Because any PC is good for 6+ years. People and the enterprise don't need to refresh them every 3 years like they used to.
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Because any PC is good for 6+ years. People and the enterprise don't need to refresh them every 3 years like they used to.
I have an alert set for Ming Chi-Kuo and every time I hope for Mac rumours (ha) and every time I'm disappointed.
A really bad economy? I know small businesses are dumping Microsoft server because of the super high fees! Linux is replacing old MS Servers and it' accelerating! Plus many small business are buying Mac Minis for their worker stations!
Yes, at the very best, it's warping the "Pro" market and targeting those who don't really need these devices. At the worst, it's deceiving consumers. Having an iPad that only has 2GB of RAM and a watered down A9X replacing a PC? It's very disappointing to see that Apple has gotten caught up with the phenomenal iPad and iPhone sales, and using that momentum to shift all of its products towards that direction.
And you'll be saying...what, in June when the Mac lineup gets an overhaul?
Seriously, people here act like apple has to pump out the newest processors in their line instead of waiting for an overall better package. What a rat race.
Because putting out a $3000 MBP with Haswell and an outdated AMD Radeon chip is acceptable? If they're charging premium for the laptops, then yes, I expect as a customer for Apple to put the newest processors.
And you just HAVE to purchase it right now instead of waiting....because?
Consumer society and instant gratification. If you want to act like your being forced to purchase a machine, fine. Most adults who spend a few thousands dollars on a tool actually plan ahead for their needs.
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a new mac just because of a faster processor, instead of waiting for a CPU & GPU update that is a significant update.
Ah, so it's not Apple's fault for putting out outdated products. It is the CONSUMERS for not having patience. Give me a break. My only option was the 2015 rMBP because of the video graphics card issues with the 2012 rMBP, which I had to bring 5 times to the Apple Store.
It's hilarious to come across people who give Apple all the praise and don't think whatsoever of the consumers.
Hummm.... not at our company. Our policy is 2 years and that seems about right. Our Windows machines are feeling pretty old after 2 years. It's amazing the little advancements that are made over 2 years.
"Too right, why is everybody so impatient" – Mac Pro, last updated 845 days ago.
Outdated yet perfectly capable devices yes. I'd like to see the Mac Pro actually get updated, the TB display actually get updated, etc. But don't act like you were forced to do anything. In three years time that you owned the 2012, there was only a few months total that any of the Apple offerings would have been using the absolute latest components. If it's so important to you to get a 15% CPU bump then buy the tool you need, which doesn't sound like a mac.
Maybe Tim should also stop trying to convince people that they don't need MACs anymore because an iPad will work just fine. All that does (IMHO) is set people up for disappointment when they find out that iOS is no match for OS X.
This was the most puzzling bit of the March event for me. "Don't buy Macs (PCs), naah, you just need an iPad and you're set."
There are some people (probably hundreds of millions of people) who never needed a computer in the first place.
But they bought a computer because that was the only device that could get them online, get their email, surf the web, etc.
Now they can do all that on their phone and/or tablet and they have little use for a computer.
I know plenty of people with broken laptops that never bothered to get them fixed or replace them. Computers are simply not on their radar anymore. They'll replace their phone immediately if it breaks... but not a computer.
Then there are people who use a laptop so infrequently that they don't mind if it runs a little slow. They use a computer for some tasks... but the computer is secondary to their phone or tablet.
And then there are other people who use a computer every day for work or who are simply computer enthusiasts. Those would be the main market for replacement computers. However... computers last so long these days that they don't need to be replaced as often as they used to.
So with people not needed computers much or at all anymore... and long life-cycles of today's computers... it's really no wonder why computer sales are shrinking overall.
But gosh... it's only down about 10% YoY.
65 million units last quarter versus 71 million units the same time last year. The sky isn't falling (yet)
But they bought a computer because that was the only device that could get them online, get their email, surf the web, etc.
Now they can do all that on their phone and/or tablet and they have little use for a computer.
I know plenty of people with broken laptops that never bothered to get them fixed or replace them. Computers are simply not on their radar anymore. They'll replace their phone immediately if it breaks... but not a computer.
Then there are people who use a laptop so infrequently that they don't mind if it runs a little slow. They use a computer for some tasks... but the computer is secondary to their phone or tablet.
And then there are other people who use a computer every day for work or who are simply computer enthusiasts. Those would be the main market for replacement computers. However... computers last so long these days that they don't need to be replaced as often as they used to.
So with people not needed computers much or at all anymore... and long life-cycles of today's computers... it's really no wonder why computer sales are shrinking overall.
But gosh... it's only down about 10% YoY.
65 million units last quarter versus 71 million units the same time last year. The sky isn't falling (yet)
My mates business is getting new hardware, but are they getting Mac's.... No, they are getting PC's.
That's fine for Home use only, as a need for " no-one really needs a computer".. You try and apply that same logic to a business, and most IT people will be freaking out. And when they do go for one, they'll go with PC.
While Mac plays a stand, its usually adding to existing PC business, not soley.
