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Studawg7 said:
wait, so you think hes an idiot and disagree with him on the most part but for this one article you're in total agreement???
Yes for the most part he is an idiot. I agree with on this because if you did indeed watch the Super Bowl you would have seen that the refs made terrible calls. So yes I agree with him on this because he is right for once. I was also surprised he would even stand up for the Seahawks.
 
You know even if the Sea Hawk got that one touch down that got over turn by a flag they still would of lost. They lost by 11 points.

It that fact plus they missed 2 field goals. Making both the field goals would of kept them in the game at the end. But they lost by 11 points. Stop being sore loosers. Face it the Sea hawks lost. They played a alful game. They where not playing as a superbowl team what so ever. They lost Piston won the game fair and square.
 
Timepass said:
You know even if the Sea Hawk got that one touch down that got over turn by a flag they still would of lost. They lost by 11 points.

It that fact plus they missed 2 field goals. Making both the field goals would of kept them in the game at the end. But they lost by 11 points. Stop being sore loosers. Face it the Sea hawks lost. They played a alful game. They where not playing as a superbowl team what so ever. They lost Piston won the game fair and square.

The Darrell Jackson supposed offense pass interference would have added 4 more. Then the Locklear "hold" (where was the fing hold?) would have added seven. So 7 + 4 = 11. So it would have been tied. And after that who knows how the Steelers would be playing. Plus Ben R. did not pass the line of the touchdown zone, so take away 7 points from the Steelers and that leaves you with Seattle 21 and Steelers 14.

Oh and we also out played them and stopped their supposed superior defense from getting Matt H. So shut the **** up because you dont know what you are talking about.
 
pseudobrit said:
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. What happens, happens. A team can adjust to anything thrown at it and the Seahawks had plenty of time and opportunity to win. Seattle lost on the field.

That's patently ridiculous. Yes, it's possible to adjust to completely biased calls, but that doesn't make it fair. Why should Seattle be given the burden of overcoming unfair officiating? How about if they made a field that could be tilted several degrees so that when one team had the ball they were always literally going downhill and the other was always going uphill? It's an absurd example, but then again, you're making an absurd argument. If a team is put at an unfair disadvantage because of a factor outside of their control (i.e. the officiating) then they have a legitimate complaint! Just because it's *possible* to win in spite of that doesn't mean that it's fair! My goodness, you don't really believe what you're saying, do you?? :confused:

Timepass said:
You know even if the Sea Hawk got that one touch down that got over turn by a flag they still would of lost. They lost by 11 points.

It that fact plus they missed 2 field goals. Making both the field goals would of kept them in the game at the end. But they lost by 11 points. Stop being sore loosers. Face it the Sea hawks lost. They played a alful game. They where not playing as a superbowl team what so ever. They lost Piston won the game fair and square.

The whole game changes if things are called differently. There were certainly enough significant bad calls that the game could have easiliy swung in Seattle's favor. And those 2 missed field goals that you love to harp on were for a combined 104 yards - not exactly chip shots, and not exactly proof that the seahawks played badly.

Once more - I have no attachment to the Seahawks and don't really care who won. I also think that both teams played decent games but far from their best. But come on, you can't seriously think that the officiating was fair. Why do you think it's a topic of discussion on every sports show today? Everybody in the world wanted pittsburgh to win, so you can hardly claim pro-seattle bias. This issue doesn't even come up unless there's some damn questionable officiating.
 
QCassidy352 said:
...Why do you think it's a topic of discussion on every sports show today?...


its only ESPN. no articles on yahoo sports, no overly dramatic columns on SI.com. ESPN wants ratings and they are getting them by discussing the 1/1000 of an inch in a game of inches.
 
Everybody's entitled to their opinion I guess, but to say the refs were responsible for the loss is crazy.

The Ben TD was definitely a touchdown. If you really don't agree, find somebody with Tivo. Hell, even the refs used 'Tivo' on that play.

The offensive PI in the endzone? The ref was five feet away from the guy. I saw PI. So did he.

And as an impartial viewer, I didn't see any calls made that were out of line. Everybody loves to take it out on the refs when their team doesn't win.
 
QCassidy352 said:
That's patently ridiculous. Yes, it's possible to adjust to completely biased calls, but that doesn't make it fair. Why should Seattle be given the burden of overcoming unfair officiating? How about if they made a field that could be tilted several degrees so that when one team had the ball they were always literally going downhill and the other was always going uphill? It's an absurd example, but then again, you're making an absurd argument. If a team is put at an unfair disadvantage because of a factor outside of their control (i.e. the officiating) then they have a legitimate complaint! Just because it's *possible* to win in spite of that doesn't mean that it's fair! My goodness, you don't really believe what you're saying, do you?? :confused:



The whole game changes if things are called differently. There were certainly enough significant bad calls that the game could have easiliy swung in Seattle's favor. And those 2 missed field goals that you love to harp on were for a combined 104 yards - not exactly chip shots, and not exactly proof that the seahawks played badly.

