i've been cruising these threads for the past few days and I've noticed you guys get this a lot but I'd like some outside opinion. I'm curious about getting an Apple, as I want a laptop that is a solid machine that can also meet my traveling needs. However, I'm short on cash so I'm in the realm of refurb's. On geeks.com they offer a ibook g4 12" with 1ghz 512mb 30g hd with airport extreme for only $449, which is a price that is in my budget. However, it is refurb at C-grade which I am told is the lowest, but if I am not satisfied I can return it within the 30 days. Going off the refurb stories I've read here I'm seriously thinking getting this one, but is it worth it??