That's fine for Home use only, as a need for " no-one really needs a computer".. You try and apply that same logic to a business, and most IT people will be freaking out. And when they do go for one, they'll go with PC.
While Mac plays a stand, its usually adding to existing PC business, not soley.
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What I have seen (again I have to caveat this as anecdotal) is that the workplace is increasingly providing employees with laptops. The younger workers seem to be okay taking the work laptop home and using it. They do not own their own. I see that more lately. I also know of a few young people that are fresh out of school that rely on they phone for everything and do not have a computer at home. My daughter the artist is a perfect example. she is totally content with the phone and the apple TV. I gave her an old macbook so she technically has one in her place, but I don't think she uses it.
Contrast that with older and maybe more affluent folks. Most have a computer at work and one at home. In my case, My wife and I each have a work provided laptop, a personal computer (her macbook air, me imac), an ipad and an iphone (and the apple watch too). So, where as the older generations have multiple devices per individual, the younger seem to be okay with less devices per individual.
I agree that trends around the replacement cycle are extending, but I also think that for the same reasons you point out (devices are faster more powerful and don't run out of gas as quickly) there is a trend towards less devices per person. I wish someone would do a survey to validate this, but in my corner of the world, I totally believe that both trends are real -- less devices and longer replacement cycles (the same is coming to the phone by the way).
I have an 8 year old iMac core 2 duo and have been waiting to upgrade. I want the long promised newer Intel chip - whatever that eventually maybe. I am also tired of the all-in-one model and long for the 'prosumer' Mac that I could open up and easily upgrade.
Since Apple is unlikely to ever give me that choice again, my only options seem to be Windows, Hackintosh, or take another byte of the Apple then 'grin and bear it'.
Since Apple is unlikely to ever give me that choice again, my only options seem to be Windows, Hackintosh, or take another byte of the Apple then 'grin and bear it'.
Well at least we know why Apple hasn't released new Macbook Pros. If ain't broke, don't fix it. They're still selling well enough.
Well said. I would have initially put my wife in the category of people who don't need a computer and a phone an tablet are all she needs. However in the last year she almost never uses her tablet and it's her phone, apple watch and iMac. The tablet would work perhaps, but she does too much an needs an iMac. However her 2011 iMac is more than powerful enough for what she does. When they release new one's this year, I'll be upgrading it any, just because it's getting long in the tooth and we can give it to your children.There are some people (probably hundreds of millions of people) who never needed a computer in the first place.
But they bought a computer because that was the only device that could get them online, get their email, surf the web, etc.
Now they can do all that on their phone and/or tablet and they have little use for a computer.
I know plenty of people with broken laptops that never bothered to get them fixed or replace them. Computers are simply not on their radar anymore. They'll replace their phone immediately if it breaks... but not a computer.
Then there are people who use a laptop so infrequently that they don't mind if it runs a little slow. They use a computer for some tasks... but the computer is secondary to their phone or tablet.
And then there are other people who use a computer every day for work or who are simply computer enthusiasts. Those would be the main market for replacement computers. However... computers last so long these days that they don't need to be replaced as often as they used to.
So with people not needed computers much or at all anymore... and long life-cycles of today's computers... it's really no wonder why computer sales are shrinking overall.
But gosh... it's only down about 10% YoY.
65 million units last quarter versus 71 million units the same time last year. The sky isn't falling (yet)
Having come from Windows last year, I will never turn back. BUT it seems is determined to take away the things I love most about my MACs (rMPB, 2-MBA's + iPad Pro 9.7, iPod touch 6th gen)
As far as the laptops go, what sold me and keeps me happy are: Magsafe /USB ports/SD card slot /real keyboard (not flat rMB type) build quality /care. Not a fan of El Capitan's system lock down and dumb down and have vowed to stay with Yosemite.
I fail to see any logic in downplaying the power and portability of laptops by pushing iPads. Adding a keyboard gives it the bulk of a laptop minus the full functionality of OS X. So, remind me again why I would even want to turn a tablet into a laptop when my laptop does everything I want?
As far as the laptops go, what sold me and keeps me happy are: Magsafe /USB ports/SD card slot /real keyboard (not flat rMB type) build quality /care. Not a fan of El Capitan's system lock down and dumb down and have vowed to stay with Yosemite.
I fail to see any logic in downplaying the power and portability of laptops by pushing iPads. Adding a keyboard gives it the bulk of a laptop minus the full functionality of OS X. So, remind me again why I would even want to turn a tablet into a laptop when my laptop does everything I want?
Just wondering, but what components are you looking to upgrade in your (hypothetical) iMac? I know the 27" can still have RAM replaced through the back (unless something has changed since I've last looked at the iMacs).
If you are comfortable removing the screen with the pizza cutter device you can get through ifixit,working on iMacs is actually surprisingly easy.
I broke my 2009 iMac by trying to remove the dust that gathered inside the screen (known issue). Pro-tip: when they say "lift the screen" they mean "a tiny bit" not "180 degrees".