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Dang dude. If it takes you an entire week to set up Windows XP, then seriously, consider the time you spend working on that as opposed to getting a Mac for yourself.

I have installed (physically) an AMD box along with formatting and settings and s/w installations (Office 2k3, Photoshop, games, etc.) all in about a day's work. I don't understand how it can take an entire week to setup.

I scan for spyware now and then, defrag, and get the usual video card updates every several months (or less, depending on ATi's driver development cycle).

I don't see the need to replace your partition with a new one every week. Assuming you aren't constantly installing useless "CNET/Download.com" utilities, your registry should be clean.

If the programs you DO install are finicky, clean it up with JV16 PowerTools (again, doesn't take more than a few minutes to search and find obsolete registry strings--it will scan it for you).
 
hehe, i think mine is probably an older version (like May-June of 2003)...which is why i didn't have to pay for it.

I just checked, i have version 1.3 (the last version that was free, if you can't find it I can still send it for those who want to try it out).

Obviously if you want the newer one (with updates) you should get 1.4...

Now that i actually have a checking account, i think i might seriously consider purchasing it.
 
all the complaints about the windows wizard made me think of this...

wizard is basically window's way of saying "you can ask me to do any task you want as long as i'm allowed to give you only options i know how to handle properly."
 
Mav451, can you please email me JV16 PowerTools the free version 1.3 that you got please as unless AdAware does the same thing I think that I'll be needing it.

OK I've owned many PC systems including my current & only one a Dell 2.0Ghz P4 400Mhz system bus.

I've got several points but please before you bash me; know this, I work mostly as an A/P, A/R, administrative clerk by profession, and soon as technical support for T-Mobile I hope.

1) As many in the know have mentioned is the Registery!!!! This is more dangerous than Trojans or the typical virus ; to me at least. To many uninstalls from apps that just didn't work (my girlfriend with Sims ad-ons from IRC and official websites that truely are bugos).

2) The Registry takes it again. This time when I had Win200Pro running it was flawless for the most part, yet when I upgrade to WinXP Pro I 've got double user folders including Administrator which the originals from Win2K I couldn't browse anymore - this comming from the gorilla itself. Now a full HDD format and onto a clean XP Pro.

3) Going to sites that spoof to hide true links and pop-ups but its solve with Firebird UNLESS I must goto my banks site (Canadian, only scotiabank works). I want ALL SITES to follow WC3 standards!!

4) my last and biggest gripe VIDEO drivers for an imbedded video chip supplied both from Intel & Dell on the Dell driver CD. Why in hell when I do a full format and start to detect hardware does it give me the lowest 640*320 resolution?? THis is XP Pro!! Now when I install the driver I must of course reboot, but when I do I get a blurry screen thats resolution/Hz/color bit are ALL to high, HIGHER than my screen or video chip will support (No DVI or ADC connection just the old analog standard here)!!

I have to remember how many tabs, right arrow key presses up down arrow key presses I must do from first pressing the MS Start key on my keyboard to get back to my 800*600 screen resolution at 60Hz and and 16-bit color!! ONE KEY Press off and I get soOOOoo cursive and fustrated that my family is afraid of me for hours!!!!

Another reason I'm getting a PowerMac in just a few months time and I will never look back UNLESS I see a better easier more pleasant and FUN alternative to my digital life dependancies.

5) also did I mention that my USB ports were inactive when I upgraded Win2KPro to WinXP Pro; rediculous & propostrous!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
As a mac user I am embarrassed by many of your comments. Many of you are ignorant. Ok, so windows is inferior to apple, but don't just say you hate something that you don't know about. Many of the things you hate are easily changed or avoided. If you cant use windows properly, it is not necessarily Mircosoft's fault. Yea, they can improve things, but learn what is there. People want to be able to change their settings, then complain when there are too many settings to change. And don't complain about the registry. Learn how to use it to your advantage.

Sorry to sound mean or like I'm defending MS or something else, but I'm a comp sci major who uses many different os' for different tasks. Solaris, Windows, OS X, Linux. They all are good for certain things. Just because they don't fit your style doesn't make them bad or useless. Going along the same lines as what many of you said, I could make just as big of a list for osx. But I accept apple for what they give me. Just as I accept MS for what the give me. If every os adapted, they'd all be the same. What would be the point of that?
 
