grahamperrin
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I wouldn't say actively broke.
Notable fall-out from the security policy of El Capitan included Flavours 2. http://flavours.interacto.net/#faq
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I wouldn't say actively broke.
Notable fall-out from the security policy of El Capitan included Flavours 2. http://flavours.interacto.net/#faq
navaira
macrumors 601
Well, as of 10.11.1 many USB soundcards don't work (mine does, fortunately), Cubase doesn't work, XtraFinder half-works even with SIP disabled... Perhaps I just forgot but I don't remember doing a system update and finding out some software just stopped working and there's nothing I can do about it.
grahamperrin
macrumors 601
navaira
macrumors 601
Steinberg are baffled. (Their page is down now.) But IIRC they say that their USB interfaces worked with 10.11 and stopped working again with 10.11.1 "so after all we do not recommend updating to El Capitan". Cubase update is currently planned for end of December (thanks, Obama) but they already rescheduled it once so I wouldn't hold my breath.
XtraFinder is in a perpetual beta state and the dev doesn't exactly answer many questions. Current version on my Macbook tells me SIP is enabled at every restart (it isn't), then proceeds to work correctly (except for the features the dev hasn't worked out yet). On the iMac it just works, but again, without folders on top.
As you know Flavours just ceased to exist. I never used it but reading about it here I ran and downloaded it, only to discover it's not Cappy compatible.
cDock works with SIP disabled, praised be Gods.
I am scared to update VirtualBox for my fiance because I've read that it had problems accessing USB devices on El Capitan, and my fiance uses two USB dongles as hardware keys to his programs. Now I read that 10.11.2 betas have some sort of USB problem again. So my fiance is stuck with Yosemite. According to this thread we are not changing that anytime soon.
That's all the apps I personally had problems with. I'm sure there are others, but since I don't use them I wouldn't know. Must admit I kinda regret updating. I fell for the "bug fixes and no new features" line. So I got no new features and a whole lot of new bugs for my collection. Who knew I would miss 10.10.5.
XtraFinder is in a perpetual beta state and the dev doesn't exactly answer many questions. Current version on my Macbook tells me SIP is enabled at every restart (it isn't), then proceeds to work correctly (except for the features the dev hasn't worked out yet). On the iMac it just works, but again, without folders on top.
As you know Flavours just ceased to exist. I never used it but reading about it here I ran and downloaded it, only to discover it's not Cappy compatible.
cDock works with SIP disabled, praised be Gods.
I am scared to update VirtualBox for my fiance because I've read that it had problems accessing USB devices on El Capitan, and my fiance uses two USB dongles as hardware keys to his programs. Now I read that 10.11.2 betas have some sort of USB problem again. So my fiance is stuck with Yosemite. According to this thread we are not changing that anytime soon.
That's all the apps I personally had problems with. I'm sure there are others, but since I don't use them I wouldn't know. Must admit I kinda regret updating. I fell for the "bug fixes and no new features" line. So I got no new features and a whole lot of new bugs for my collection. Who knew I would miss 10.10.5.
sunapple
macrumors 68040
I started with Leopard, Snow Leopard remained the best most 'OK' version for years.
Lion was a great idea, poorly executed. Mountain Lion felt better and, in my experience, Mavericks was like Snow Leopard all over again.
Yosemite amazed me because I expected it to be like Lion, but it wasn't. El Capitain might be up there with SL and Mavericks again.
Lion was a great idea, poorly executed. Mountain Lion felt better and, in my experience, Mavericks was like Snow Leopard all over again.
Yosemite amazed me because I expected it to be like Lion, but it wasn't. El Capitain might be up there with SL and Mavericks again.
oldmacs
macrumors 603
I skipped 10.0-10.2 and went straight from OS 9 to 10.3, so i can only comment on 10.3 and above
-Mavericks (Worst)
-Panther
-Leopard
-Lion
-El Capitan
-Snow Leopard
-Yosemite
-Mountain Lion
-Tiger (Best)
Loved Lion and Leopard in terms of features but they were slow.
