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It's worth it! Obviously most 2016 owners are butthurt and won't give you the right advise.

My 13" Touch Bar 2017 is exactly 13% faster in Geekbench 4 and I get exactly 79 mins more battery life by looping a movie in ITunes until the machine turns off! I tested this side by side with my 13" TB 2016.

What will you do next year? There will be similar or better gains to have next year as well.
 
What will you do next year? There will be similar or better gains to have next year as well.

Well, you purchase the next one as well!
Here's the thing, you can buy yourself the newest MacBook and enjoy it for 4-5 years with the consequence of paying full price again when you consider to upgrade 4-5 years later. My advise is to pay roughy €400 a year and always get the newest one!

Costs more or less the same ;)
 
Well, you purchase the next one as well!
Here's the thing, you can buy yourself the newest MacBook and enjoy it for 4-5 years with the consequence of paying full price again when you consider to upgrade 4-5 years later. My advise is to pay roughy €400 a year and always get the newest one!

Costs more or less the same ;)

Yep, I see that logic, you are paying an EMI for all the years and getting a new model to work with. I see the logic in that.
 
Well, you purchase the next one as well!
Here's the thing, you can buy yourself the newest MacBook and enjoy it for 4-5 years with the consequence of paying full price again when you consider to upgrade 4-5 years later. My advise is to pay roughy €400 a year and always get the newest one!

Costs more or less the same ;)

Yep, I see that logic, you are paying an EMI for all the years and getting a new model to work with. I see the logic in that.

I think only a 400€ ($450) loss on each revision is a bit optimistic though, depending on the model of course. It looks like my 2016 model on eBay is going for somewhere in the ballpark of $700 less than retail. (And if you use eBay, don't forget to account for a somewhat hefty seller's fee.) If Apple does an update twice in one year, as they do sometimes, those losses will accrue even more quickly.

A $700 loss multiplied by 4 years (assuming just one update a year) does get you to $2800 dollars which is a little cheaper than what my laptop cost. If Apple does two updates just one of those years though, now your 4 year loss is $3500 which is a little more than my laptop cost. Not saying it's not a feasible strategy, but it's certainly not guaranteed to pay off.
 
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I think only a 400€ ($450) loss on each revision is a bit optimistic though, depending on the model of course. It looks like my 2016 model on eBay is going for somewhere in the ballpark of $700 less than retail. (And if you use eBay, don't forget to account for a somewhat hefty seller's fee.) If Apple does an update twice in one year, as they do sometimes, those losses will accrue even more quickly.

A $700 loss multiplied by 4 years (assuming just one update a year) does get you to $2800 dollars which is a little cheaper than what my laptop cost. If Apple does two updates just one of those years though, now your 4 year loss is $3500 which is a little more than my laptop cost. Not saying it's not a feasible strategy, but it's certainly not guaranteed to pay off.

Depends on the model indeed, but also your region. In Europe we pay around $2250 for the Touch Bar 13", which is almost the same price as the 15" in the US. Due high prices, the resale value is usually high.

Btw, I forgot to mention that I sold my "13TB 2016 for €400 less, and last year I sold my 13" 2015 for just €370 less. Pretty consistent in my case.
I already purchased the 2017 model, but maybe next year I get my self a ticket to New York, buy a MacBook and get back to the airport... still cheaper than EU ;)
 
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I think only a 400€ ($450) loss on each revision is a bit optimistic though, depending on the model of course. It looks like my 2016 model on eBay is going for somewhere in the ballpark of $700 less than retail. (And if you use eBay, don't forget to account for a somewhat hefty seller's fee.) If Apple does an update twice in one year, as they do sometimes, those losses will accrue even more quickly.

A $700 loss multiplied by 4 years (assuming just one update a year) does get you to $2800 dollars which is a little cheaper than what my laptop cost. If Apple does two updates just one of those years though, now your 4 year loss is $3500 which is a little more than my laptop cost. Not saying it's not a feasible strategy, but it's certainly not guaranteed to pay off.

Yes, it might or might not always work. :)
 
It's worth it! Obviously most 2016 owners are butthurt and won't give you the right advise.

My 13" Touch Bar 2017 is exactly 13% faster in Geekbench 4 and I get exactly 79 mins more battery life by looping a movie in ITunes until the machine turns off! I tested this side by side with my 13" TB 2016.

And that's worth thousands of dollars??? probably not. In most everyday use you'll never notice the difference. An extra hour of battery is nice but not worth the cost.
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What about upgrading from a 13" 2016 to a 15" 2017. Something I'm considering.

I play light gaming (Cities Skylines, Civ 5) but otherwise it's just web content, writing in Pages, etc.

The 15 inch is a far better gaming machine that simple really doesn't matter if its this year or last years this will be a worthwhile upgrade for gaming.
 
What about upgrading from a 13" 2016 to a 15" 2017. Something I'm considering.

I play light gaming (Cities Skylines, Civ 5) but otherwise it's just web content, writing in Pages, etc.

I went from a nTB 13" Pro to a Late 2016 15" Pro and I love it. The computer is complete overkill for what I use it for but it should definitely last me 3-4 years no problems.
 
It's worth it! Obviously most 2016 owners are butthurt and won't give you the right advise.