Originally posted by grapes911
As a mac user I am embarrassed by many of your comments. Many of you are ignorant. Ok, so windows is inferior to apple, but don't just say you hate something that you don't know about. Many of the things you hate are easily changed or avoided. If you cant use windows properly, it is not necessarily Mircosoft's fault. Yea, they can improve things, but learn what is there. People want to be able to change their settings, then complain when there are too many settings to change. And don't complain about the registry. Learn how to use it to your advantage.

Sorry to sound mean or like I'm defending MS or something else, but I'm a comp sci major who uses many different os' for different tasks. Solaris, Windows, OS X, Linux. They all are good for certain things. Just because they don't fit your style doesn't make them bad or useless. Going along the same lines as what many of you said, I could make just as big of a list for osx. But I accept apple for what they give me. Just as I accept MS for what the give me. If every os adapted, they'd all be the same. What would be the point of that?

um, "learn how to use the registry??" what the heck does that mean? why do we have to pay for an OS that needs OUR help to keep itself from being corrupted?

that's why we don't like registry. because we have to tip toe around it and "learn" how to use it. notice that this thread is about what we don't like about XP - and we don't like that registry needs our help. what's ignorant about this? :rolleyes:

if we had a thread about what we don't like about quantum physics and some of us posted that we don't like quantum physics because it's too abstract and difficult to understand, are you going to tell those people that you shouldn't say you don't like something because you are not smart enough?
 
Originally posted by grapes911
Sorry to sound mean or like I'm defending MS or something else, but I'm a comp sci major who uses many different os' for different tasks. Solaris, Windows, OS X, Linux. They all are good for certain things. Just because they don't fit your style doesn't make them bad or useless. Going along the same lines as what many of you said, I could make just as big of a list for osx. But I accept apple for what they give me. Just as I accept MS for what the give me. If every os adapted, they'd all be the same. What would be the point of that?

Well said.
 
Originally posted by grapes911
As a mac user I am embarrassed by many of your comments. Many of you are ignorant. Ok, so windows is inferior to apple, but don't just say you hate something that you don't know about. Many of the things you hate are easily changed or avoided. If you cant use windows properly, it is not necessarily Mircosoft's fault. Yea, they can improve things, but learn what is there. People want to be able to change their settings, then complain when there are too many settings to change. And don't complain about the registry. Learn how to use it to your advantage.

Sorry to sound mean or like I'm defending MS or something else, but I'm a comp sci major who uses many different os' for different tasks. Solaris, Windows, OS X, Linux. They all are good for certain things. Just because they don't fit your style doesn't make them bad or useless. Going along the same lines as what many of you said, I could make just as big of a list for osx. But I accept apple for what they give me. Just as I accept MS for what the give me. If every os adapted, they'd all be the same. What would be the point of that?

Oh you're a computer science major, excuse me while I go hang my hat. First, and someone has already mentioned this, this thread is about stuff we don't like about Windows XP.
Second, many of the flaws others have pointed out are valid flaws that affect Windows and Windows XP that are bad design. I agree that Windows can even be—shudder—useful for certain tasks, but it still exhibits serious flaws for the average user. You are a power user who has enough experience to deal with the daily/weekly/monthly maintainence tasks that Windows requires to run.
I think software updates and the occassional disk utility are something every user should do, but to tread lightly around the registry, worry constantly about anti-virus, and have several different places for settings, not to mention the several annoying variations of clippy sucks. The fact that there are a dozen aftermarket apps, at least, to turn these off just indicates how badly Windows is designed.
Solaris, Red Hat, and OSX manage to work without all the above, so why can't Windows XP?
 
the grapes 911 guy totaly screwed his point up in the fact that his post indicates you need a degree in computer science to get a useable os.

as a 15 year old who likes to fiddle with the inerds of there os, osx rules in that respect

can anyone acctually think of somthing that is good in windows seriously? (excluding games)


sorry for changeing the direction of the thread but all these windows guys are always defending it windows, they may have good reasons i dont know

lets hear them
 
Originally posted by Westside guy

Okay on #2 I am being more serious (although I honestly do hate those clown colors!). This is not specific to XP, but I hate the way Microsoft sacrifices OS security for the sake of leveraging their monopoly into other areas (they've done a good job of spinning this into "security vs. features", but in reality it's got little to do with features!). The DCOM bug is the biggest glaring example of this. No one other than Microsoft wanted DCOM, but MS didn't want to go with industry-preferred CORBA - so they come up with DCOM, enable it by default (even though it's not used by most anyone) and BLAM!

