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To briefly sum up this thread:

- People saying buy now are all those who have already bought their rMBP and now realize they are beta testers with no optimized software the the entire internet looks like crap

- People saying wait are those that realise that the technology and support is far from perfect yet to run a retina display and by next year they will have ironed everything out and the price will come down.


rMBP is worthless until all these apps are retina ready:

Photoshop
Illustrator
After Effects
Premiere Pro
Lightroom
Cinema 4D
Maya
ZBrush
Microsoft Word
Microsoft Excel
 
the entire internet looks like crap

unfortunately thats an internet problem. next year when 4k screens are on every laptop, the internet will start to correct. its like the first HDTV i bought and every television station was in standard def and looked like garbage. i didnt return my set
 
VRAM has nothing to do with it, I hate how people complain about that. Putting more VRAM won't improve anything.

Why have the option for more VRAM in the 27" iMac then? Does it not help with graphics or the display?

Edit: I agree with salmoally and it further drives home the fact that Apple does not do well with Rev. A products. They jump the gun.
 
Why have the option for more VRAM in the 27" iMac then? Does it not help with graphics or the display?

Edit: I agree with salmoally and it further drives home the fact that Apple does not do well with Rev. A products. They jump the gun.

It'll help with 3D gaming but it won't do anything more to help drive the retina display.

"As an aside for those thinking Apple should have put in 2GB of VRAM: VRAM does not make the graphics system faster unless you're feeding in more textures than fit in the onboard VRAM for a single frame. If you can show a benchmark saying that we're using up all 1GB of VRAM and paging more textures in that didn't fit while scrolling facebook.com, then it would help. Otherwise, it'd just make the cost higher and the performance equal to now."
 
I was also in the same boat considering waiting for Haswell.

However, I then realized that Apple might not update the motherboard more than once a year, will they?

I could end up waiting way more than I really want to if they don't do an update.
 
I was also in the same boat considering waiting for Haswell.

However, I then realized that Apple might not update the motherboard more than once a year, will they?

I could end up waiting way more than I really want to if they don't do an update.

They'll definitely update. This is their flagship notebook and they'll want it to remain best-of-class. Besides, Haswell probably won't drop until July-ish so it will have been a full year.
 
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To briefly sum up this thread:

- People saying buy now are all those who have already bought their rMBP and now realize they are beta testers with no optimized software the the entire internet looks like crap

- People saying wait are those that realise that the technology and support is far from perfect yet to run a retina display and by next year they will have ironed everything out and the price will come down.


rMBP is worthless until all these apps are retina ready:

Photoshop
Illustrator
After Effects
Premiere Pro
Lightroom
Cinema 4D
Maya
ZBrush
Microsoft Word
Microsoft Excel

You know, you can just ignore all the people the people saying that whatever Intel does for Haswell, the only real user-noticeable effect that we'll see is the battery and perhaps internal graphics (which is moot as anyone who needs the graphics will be running discrete), as we've pretty much started hitting the limits of what we can do with quad-core silicone processors. Also an important point is even if Haswell halves its battery usage, the computer still uses far more power on other parts than simply the processor.

And you can ignore all the people who look at the evidence and say that the technology in the RMBP works fine, and there are just a few software-based issues that need a bit of tuning.

But keep up with your false duality, it makes you sound good. :p

unfortunately thats an internet problem. next year when 4k screens are on every laptop, the internet will start to correct. its like the first HDTV i bought and every television station was in standard def and looked like garbage. i didnt return my set

While I agree the internet will adjust, idk when we'll see 4K screens. That's twice the number of pixels on an rMBP screen.

I was also in the same boat considering waiting for Haswell.

However, I then realized that Apple might not update the motherboard more than once a year, will they?

I could end up waiting way more than I really want to if they don't do an update.

While I doubt that Apple won't take the chance to try and suck the money from what will in reality most likely be a lackluster upgrade, there always is that chance.

Honestly, I don't get how people think that the IB->Haswell jump will be better than say the Haswell->Broadwell jump. Sure, Haswell's a "tock" and Broadwell's a "tick", but that's really Intel's marketing at work, as when you look at the preemptive specs, Broadwell's the much more ingenious of the two, as at 14nm it will both require a solution to quantum tunnelling AND has possibilities at an MCM design (which, while not earth-shattering, is still just about as impressive as anything that Haswell's going to offer).