My 13" Touch Bar 2017 is exactly 13% faster in Geekbench 4 and I get exactly 79 mins more battery life by looping a movie in ITunes until the machine turns off! I tested this side by side with my 13" TB 2016.

Don't get me wrong...those are awesome gains. But that doesn't make it worth it to me unless someone is highly battery-dependent or the CPU bump will greatly benefit their work, given the time & money required to upgrade from a system they just recently bought. I traded in a newer car once to go from a machine that got 40 MPG to 50 MPG, but it was primarily justifiable only because I was driving 20,000 miles a year...
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2018 would be a significant update, not just a spec bump. I'd say wait.

Don't we always seem to say that on forums with most future updates? :p
 
Your choice. If you want the newer keyboard and the newer processor take the loss and upgrade. But, IMHO that is a waste of money.
 
Bought the maxxed out 2016 15" Macbook Pro.

I can get about $1,600+ on Gazelle for it. Perhaps more elsewhere.

A new maxxed out Kaby Lake Macbook Pro, minus my old selling price would be just under $2k.

Is it worth that price just for the increased performance of Kaby Lake and whatever else has been upgraded?

Thanks

NO, Kaby Lake isn't a big upgrade at all over Sky Lake. Unless you have one of the higher end MBP 15 that got the upgraded dedicated graphics, even then probably not worth your time
 
Don't we always seem to say that on forums with most future updates? :p
I suppose :)
But here's the thing. There was no way that Apple did significant update to 2017 model just 8 months after a big update. Based on the Reddit thread from Foxconn insiders & other leaks, I think it's safe to assume next update would be significant. Although I don't think they will change the shell. But things like e-ink keyboard, cannon lake or whatever is the next on Intel's update cycle is also supposed to be significant update. They might update the display too. I'm coming from 2011 MBA to 2017 MBP. A very significant update. All I'm saying is 2016 & 2017 MBP are so close. 2018 is more likely to have more than a processor bump
 
The only thing I like is the symbols on Control and Option key that have made it completely clear for anyone. Today, when I come across those symbols, I don't know what they mean, I have to take guesses. So, this is a good thing.
 
Even the GPU wasn't much of an update, just clocks going up by about 2%.

What is your deal buddy, we've established that this isn't true, haven't we?
[doublepost=1497032211][/doublepost]Op, since you have the maxed out 2016 , unpressed you just dunt care about money I personality would not advise you to switch at this time. Wait for the next iteration.
 
What is your deal buddy, we've established that this isn't true, haven't we?
[doublepost=1497032211][/doublepost]Op, since you have the maxed out 2016 , unpressed you just dunt care about money I personality would not advise you to switch at this time. Wait for the next iteration.

What do you mean what's my deal? AMD themselves have established that the 560 is simply a 460 clocked ~2% faster.

http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/
 
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What do you mean what's my deal? AMD themselves have established that the 560 is simply a 460

Remember our exercise from last night comparing the graphics on the $2799 2016 15" MBP vs. the graphics on the $2799 2017 15" MBP? Geekbench shows 25% improvement.
 
Remember our exercise from last night comparing the graphics on the $2799 2016 15" MBP vs. the graphics on the $2799 2017 15" MBP? Geekbench shows 25% improvement.

That was specifically if you want to compare a $2800 laptop to a $2800 laptop. If you look at an apples to apples component comparison of 460 vs 560 it's a small difference. Anyone who bought the 460 model last year isn't gaining anywhere near 25% by going to the 2017 model.
 
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Agreed that those who bought the video upgrade in their 2016 wont see much improvement but you have to make the distinction.

The direct 2017 replacement for the 2016 $2799 model provides 25% superior graphics performance. Period. And it makes a world of difference when driving a 4K display.
 
Agreed that those who bought the video upgrade in their 2016 wont see much improvement but you have to make the distinction.

The direct 2017 replacement for the 2016 $2799 model provides 25% superior graphics performance. Period. And it makes a world of difference when driving a 4K display.

You may want to make the same distinction then, that you're comparing the 455 to the 560, as that's certainly not inferred when making 25% performance increase claims.

In fact the take rate on the 460 must have been huge as Apple defaulted to the 560 on the high-end this time, not even offering the 555 on it.
 
The latest models appear to be Apple's first introduction in years, where I feel they went all in and delivered some decent specs and even current technology.

If you could move up to them from your current machine for a few hundred dollars, I'd do it.

If it's going to cost you $2000 beyond the sale price of your 2016 machine, then I'd skip it.

I felt like the 2016 machines were a minimal effort rush to market. And they delivered outdated hardware.

But, I also don't think you'll see $2000 worth of better performance over your 2016 machine.

If you could sell your machine for $1600, and buy a replacement for $2000, then I'd do it.

If you're going to spend $3600 on a replacement, then I'd skip it.

How did they deliver outdated hardware? They delivered the latest hardware available at the time. How ****ing ignorant can one person be?
 
What about upgrading from a 13" 2016 to a 15" 2017. Something I'm considering.

I play light gaming (Cities Skylines, Civ 5) but otherwise it's just web content, writing in Pages, etc.
with that demanding work i strongly recommend to "upgrade" to a 2012 machine. the rest of the money for hookers...
 
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