Another example, the SQL-slammer stuff - it's bad enough to include a simplified version of MS-SQL in desktop products, but why leave the SQL port open on them as well?

And last but not least... can you say "ActiveX"? And why the heck is IE hooked into the operating system itself? (yes, that's a rhetorical question)

I might suggest taking a look at Windows XP Service Pack 2. Here is what they have planned for SP2:

Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta first look

Under normal circumstances you wouldn't give a crap about reviewing a service pack. This one does enough to enhance security that it's worth a read.
 
The battleship is turning...

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
I might suggest taking a look at Windows XP Service Pack 2. Here is what they have planned for SP2:

Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta first look

Under normal circumstances you wouldn't give a crap about reviewing a service pack. This one does enough to enhance security that it's worth a read.

Well, the interface still stinks, and I don't think the general computer user will figure out the firewall, but on the whole this looks like a good update to Windows. Apple needs to add into its Software Update the ability to pause and restart downloads, but otherwise Windows is just adding into XP things Jaguar could do.
I'm glad they have tried to lock down the RBC call and HTML preview, but I noticed the system to keep extensions from running only works on AMD's 64-bit chip, and that would stop things like MyDoom from running rampant.
It appears as if old Bismark is finally turning to broadsides.
 
I don't know first hand at this, but one of my Windows eXPerienced friends told me that type certain 'special' characters with Windows is like Alt-(three digit code). Whereas on the Mac OS, it's option-(letter that is generally related to the 'special' character). Seems like that could be a real pain in the ass!
 
All you do is open Character Map. When you mouse over the character you want, a little pop up tells you what combination will obtain that particular character.
 
Originally posted by Prom1
Mav451, can you please email me JV16 PowerTools the free version 1.3 that you got please as unless AdAware does the same thing I think that I'll be needing it.

OK I've owned many PC systems including my current & only one a Dell 2.0Ghz P4 400Mhz system bus.

I've got several points but please before you bash me; know this, I work mostly as an A/P, A/R, administrative clerk by profession, and soon as technical support for T-Mobile I hope.

1) As many in the know have mentioned is the Registery!!!! This is more dangerous than Trojans or the typical virus ; to me at least. To many uninstalls from apps that just didn't work (my girlfriend with Sims ad-ons from IRC and official websites that truely are bugos).

2) The Registry takes it again. This time when I had Win200Pro running it was flawless for the most part, yet when I upgrade to WinXP Pro I 've got double user folders including Administrator which the originals from Win2K I couldn't browse anymore - this comming from the gorilla itself. Now a full HDD format and onto a clean XP Pro.

3) Going to sites that spoof to hide true links and pop-ups but its solve with Firebird UNLESS I must goto my banks site (Canadian, only scotiabank works). I want ALL SITES to follow WC3 standards!!

4) my last and biggest gripe VIDEO drivers for an imbedded video chip supplied both from Intel & Dell on the Dell driver CD. Why in hell when I do a full format and start to detect hardware does it give me the lowest 640*320 resolution?? THis is XP Pro!! Now when I install the driver I must of course reboot, but when I do I get a blurry screen thats resolution/Hz/color bit are ALL to high, HIGHER than my screen or video chip will support (No DVI or ADC connection just the old analog standard here)!!

I have to remember how many tabs, right arrow key presses up down arrow key presses I must do from first pressing the MS Start key on my keyboard to get back to my 800*600 screen resolution at 60Hz and and 16-bit color!! ONE KEY Press off and I get soOOOoo cursive and fustrated that my family is afraid of me for hours!!!!

Another reason I'm getting a PowerMac in just a few months time and I will never look back UNLESS I see a better easier more pleasant and FUN alternative to my digital life dependancies.

5) also did I mention that my USB ports were inactive when I upgraded Win2KPro to WinXP Pro; rediculous & propostrous!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

heh, slow down sir, one a time.

#1: The fault of the USB ports is entirely on the Dell box. This is b/c they were probably disabled in the BIOS. I doubt anything of it has anything to do with WinXP

Which brings me to my next point.