Once more - I have no attachment to the Seahawks and don't really care who won. I also think that both teams played decent games but far from their best. But come on, you can't seriously think that the officiating was fair. Why do you think it's a topic of discussion on every sports show today? Everybody in the world wanted pittsburgh to win, so you can hardly claim pro-seattle bias. This issue doesn't even come up unless there's some damn questionable officiating.

It does not matter. It 2 missed field goals. Even though they where over 100 combine yards. Other wise those both would of been 2 punts or failed 4th down converation and Pistons still get the ball back.


As people have stated time and time again that touchdown people want to take back was good. The ball broke the plain. Barrily but it broke it. If any part of the ball breaks the plane. No matter if it on the ground or not it a touch down.

Suck it up and deal with the fact that the pittsburgh won the game fair and square. The Seahawks played a crappy. and I mean a crappy game.

Out side of the the field goals, you have 2 huge interseptions that I know of that where bad passed put right into the diffenders arms. The Seahawks just did not have any really big plays. Pittsburgh had several huge plays that i know of and that I watch.

You all are just sore loosers. I honestly could careless who won. (hell I didnt know who was even playing until game day). But I watch it. Seahawks did not play at all like a superbowl team. They played complete crap.
 
Timepass said:
It does not matter. It 2 missed field goals. Even though they where over 100 combine yards. Other wise those both would of been 2 punts or failed 4th down converation and Pistons still get the ball back.

Timepass said:
They lost Piston won the game fair and square.

You do understand we're talking about football here, right? Not NBA basketball with the Pistons.
 
Jovian9 said:
The title says it all.



This thread has me FUC***ng FUMING!!

What a bunch of CRAP!!!

I'm really trying to not get myself banned on this site....but I am soo heated by this!

THE ONLY BAD Call was the chop block call on Hasselbeck.

THE DEFENDER PUSHED OFF, that's the rule...

BEN WAS IN...it was close but HE WAS IN, then he pulled the ball back to take the impact.

SEAHAWKS had false start, Holding calls, a TON of dropped passes...

TWO missed field goals...no run game....

Blaming the game on the Refs is just sad...

I'm done with this...before I say something I'll regret..

Maybe the refs were blocking defenders on Willie's amazing record breaking run..

Or maybe the refs were chatting with Seattle's defenders while they got fooled out out their jocks by our trick play...

Maybe the refs were causing Holmgren to call a horrible, 1 dimentional gameplan....


Im done with this...

We won fair and square and saying otherwise is being a sore loser...
 
Timepass said:
You all are just sore loosers. I honestly could careless who won. (hell I didnt know who was even playing until game day). But I watch it. Seahawks did not play at all like a superbowl team. They played complete crap.

quigleybc said:
Im done with this...

We won fair and square and saying otherwise is being a sore loser...

Sore losers? Maybe if I were a seahawks fan... but I couldn't care less who won. My team was knocked out long ago, and I have no particular feelings for either team. I just wanted to see a good game and the refs made that impossible.

Won fair and square? Whatever helps you enjoy the "victory" I guess...

I watched the game, and have been watching replays on ESPN for the last hour... and I stand by my assessments. Quigly, most of the points you bring up are not the controversial calls. Everyone agrees that the fake TD and the 75 yd. run were great plays.

The game was a sham, the officiating was the capper on the terrible officiating throughout the post season, and frankly, I think some of you must have been watching a different game than I was, but whatever.

But I'm with you on one point: I'm done with this. Bring on baseball season.
 
Didn't the Steelers also call time after the play clock expired? Anyone remember that?
 
I am another who was NOT rooting for either team, but for a good game. As a matter of fact I've been playing Madden (video game) since the Sega Genesis days and the Steelers and Seahawks are the 2 teams I've used the most on my seasons/franchises in that game......and Bettis is probably the player I have drafted the most on that game. So needless to say I was glad to see both teams in the Super Bowl. Plus I always root for franchises that do the right thing, which is what Pittsburgh has done by sticking with Cowher all these years (unlike lots of other teams that just fire a coach every year).

To get angry at this discussion only shows that this is a good argument. If it were an awful argument/topic there would not be so many here debating it and there would not be so much coverage about the issue. If you can't handle reasonable debate, turn on your local Steelers channel and enjoy the celebration. There are plenty of places to go to celebrate and enjoy the win
by your team, this is not one of them.

It is widely acknowledged among NFL broadcasters and analysts that a holding call can be made on every play. So why make those calls on big plays for Seattle and take away from the game. Let them play. If the officials are noticed during a game, they have not done their job. Does anyone remember the Colts-Pats playoff game 2 years ago where the Pats secondary was allowed to manhandle the Colts receivers and no pass-interference calls were made (resulting in a rules change before last season)? Well, the officials let them play that game. That should not have been an offensive pass interference call. Especially when you consider that there are never offensive pass interference calls made. Forget what the rules say....the officials dictate the flow of a game by how much they let the players do....and contact between the receiver and defender is something they let go all season long. As a matter of fact, why do you think receivers like Terrell Owens and Steve Smith are such great receivers?.....b/c they are fast and strong....and when they have to they can dish out some contact of their own to get open. Which is how the officials let receivers play all season.

