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I picked up a base model M4 Mac Mini following the move as I am currently sitting in the living room/dining room until we convert the garage and my PC is a noisy beast and well does not get the WAF, so got a base mac mini, which will go to the wife, but it does what I want it to do but need more performace for some things, which is why waiting for the M5 studio to come out as with the pro mini by the time you add the extra cpu/gpu and memmory your up close to a base studio anyway,
 
Kinda confused. Not once in your post, did you mention Mac mini, and yet so many of the responses talked about that particular model! ...
It's implicit: this thread was started in the Mac mini sub-forum, and it's typically assumed that most conversations started in this sub are going to be expecting responses related to minis.
 
Will it?

I just don't see a slower laptop that does less is going to be a draw for people. Apple already has a the MacBook Air at 999, if they go lower with less they risk tarnishing their premium brand. What is the market for that?

An A19 laptop running macOS will still be much faster (especially in terms of light load responsiveness - which is what most laptops need) than the majority of the PC business laptops out there running Windows 11 on intel integrated graphics.
 
I picked up a base model M4 Mac Mini following the move as I am currently sitting in the living room/dining room until we convert the garage and my PC is a noisy beast and well does not get the WAF, so got a base mac mini, which will go to the wife, but it does what I want it to do but need more performace for some things, which is why waiting for the M5 studio to come out as with the pro mini by the time you add the extra cpu/gpu and memmory your up close to a base studio anyway,
Weird edge case when looking at the configurations available on the M4 Pro Mini vs the M4 Mini - you have a choice of 24Gb on the M4 Pro but have to pay £400 to go to 48Gb (no 36Gb option!). So for £1799 you could have an M4 Pro with 48Gb RAM (and 512Gb storage) whereas if you don't need to pay that much a basic M4 Max Mac Studio runs you to £2099 and that has 36Gb of RAM and loads more cores etc (the same 512Gb storage). And there's 10Gig Ethernet on the Studio which is an optional extra on the Mini.

Whereas on the M4 you can pick 24Gb or 32Gb but no more ram after that.
 
Weird edge case when looking at the configurations available on the M4 Pro Mini vs the M4 Mini - you have a choice of 24Gb on the M4 Pro but have to pay £400 to go to 48Gb (no 36Gb option!). So for £1799 you could have an M4 Pro with 48Gb RAM (and 512Gb storage) whereas if you don't need to pay that much a basic M4 Max Mac Studio runs you to £2099 and that has 36Gb of RAM and loads more cores etc (the same 512Gb storage). And there's 10Gig Ethernet on the Studio which is an optional extra on the Mini.

Whereas on the M4 you can pick 24Gb or 32Gb but no more ram after that.

Apple’s “weird edge case” pricing structures are always there to “guide” (force, lol) you into buying the machine they really think/want you should buy, rather than the cheaper one.

And in all honesty…. it’s usually the correct choice. TO AN EXTENT.

Spending 1800 quid on a mac mini when there’s a far more capable studio available for 2100 probably makes no sense… except for that 36GB on the base studio is a bit…. poo.

So you end up upgrading THAT… and then… well there’s no point spending 3000 quid on a mac studio if it doesn’t have more storage/better gpu/whatever. Whoever decides on the apple pricing structures is a frickin evil genius i tell you. They’re exquisitely crafted to extract maximum revenue. So many times, it’s a case of “well if i’m in for this much i may as well get X”. NO. STOP.

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It's implicit: this thread was started in the Mac mini sub-forum, and it's typically assumed that most conversations started in this sub are going to be expecting responses related to minis.
Sorry, my bad. Didn't pay any attention to the sub-forum.
 
Sorry, my bad. Didn't pay any attention to the sub-forum.
As to the other part of your question regarding the fan, it seems to have two speeds - silent and full throttle. It just takes off for no apparent reason and I have to put the computer in sleep mode to get it to stop. Then when I wake it up again I get one quick loud fan roar and it settles in again until the next time it decides to take off. It can go weeks or even months without doing this (which is why I haven't done anything about it yet) and other times it can happen on and off all day long for days.

I figure maybe there is a sensor issue based on the research I've seen online, but it is the kind of intermittent problem that is a pain to diagnose and since the iMac is a 5 year old intel, I figure it is probably worth replacing rather than paying to get fixed even if they can find the problem.
 
As to the other part of your question regarding the fan, it seems to have two speeds - silent and full throttle. It just takes off for no apparent reason and I have to put the computer in sleep mode to get it to stop. Then when I wake it up again I get one quick loud fan roar and it settles in again until the next time it decides to take off. It can go weeks or even months without doing this (which is why I haven't done anything about it yet) and other times it can happen on and off all day long for days.

I figure maybe there is a sensor issue based on the research I've seen online, but it is the kind of intermittent problem that is a pain to diagnose and since the iMac is a 5 year old intel, I figure it is probably worth replacing rather than paying to get fixed even if they can find the problem.
Sounds like an issue this could be controlled in software? Something like macs fan control?
 
Sounds like an issue this could be controlled in software? Something like macs fan control?
You know, I tried that a while ago and it didn't help, but it was on a prior OS. I just downloaded it again and I'm going to give it a try one more time. You never know.
 
You know, I tried that a while ago and it didn't help, but it was on a prior OS. I just downloaded it again and I'm going to give it a try one more time. You never know.
It could be a physical issues though - fan could be clogged with dust or a sensor (or the fan) is dying. If you can get some known fan control profiles working you could determine for yourself if dust is getting in the way - I think it might have been mentioned already about taking the back panel off to clean the dust off but do take care when doing that.
 
As to the other part of your question regarding the fan, it seems to have two speeds - silent and full throttle. It just takes off for no apparent reason and I have to put the computer in sleep mode to get it to stop. Then when I wake it up again I get one quick loud fan roar and it settles in again until the next time it decides to take off. It can go weeks or even months without doing this (which is why I haven't done anything about it yet) and other times it can happen on and off all day long for days.

I figure maybe there is a sensor issue based on the research I've seen online, but it is the kind of intermittent problem that is a pain to diagnose and since the iMac is a 5 year old intel, I figure it is probably worth replacing rather than paying to get fixed even if they can find the problem.
If you have an Apple Store nearby, book an appointment. It doesn’t cost to get it looked at! And I’m often surprised at how little some things cost to fix.
 
If you have an Apple Store nearby, book an appointment. It doesn’t cost to get it looked at! And I’m often surprised at how little some things cost to fix.
Would they even look at a 2015 iMac though? They are classed as obsolete now.
 
It's a late 2020. The last intel iMac. BTO i7 3.8Ghz w/1TB SSD and now has 32GB RAM. My wife has a 2015.
Ah right, so they would look at a 2020. Nothing to lose having them have a look I guess. Especially if you don’t fancy taking the back off an iMac.
 
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