#2: Never, in my right mind, with M$oft software, ever just upgrade from 98 >> 2k, or 2k >> XP Pro ( i thought 98 to 2k wuz worse). Too many areas that the installation could go wrong--motherboard drivers going crazy for one is simple something I do not have time for.

#3: Formating for this is not only easier, but also faster. Moving motherboards? Format (formatting does not take more than an hour or so, installation another hour or so). Those 2 hours are more well-spent than spending days/nights trying to troubleshoot the upgrade process, when a clean one would have been DONE and OVER with.

#4: It is EXTREMELY dangerous to just mindlessly d/l games over IRC or the internet when you know they are bogus--and yet you continued to let her do so when you knew the consequences? Many games/cracks out there will hide trojans in the exes...please beware. Careless install/uninstalling of these "games" will clog your registry if its done several times a day.

#5: Your problems in 2 are all solved with a clean format. If it seems like i'm repeating myself over clean format (do not upgrade) speech, that's because i am stressing how important it is.

#6: I really have no idea what you are talking about with your desktop resolution. I have never dealt with that problem using my stand alone Radeon 8500...you mention DVI...b/c you have an LCD perhaps?
 
Many of you did not get what i was trying to say. I take the blame for not explaining well.

First, I was saying i was a comp sci major as why i use xp. If I wasn't, i'd probably never use it except for games.

Sencond, the registry does not need your help, except to not install stupid stuff. I use the registry to do many tweeks instread of getting 3rd party software. There are many things in there that cannot be done otherwise. The registry is supposed to take some time to learn. That way people who don't konw if well won't play with it. You can really screw up your pc if you don't know what you are doing. Think of it as the terminal in os x. It takes some time to learn, but so much more can be done.

And I'm in no way a "windows guy." I love os x and gentoo (on my pc). I think everyone should have a mac.

The real reason I wrote my post was to get accross the point that almost everything that people said they don't like has use. It just not might be useful for them or they don't see its use.
 
I’m a PC user who's been seriously considering picking up a powerbook for some time now (saving up is so very painful)

Threads like this make me wonder if it's really the right thing for me to do,

People always talk about how easy macOS is, how it never crashes and how it's faster, and this really appeals to me, I would want nothing more then to be able to play with a new OS, new hardware, new features, a whole new platform...

However

Everyone here seems to point out lots of problems with windowsXP and PC's in general - the vast majority of them however are simple 2 second fixes or the result of user error, this scares me because I see people bashing OSX on pc forums because they have the same types of problems on the Mac side of things, about how they couldn’t figure out how to boot off a cd, or how the OS gave them some simple error that they couldn’t figure out so they just threw their hands in the air and said "MACS SUCK!"

I start to worry that all of the great things about Mac’s may simply be 90% ignorance (no offense anyone)

Yes, you can buy your Mac and plug it in and it just works, and maybe that's where the allure is, maybe people like it being just that easy, and maybe that's why everyone thinks Mac’s are so stable - you don’t really have to do any research, you just plug it in and turn it on, for sure this is a better platform for the average person, but for a hardcore geek that loves to build, upgrade, mod, overclock everything I see maybe I will be let down by macOS :(

my PC (AMD 2500+ @ 3400+) and all of the systems I’ve built before it have NEVER given me a problem, I’ve never had hardware compatibility issues because I do tons of homework before I buy anything, I have never had a problem with windows crashing or locking up, or bluescreening, because I know how to run my system, i've never run antivirus software and I have never had a virus... sure it's quite a bit more "work" then just plugging it in and turning it on, but I like to know about every part inside my box, and what every file does, I know that if there is a problem it’s because somewhere, even indirectly I had done something wrong. to me windowsXP is not about babysitting the system it's about having controle over everything i do.

So is the “simplicity” that is involved with a Mac really what makes it so great? Will someone that does not mind putting forth the time and effort to learn as much as he can about what he’s working with see a benefit with macOS? Did most of you switch because you where just sick of PC’s and windows and just wanted less of a headache every time you used your computer? Is OSX really GREAT or is windowsXP just really really bad to most people here?