Mavericks was a bloody disaster. El Capitan is good just a bit boring. Snow Leopard was rock solid, but again a bit boring. Yosemite was great, but got slow in the end. Mountain Lion was much better than Lion AND also great with new features and stabltily. Tiger was great. Faster than Panther which I had issues with, and it had a ton of great features.
-Mavericks (Worst)
-Panther
-Leopard
-Lion
-El Capitan
-Snow Leopard
-Yosemite
-Mountain Lion
-Tiger (Best)
Loved Lion and Leopard in terms of features but they were slow.
Mavericks was a bloody disaster. El Capitan is good just a bit boring. Snow Leopard was rock solid, but again a bit boring. Yosemite was great, but got slow in the end. Mountain Lion was much better than Lion AND also great with new features and stabltily. Tiger was great. Faster than Panther which I had issues with, and it had a ton of great features.
oldmacs
macrumors 603
Buggy, slow featureless release. Corrupted 3 of my hard drives, destroyed battery life and an endless garage of wifi issues (across multiple machines). I can cope with a slow release (Lion) as it added a heck ton of new features but Mavericks added so little yet was so buggy. I ended up downgrading multiple family members and having unhappy clients, more so than any other release.
Amongst other issues, I had: The finder hanging frequency, overflow in finder out of sync with the file, spotlight crashes (Frequent), safari suddenly not being able to go forward or back, safari randomly crashing etc etc. I think by the time Yosemite was released, I'd done 6 clean installs of Mavericks.
Haha, SO glad I wasn't the only one, then! Mavericks was definitely a disaster for me as well. Examples for me match yours, as well as Time Machine not working properly, Migration Assistant crashing and forcing a full system shutdown, wallpapers not being preserved after upgrading from a previous system, slow. I did at least 4 reinstalls of Mavericks. It was just... ugh. I didn't understand why so many people loved Mavericks. Yosemite fixed ALL the issues I had.
El Cap kind of reintroduces the same blah feeling that Mavericks brought, but is better. Time Machine's issue is back, though. Ugh. Filed a bug report at bugreporter.apple.com. Hoping 10.12 will bring back what Yosemite brought onboard, because I really LOVED Yosemite.
Only reason I'm sticking with El Cap is because of the support for Live Photos in Photos.app. Otherwise, I'd just stick with Yosemite.
grahamperrin
macrumors 601
Interesting, http://web.archive.org/web/20151027015753/http://www.apple.com/osx/all-features/ "refines the elegant experience introduced in OS X Yosemite" was originally http://web.archive.org/web/20141018235327/http://www.apple.com/osx/all-features "introduces a beautiful new design, useful new connections between your Mac and iOS devices, and amazing new features for the apps you use most.".
Neither edition of the page mentions security, Apple's approach to which proved problematic to some developers.
I doubt that HFS Plus in Mavericks was any more, any less prone to corruption than HFS Plus in Mountain Lion.
What do you mean by corruption?
navaira
macrumors 601
Whoa. Almost makes me wonder if they were developing two concurrent OSes. What new design?! I'd like to see that. (Unless it's more Ive-flat-white-crayons stuff, then I wouldn't.)
oldmacs
macrumors 603
As in within 24 hours of first installing Mavericks, my 6 month old HDD became 'unrepairable by Disk Utility' and non bootable. I had done all the disk checks before upgrading and it was perfectly healthy. The same thing happened with the replacement HDD, and then I had the same thing happen to at least 1 and I think 2 external HDs on another Mac, and the internal HD of an iMac, all within a month or so of installing Mavericks.
navaira
macrumors 601
grahamperrin
macrumors 601
If Disk Utility performed those checks: please note, it's impossible to perform a thorough check with that utility.
mrsir2009
macrumors 604
Seemed to get better and better till Snow Leopard then levelled off there. I like some of the new features that have been put in since then, but SL was the peak in terms of performance.