Waiting for new processors for the sake of waiting for new processors is generally not a good idea, unless you're nearing the end of a cycle (and currently we're at the beginning).
 
So i'm reading there is not much difference in the upgrade for iMacs but will haswell bring 6 cores to make it worthwhile?
 
Anand also said a lot of the choppiness was fixed by installing Mountain Lion, so what's to say they can't improve it further through software alone? GPU switching is technically a hardware change since it isn't optimising available resources in any way (the way I see it), and I would hate to have the dGPU kick in for simple things like scrolling - isn't that why the iGPU is there in the first place?
+1. Well said :).
 
You should probably wait for the SkyNet chip, I hear it's going to blow everything out of the water...

I know it all depends on what I've got right now and if I "need" a new laptop now.

I just want to know exactly how much better Haswell will be. I know it will be a major jump when compared to Sandy vs Ivy, but is there anything else to say about it? If it's not revolutionary, then I have no problem with Ivy bridge, but if it is something big that makes it so that apps made for those processors will have trouble running on Ivy, then I am concerned. Will it have more cores? Higher clock speed?

As far as processors go, I'm pretty content, so I'm not as worried about Haswell as I am about the next-gen graphics cards. The 650m is barely enough for my needs and if a truly significant graphics card rework is coming up then it's worth the wait, but is that going to happen or did Nvidia just have its "tock" with Kepler?

EDIT: I know there's always a question whether or not to wait. I didn't care much through C2D, Sandy, and Ivy since those weren't really groundbreaking (Sandy comes closest, but decend C2D CPUs are still able to run top quality games like Skyrim to this day). But Haswell has been attracting a lot of attention lately so I've become concerned as to if it is going to revolutionise the processor market or if it will be just a processor bump which will improve clock speeds and put in an extra core or two. Even then, if it blows away the market with a 4GHz+ mobile CPU then I'd be willing to wait.

I don't need a new computer, but I want one.
 
Definetly wait if there is a possibility for a Matte Retina MBP (haswell). Also I can confirm that the Retina MBP isn't smooth with scrolling like the older MBP's.

I can confirm that Matte IPS displays have been available for years. I've had them on my ThinkPads. The only difference is their resolution has not been as high as Apple is using. Therefore it's simply a matter of "when" Apple wants to do this, if they do.

In addition, both IBM ThinkPads, and Lenovo ThinkPads were free of the scrolling issues that Apple has. I think they may have rushed the rMBP to market before they sorted out the problem. I'm sure Apple will deliver a second gen rMBP next year that scrolls very smoothly. It's what Apple does best, get the bugs out the second time around.

A perfect example is my iPhone 4, which would hardly make calls. In places my 3GS was working just fine, my 4 wouldn't even connect.

Then Apple released the iPhone 4S, now that is one very sweet phone. It makes calls just like one would expect. I have very strong performance, no dropped calls, and no static. An amazing and very dramatic difference.
 
So we are in 2013 march, any news about release the new line macbook with haswell ?
 
You all moan but I am more than happy with my 13" rMBP.

It's fast, looks beautiful and has great contrast and brightness. All of Apple's native apps look great at retina and those 3rd party ones that don't I use the 'scaled' mode and put it at full resolution - this gives me more working space in Ableton etc anyway.

It's honestly the nicest laptop I've ever owned, and the form factor is superb.

Very happy I didn't wait.
 
I don't moan, but i want in june or july to get a Retina macbook. And after reading these days i heard that this year will be an upgrade. So i figure if the upgrade will be in the same time with my wish to buy a rMacbook, why shouldn't buy the haswell version? I can wait even till late of august to buy it, i hope until then a haswell macbook 13.3" or 15" doesn't matter will be available
 
I don't moan, but i want in june or july to get a Retina macbook. And after reading these days i heard that this year will be an upgrade. So i figure if the upgrade will be in the same time with my wish to buy a rMacbook, why shouldn't buy the haswell version? I can wait even till late of august to buy it, i hope until then a haswell macbook 13.3" or 15" doesn't matter will be available

Exactly - this is the thing people don't seem to realise when they ask these questions.

If you need one now then buy it, if you aren't in desperate need or your timing is nearer a new release/refresh window then wait :)
 
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