Thanks for the input everyone, I read these forums religiously as I save up, absorbing as much info as I can =) – this is not a mac bash by any means, it’s more of a call for help
 
Originally posted by grapes911
Second, the registry does not need your help, except to not install stupid stuff.

define "stupid stuff" please. and you can't say "registry does not need your help" and follow that up with "except." so it does need my help afterall.

again, why is it my responsibility to know what "stupid stuff" is? shouldn't OS be robust enough that "stupid stuff" won't compromise it?

can i install similar "stupid stuff" on OS X and not mess up the system?

anyway, this is one of the reasons why i don't like windows - XP is definitely better than 9x but once bitten twice shy. windows better EARN my confidence back - because i am simply not willing to give them a second look because the first was just awful.
 
Originally posted by linky
I’m a PC user who's been seriously considering picking up a powerbook for some time now...Threads like this make me wonder if it's really the right thing for me to do...People always talk about how easy macOS is, how it never crashes and how it's faster, and this really appeals to me, I would want nothing more then to be able to play with a new OS, new hardware, new features, a whole new platform...
Everyone here seems to point out lots of problems with windowsXP and PC's in general - the vast majority of them however are simple 2 second fixes or the result of user error... start to worry that all of the great things about Mac’s may simply be 90% ignorance (no offense anyone)...Yes, you can buy your Mac and plug it in and it just works, and maybe that's where the allure is, maybe people like it being just that easy, and maybe that's why everyone thinks Mac’s are so stable - you don’t really have to do any research, you just plug it in and turn it on, for sure this is a better platform for the average person, but for a hardcore geek that loves to build, upgrade, mod, overclock everything I see maybe I will be let down by macOS....i've never run antivirus software and I have never had a virus... sure it's quite a bit more "work" then just plugging it in and turning it on, but I like to know about every part inside my box, and what every file does, I know that if there is a problem it’s because somewhere, even indirectly I had done something wrong. to me windowsXP is not about babysitting the system it's about having controle over everything i do.

First, I have been a long term Mac user, however I also use a Windows 2K and XP box at work as well as a Red Hat box. I think my experience, while not as wide as others, at least does cover most computer users.
Here's the deal, the MacOS is based on Darwin which is based on UNIX, the hard-core mainframe code that runs the really important stuff (like NASA). MacOS is a GUI on top of that really powerful system and as such it fits the best of both words. Hooking a camera up, to use one of the 'Switcher' commercial examples, should be a matter of plugging the USB cable into the Mac. No drivers, no downloads, no error messages that cannot be devined but by the people who wrote the code. However, if you want to enable SSH, Apache, use Perl, Compile code using X11, create a website using Dreamweaver, connect to a network, or built your own. Create a small cluster computing network, etc. You can also do this.
My point is, at least for me, my Mac makes things that should be easy, easy and things that should be hard easy. The Mac is an M1 tank you granny could drive, its a particle accelerator a teenager could use.
My problem with Windows is the registry (I have other problems too, such as security, the ugly interface, etc.) which entails me to fiddle with it because when I hooked up a scanner Adobe Acrobat stopped working properly.:rolleyes:
My Mac used the scanner and everything continued to work, but if I want to going into the CLIE (known as Terminal) I can make the machine do some very interesting things.
Apple's machines can be used as simple word processors or as all-in-one DV editing suites, they can be used with BLAST to work on cancer research, and 2,100 G5s created the 3rd fastest Supercomputer on the planet.
As for security problems, I can say that you will be even safer than you are now, and frankly you've been lucky with the viruses, MSBlast with the RBC call could have become a problem I would say you've dodged a bullet, however I would also note that these attacks are getting worse each year. One can argue whether this is because of Microsoft's presence in the market or because of bad coding, and they can also argue that the Mac is safer because they are rare, but either way right now every Mac user is safer than the average Windows user.
Just think, instead of spending all that time researching for parts, fiddling with the registry, and downloading update after update you could make a movie using iMovie, or send pictures to friends and family using iPhoto, or go read a book while an iTunes playlist pumps out your favorite 50 songs in random order. Or set up a cluster using Xgrid using all the Macs in your house.
With every exposure to Windows I find my Mac that much better.
 
Mav451, THank you very much for your post, seriously.

I should've known better but hey my girlfriend is still learning about using the computer, kinda like a child's new toy. She's better at surfing when it comes to searches and her editing documents is superior to mine, but I'd liek to encourage her not hinder her.