The survey needs to be updated to include El Capitan. I'm curious what people think about it compared to that lovely work of artistic creation known as Yosemite....which I see is second only to Lion in the "worst" category.
throAU
macrumors G4
I haven't had any real problems with el cap.
I am running it on both of the MacBooks in my sig and it runs OK. Sure, if you don't have an SSD i can see it would suck, it boots way slower than say mavericks did on the 2011 machine, even with the hybrid drive in it...
It's still way, way better than Lion was.
AFEPPL
macrumors 68030
Praetorian®
macrumors regular
For me the worst was Lion, there were hundreds of small issues that made it impossible to use without an increased blood pressure.
The best on the other way was Leopard in on of the last updates (I think it was 10.5.8). My old white MacBook could run literally for months without being slow, unstable or behave any differently. I have to say that the last version of El Capitan (10.11.3) is pretty close on my MacBook Air. It just works.
The best on the other way was Leopard in on of the last updates (I think it was 10.5.8). My old white MacBook could run literally for months without being slow, unstable or behave any differently. I have to say that the last version of El Capitan (10.11.3) is pretty close on my MacBook Air. It just works.
MrAverigeUser
macrumors 6502a
THANK YOU to the Thread-Opener and ALL members posting here !!
This Thread gives some good idea of what was happening with the OSX-line.
I was searching EXACTLY for a Thread like this to know more about this and I hope many more Users will bring in their personal experience and judgement.
As for me, I cannot vote because I had a lot of luck and I was always very prudent:
switched from the Windows world in 2008, by chance with Snow Leopard and stayed happy with it until one year ago.
Updated to ML in 2015 and I am still happy. So happily no "experience" with all the issues I read about with all the other OSX..
But I´d give a very good judgement for both SL and ML.
I always ask PROFESSIONALS doing nothing but service for apple equipment to tell me what THEY think was the best in terms of STABILITY. And even they didn´t recommend for a long time the last 3 OSX releases at all. Thank them for their honesty! Their will to share their experience with me saved me a lot of lifetime preventing all the anger - this is regularly confirmed when I read about all the issues with the "fantastic new OSX 10.xx.xx" .
This method works very good with everything: If you need the best lawyer, ask a judge to tell you what lawyer he´d chose, if you want to buy a new car, don´t trust the vendor, go to a service-enterprise and ask them about their experience with the new model, and so on..
My method: "NEVER EVER buy a car or switch to a new Software/OS or anything as product of importance before at least one year has passed.. " works well. No need to be "early adopter" which too often ends up in being masochist losing a lot of time and money as well...
The last time the servicemen (of an apple-certified enterprise mostly doing service for professionals) talked with me (two months ago while 3 MBPs of me and my friends were running the test to exclude the infamous GPU-issues, so we had some time enough) they stated that "NOW" the last version of Mavericks should work.
So - after being well with SL and ML - I did a research to know about the newer OSX-versions here, particularly for Mavericks….
Some remarks:
- Everyone should tell on what version of the concerned OSX-Type she/he based his/her judgement.
- Since the latest OSX are more and more bloody and reckless beta testing on the shoulders of the customers it would be logical to judge on nothing but the "expired" OSX, as i.e. 10.6.8, 10.8.5 and so on. Because apple seemingly is more and more incapable to release mature Operation systems. I´d cal it the "banana-method" as bananas are shipped premature and they get mature after purchase in the hands of the customer…
- As there are very different opinions about Mavericks I am still thinking I will stay with the last version of ML (10.8.5) working smooth and flawless on my upgraded "old" apple machines - as I stay with IOS7 as well…
Thanks again
This Thread gives some good idea of what was happening with the OSX-line.
I was searching EXACTLY for a Thread like this to know more about this and I hope many more Users will bring in their personal experience and judgement.
As for me, I cannot vote because I had a lot of luck and I was always very prudent:
switched from the Windows world in 2008, by chance with Snow Leopard and stayed happy with it until one year ago.
Updated to ML in 2015 and I am still happy. So happily no "experience" with all the issues I read about with all the other OSX..
