree with his statement, but I don't think he means to mock the dead.
Never thought of it that way. You're right.
Amen. This is why I wanted to see taller -- but stronger and safer -- buildings. Do you think the Empire State Building would have went down so easily? I tend to doubt it. It was built differently, in a different era. We might need to take a few queues from the architect of the building that King Kong conquered. But I believe that it can -- and should -- be done.
I think that depends on the individual making the statement. I've never heard anyone but the terrorists say that we need to "accept" their motives. But understanding their motives can actually help us.
Understanding things from their side can help us be more sensitive to those who sympathize with the loonies but haven't actually crossed the line yet. We need serious PR help in the ME, and at least understanding why they hate us so much may help to defuse future bombs that may come our way.
I read in the LA Times today about Maan, Jordan. It's a pretty messed up city, a hot bed of radical elements totally frustrated with their third-world lifestyle. The gov't has pretty much forgotten them, but instead of getting mad at the gov't, they get angry at the US for supporting their enemy, Israel. I speculate that radical Muslim elements see the ignorance and poverty-based frustration of the people, then channel that high emotion in the wrong direction, taking full advantage of their ignorance.
Very true. I could not agree much more.
You don't sound like an American, or if you are, you sound like someone apologizing for the country. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
But the whole idea here ain't about American superiority, but about being able to rebound from a national disaster. Anything less is an expression of fear and broken morale--exactly what the terrorists want. They like symbolic attacks and psychological devastation. The best thing we can do is to blast upwardly and more grandiosely than before.
We *are* a great country. In spite of our many sins, God has granted the US great favor. And it shows. Be grateful, be proud. But do not misinterpret a grandiose rebuilding plan as America flaunting its strength. That's ridiculous. The best revenge is living well.
I think he believes that each of us should try to defuse the already tremendous international stress level. I disagree with his statement, but I don't think he means to mock the dead.
Never thought of it that way. You're right.
Amen. This is why I wanted to see taller -- but stronger and safer -- buildings. Do you think the Empire State Building would have went down so easily? I tend to doubt it. It was built differently, in a different era. We might need to take a few queues from the architect of the building that King Kong conquered. But I believe that it can -- and should -- be done.
I think that depends on the individual making the statement. I've never heard anyone but the terrorists say that we need to "accept" their motives. But understanding their motives can actually help us.
Understanding things from their side can help us be more sensitive to those who sympathize with the loonies but haven't actually crossed the line yet. We need serious PR help in the ME, and at least understanding why they hate us so much may help to defuse future bombs that may come our way.
I read in the LA Times today about Maan, Jordan. It's a pretty messed up city, a hot bed of radical elements totally frustrated with their third-world lifestyle. The gov't has pretty much forgotten them, but instead of getting mad at the gov't, they get angry at the US for supporting their enemy, Israel. I speculate that radical Muslim elements see the ignorance and poverty-based frustration of the people, then channel that high emotion in the wrong direction, taking full advantage of their ignorance.
Very true. I could not agree much more.
I agree with portions of all of these statements. In my view the new WTC should not be about terrorists, or peace or war, it should be a monument to the resilience of the American people and a testament to our national character. As such it should not wallow in self pity, nor be grandiose and overstated. It should also be a better development then the former WTC. That, actually, should be the easy part.
I think that by remember the victims of 9/11, the new WTC should be the grandest buildings in NYC and in the whole world. At the new WTC site, there should be a memorial for the vicitms, but I think that there should also be plenty of office space, too.
Re: Come to think of it... Alex_ant has a good idea...
That is really not funny... i live in New York and to see people like you joking around like this is disgusting. Typical behavior of a CalifornianOriginally posted by GeneR
ALEX_ANT -- YOUUUU AREEEE AA GEENNNNIUSSSS!!!
I think that picture's great. Great. Great. Great.
I would, however, add a giant disco ball to that arrangement... you know, hang it from the cross beam along with a giant pink fuzzy dice with white dots.