Yes indeed the BIOS was setup to allow USB to work including emulation; had no idea what exactly that meant to I toggled it on and off for individual Win2K to XP PRo upgrades and reboots to no avail on solving the situation. Oh yeah mister computer science major grapes911 explain to my why this happens???? All drivers of note for USB and other Intel chipsets were up to date as of time of this upgrade : either from my Dell support/driver CD, Microsoft update/driver update, and from INtel themselves and STILL nothing solved the problem.

Yes I am positive the USB ports work, how? I did format and do a clean install of WinXP Pro and it just decided to work!!!!!

Grapes911 I'm glad you selected your career path because I personally don't want to fix my computer on a weekly basis. The registry; I agree that its difficult to figure out for a reason, but I feel it shouldn't be as archane as it is to deter me to find out why strange this happen.

examples. I've installed a retail version of SIMS on my computer for my girlfriend after a clean boot to remove the bootleg version. And when I remove it I told it to completely remove all files associated with it. Given that some files are shared with the system; the program STILL did NOT remove saved game files, game folder in program files, nor various components that the game itself needs to be played. What on Earth am I going to need these useless files for when I've already UN-installed this game??? This to me, an experienced user not a novice/beginner/ yet almost a poweruser on Windows, is completely stupid! Furthermore using IE to surf and have my kids play java or Flash/Shockwave games within the browser and internet settings to "Medium" (only to allow the site to update the window games) still somehow allows for pop ups and other crap to secretly install onto our computer, and under LIMITED USER login, not me the administrator!! I know only when I run AdAware to remove these strange components (data mining apps, and my definition of crap: those highlighted text on ANY site that isn't part of thats sites makeup telling me AOL has USB (underlined) ports on sale or site A/B/C has them). I've almost got Mozilla working properly for my kids to play these online Flash/Java games on sites like Nickelodeon.com or Powerpuffgirls.com etc.

I bought my computer to do my work, practice my office skills, entertain my family and update theirs, and to surf the internet for all of the above and for research. I shouldn't have to have X-Ray vision to prevent datamining on my system with a MS product. When I remove an application I expect all of it to be removed when I tell it to do so-> especially if this applications company has worked closely with Microsoft to get it tested and to the market on the world's most heavily used OS. From all that I've experienced using Windows OS' its worse then telling my head-strong son to go to bed; he's got nuff excuses and arguements not to go when I try getting him too!;) .

Linky mentioned something along the lines of ignorance of not knowing how to use their computer to their full potential. I've used Mac OS X (10.1.5) and that OS does things, more things properly than XP Pro SP1. When you remove a program drag and drop it and its GONE, no remnants left in the registry!! I'm a Bookkeeper/Administrative Clerk by trade and a PDA/Cellphone enthusiast. I don't want a degree in computer science to use my computer properly and get it working properly the way "I" or my "family" uses it, nor should I have to!!!!
:p

Most people here know what I'm talking about because they've experienced WinXP and Mac OS X. lastly I think its more a geek/user mentality on the two different OS. I saw an Apple commercial that highlighted it best, the one about the presentation. This dude is try to do a presentation for the suits using a windows computer and it goes haywire. He apologizes and states he's just updated to the new OS and it should work. The crowd unapologetically starts blurting out solutions for him to get his computer working again for the presentation; and with each suggestion there is a denial that the previous one will work. Sorry, I've been there done that. Sure we all need help at computers but it shouldn't be for removing software and getting ports to work properly when they previously did.

Cheers
 
hulugu, i thank you for the reply - in my original post i failed to even mention that i am a big *nix guy, i run both freeBSD and slackware, bsd on the servers and slack on my play machine

my concern now is that i actually enjoy doing the technical stuff, i very rarely have a problem that can not be solved with a quick download or tweek, as far as the virus's go i dont really concider myself lucky, i consider myself prepaired, i do not need to run antivirus software because i dont open notavirus.exe when one pops up in my email, I dont have to worry about blaster because if i dont specificly set the cisco to foward a port to me i never see it

these are the kind of things do not bother me at all, the only problems i have ever had with software is when i'm dealing with either "in home" software that was writen for a corporation or platform that i am trying to adapt, or when i deal with "cheap" software that's just writen poorly :\

I think i really need to try it for myself, i've played with my friends powerbooks but they where old/slow - my real concern at this point is that i am going to spend close to 3,000$ on a powerbook and i worry it wont be powerfull enough for me (i'm spoiled) :D
 
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