But I´d give a very good judgement for both SL and ML.
I always ask PROFESSIONALS doing nothing but service for apple equipment to tell me what THEY think was the best in terms of STABILITY. And even they didn´t recommend for a long time the last 3 OSX releases at all. Thank them for their honesty! Their will to share their experience with me saved me a lot of lifetime preventing all the anger - this is regularly confirmed when I read about all the issues with the "fantastic new OSX 10.xx.xx" .
This method works very good with everything: If you need the best lawyer, ask a judge to tell you what lawyer he´d chose, if you want to buy a new car, don´t trust the vendor, go to a service-enterprise and ask them about their experience with the new model, and so on..
My method: "NEVER EVER buy a car or switch to a new Software/OS or anything as product of importance before at least one year has passed.. " works well. No need to be "early adopter" which too often ends up in being masochist losing a lot of time and money as well...
The last time the servicemen (of an apple-certified enterprise mostly doing service for professionals) talked with me (two months ago while 3 MBPs of me and my friends were running the test to exclude the infamous GPU-issues, so we had some time enough) they stated that "NOW" the last version of Mavericks should work.
So - after being well with SL and ML - I did a research to know about the newer OSX-versions here, particularly for Mavericks….
Some remarks:
- Everyone should tell on what version of the concerned OSX-Type she/he based his/her judgement.
- Since the latest OSX are more and more bloody and reckless beta testing on the shoulders of the customers it would be logical to judge on nothing but the "expired" OSX, as i.e. 10.6.8, 10.8.5 and so on. Because apple seemingly is more and more incapable to release mature Operation systems. I´d cal it the "banana-method" as bananas are shipped premature and they get mature after purchase in the hands of the customer…
- As there are very different opinions about Mavericks I am still thinking I will stay with the last version of ML (10.8.5) working smooth and flawless on my upgraded "old" apple machines - as I stay with IOS7 as well…
Thanks again
I like the way you think.
I have similar point of view, I value stability over new features. Most of my clients use Macs and based on that experience I concur most solid releases have been 10.6.8 and 10.8.5. 10.9.5 Mavericks seems to be more reliable than later OS versions.
I haven't talked with enough Apple service professionals to come to a comprehensive conclusion but those I talked with concur that installing latest OS X versions may not be the best idea if stability is paramount.
Since 10.8.5 works for you why take any changes with later OS versions?
I couldn't stand Yosemite. El Capitan brought back some slight 3D effects to the GUI. I replaced the butt-ugly bright turquoise icons in Yosemite and El Capitan with ones from Mavericks. I installed cDock to tailor El Capitan to my own liking. Jony "Stick-Figure" Ive's washed out, glaring white everywhere, with fonts so thin and small only someone with 20/20 vision could read them are gone on El Capitan. For all practical purposes it appears almost as if the current designers might have actually listened to the appearance complaints about Yosemite and they may be regressing them some.
I can tolerate El Capitan, but only with the mods I've just mentioned.
I can tolerate El Capitan, but only with the mods I've just mentioned.
buttongerald
macrumors 6502
Of all of the releases of OS X that I have use, which starts with Panther to now, El Capitan has been the worst for me. I find it extremely buggy, and opening certain apps is an absolute chore. Yosemite wasn't to bad but I just 2 days ago reverted back to Mavericks. And I am once again a "happy" mac user.
As for a favorite? Leopard. Hands down. It was the first OS I ever outright bought from Apple as my machines prior came pre-installed with Panther and Tiger. I remember being hyped for it so much and when I got it I had zero issues with it, and I loved it. An updated UI, TONS of new features, and it ran faster on my then last generation white iMac than Tiger did.
As for a favorite? Leopard. Hands down. It was the first OS I ever outright bought from Apple as my machines prior came pre-installed with Panther and Tiger. I remember being hyped for it so much and when I got it I had zero issues with it, and I loved it. An updated UI, TONS of new features, and it ran faster on my then last generation white iMac than Tiger did.