To say this was a fairly officiated game is to ignore the way the game is played and officiated over the entire NFL season.

I am glad the Steelers won and that Cowher and Bettis are now champions. It just should not have happened this way.
 
QCassidy352 said:
That's patently ridiculous. Yes, it's possible to adjust to completely biased calls, but that doesn't make it fair.

So what? It doesn't have to be fair to be part of the game. I went to a Penguins game back in December where there was a phantom goal scored by Calgary. The puck never went in but the goal judge signaled score, making it 1-0. The ref went upstairs for about 10 seconds but never called the Toronto office like he should have. Calgary kept the non-goal and the Penguins lost by that one point.

Now, should that have been a goal? No. Did the Penguins deserve to lose? Yes, because they had two periods to even the score. Same deal here.

The whole game changes if things are called differently. There were certainly enough significant bad calls that the game could have easiliy swung in Seattle's favor.

So? "Could have"? Like I said above, lots of other things "could have" happened too. They didn't. There may have been a dozen holding calls that Seattle never got penalized for that you didn't see. So maybe things "could have" been worse.

You're saying the whole game changes if one or two calls go differently. I'm saying there's no way for you to be able to say that.

But now what would make it okay for you? Would you want the league to take away the win from Pittsburgh and give it to Seattle? Or just take it from Pittsburgh? Maybe have a do-over? What's done is done and you have to deal with it. Same for the Seahawks. They didn't deal with what happened on the field and now they must deal with the loss.
 
cycocelica said:
Yes Skip Bayless is a idiot and should not be a sports writer. Thats not why I posted it, he was the one to call Seattle SeaFrauds and such. He then defends them which i was surprised by.

So? He's just stirring up ****. If the Seahawks had won, he'd still be all over them. If he were on a forum like this he'd get banned for starting fights and trolling. The guy has absolutely no validity.
 
pseudobrit said:
Would you want the league to take away the win from Pittsburgh and give it to Seattle? Or just take it from Pittsburgh? Maybe have a do-over? What's done is done and you have to deal with it. Same for the Seahawks. They didn't deal with what happened on the field and now they must deal with the loss.


Seriously....good point....

There were some iffy calls throughout the play offs , but I've seen much worse..

How about the time Jerome called heads, and the Ref still said he said tails..

Bad calls happen, it's about being a professional and dealing with them.

I take the Steelers very seriously, and I consider this topic to be an insult to what was one of the greatest days of my life.
 
Here is a quote from one of my favorite football sites. They were saying that he nfl needs to change the way the officiate games.

Think about that one for a second. We're doing James Bond sh-t with home electronics and the question of whether a professional football team covers ten yards of turf in four plays or less is still determined by two dudes who supposedly are holding big ugly poles in perfect position.

You can find the article here:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
 
quigleybc said:
I take the Steelers very seriously, and I consider this topic to be an insult to what was one of the greatest days of my life.

I consider all yankee fans to be an insult to humanity :p

ah but yes the superbowl

Boy i can't wait for next weeks Grey's Anatomy, I want to know what happens with a code black.
 
quigleybc said:
I take the Steelers very seriously, and I consider this topic to be an insult to what was one of the greatest days of my life.
Yeah I loved rigged games too. You are right, if I was a Steeler fan I would love this day because my team won on ****** calls by refs.:rolleyes:
 
Great pic I came across.

SteelerZebra.jpg
 
aloofman said:
And I've never seen worse clock management in any game I've ever seen, pro or college.
I couldn't believe it as I watched the game. The end of the first half. Tick-tock, tick-tock. The plodding drive that ended in a Hasselbeck sack - run up the middle, short pass across the middle, etc. Tick tock, tick tock. Such an odd mixture for me of bewilderment & guilty excitement. Sort of like if you went to the Apple Store and they were closed for a Holiday but the door was unlocked. :)

I've seen Holmgren do that before, though. He doesn't seem to know what to do.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Seahawks. Super Bowl losers haven't exactly had the best ensuing years. Philadelphia last year, Carolina year before that, Oakland, St. Louis before that. Can they avoid the slide? Depends on what happens with Shaun Alexander. He mentioned the phrase "80 million reasons" several times. I suppose that means he wants 80 million dollars. That's a big decision for the Seahawks, as it would prevent them from signing some other quality players.

Dave
 
Josh said:
Losing the game is not the worst that can happen in the Superbowl; Wearing a ring for the rest of your life, knowing deep inside that your team didn't deserve, would be much worse.
Oh, please. They'll sleep just fine, thank you. They beat the #1, #2, and #3 seeds in the AFC. They beat the #1 seed in the NFC when they had an off game.

As for the officiating, the only touchdown the Seahawks got was because of a break they got on the interception return. Ben Roethlisberger was pretty obviously blocked in the back, which would've given them the ball at around midfield instead of inside the 25 yard line. It could've been 21-3.
 
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