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I got a Samsung 256Gb and I love it. Trim is not available, but there are programs for that, DigLloyd or something is a guy that sells a nice program.
But I've only used it once in my now year old MBP13 so the slow down isn't bad as some people tell you. Even after running that program, about a month or two ago, I didn't notice that much difference in EDU (every day use).
For me the big bonus is super fast startups, less sensitive for bumping when compared to the HD that is turning, faster programm starts etc.
I'm a roadwarrior, so I tend to open, close, transport etc. my laptop a lot on a daily basis. And my battery times became a bit better, but think in 15-20 minutes better, so it is hardly measurable.
But if you do a lot of ripping/movie editing or other heavy stuff, I'm not so sure a SSD is the way to go. but then you wouldn't consider a MBP but having a Mac Pro, with a SSD as boot disk and 10k spinning disk for the other stuff :D
 
What do you use it for???

The thing that has not been discussed here which in my opinion is the most important. What will you be using your mbp for?? Now SSD's are great and offer amazing speed but also are expensive, reduced space and risky.

I bought a 13 mb (unibody) because i am a photographer and being able to load off data from memory cards is a nice way for me to be sure a. i have all the pics, b. make sure i dont loose data (misplacing cards, damage etc) c. give the client an idea of how the shoot went. One wedding i shoot could be 10-20gbs of images. In my usage an SSD is not particulaly great, because of their limited space, and degredation through data write. The more you write data, move it around delete and re-write the quicker they degrade, and with data this large they degrade very quickly. Until SSD technology is fully supported under mac osx for me it is wasting money. When i can get a 500gb 7200rpm drive for £55 or a 1tb 5400rpm drive for £110 this fits my workflow, and keeps costs down.

If i wanted decent ssd with a decent amount of space say 240gb i would be looking at about £300-400.

The reason i say this is because i have a mac pro rig and do all my editing on it, also all storage is within this machine, so the mb is just a stop gap for information. Now it makes sense to have an ssd in a MP because as the application drive and having the home folder stored on another drive not much is written erased etc so keeps it at full speed and keeps it efficient. Also i can get away with spending £100 on a 60gb vortex 2, and use my 4tb space to store images, reducing cost maximizing speed.

Now you have heard my situation, what do you use yours for?

If you are like me, i do not recommend an ssd (for laptop). If you use it as your main machine i also dont recommend one, the whole point of a laptop is portability and adding a 1tb external in my opinion to work with an ssd is pointless because i would take it everywhere. But on the other hand if your space requirements arnt vast then yes buy one. But i still think because the technology is pretty new, and because it isnt FULLY supported under mac osx a hybrid drive is the best option! They are only £120 for a 500gb seagate xt, and wait till apple do something with the tech and upgrade in a years time. Who knows the cost per gb may be more on par with traditional hdds. If your machine was a desktop like a MP, i would say yes go for it! But if you are using it as a desktop atm, with external drives and dont really take it anywhere to do anything specific i would say go for one, if you can deal with the space and can afford one. :)

Hope this helps :apple:
 
If you are like me, i do not recommend an ssd (for laptop). If you use it as your main machine i also dont recommend one, the whole point of a laptop is portability and adding a 1tb external in my opinion to work with an ssd is pointless because i would take it everywhere. But on the other hand if your space requirements arnt vast then yes buy one. But i still think because the technology is pretty new, and because it isnt FULLY supported under mac osx a hybrid drive is the best option! They are only £120 for a 500gb seagate xt, and wait till apple do something with the tech and upgrade in a years time. Who knows the cost per gb may be more on par with traditional hdds. If your machine was a desktop like a MP, i would say yes go for it! But if you are using it as a desktop atm, with external drives and dont really take it anywhere to do anything specific i would say go for one, if you can deal with the space and can afford one. :)

I disagree. I find that having a SSD drive in a laptop is very useful. I have a desktop machine at home and I have all my music etc on that so I don't need tons of space on a laptop. Likewise I don't need to carry my whole music collection on my iPhone so the 8 (previous 3G) and 16 GB (iPhone4) models are just fine for me.

The SSD makes my 13" MBP feel much faster, allowing me to use it more effortlessly.
 
I've had my Kingston SSDNow V+ series for 4 months now and have written and deleted well over 500GB of data to it in that time frame (mainly video's).

Just ran XBench and Geekbench to see if there has been any degradation from when I tested the drive new. There has been zero. None. Nada. Guess I don't need TRIM after all.
 
Garbage collection - Put your money where your mouth is!

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about 90% of this his highly inaccurate and highly misleading.

a intel 80GB will do you fine if you not need the space.

if your loaded get a Corsair force 240GB

No HD in a notebook is faster than a SSD of modern design.

Slowdown can be Cured and CAN be reversed.

Seriously you need to stop with the bad info spreading

First I wanted to mock you but there is no need - your post speaks for itself. Your arrogant response doesn't state anything factual, it just argues with opposite points to a few points that I made. But it misses the most important ones. All in a manner that should be kept to people who know what they are talking about. At least I cited references to support my points. You just claim that I am wrong. Come on, you cannot be serious!

Keep your statistics to yourself if you cannot back them up. 83.65% of what you say is assumption and speculation.

The Corsair drive that you mention costs around £480-500. It would be idiotic to put that into a 13" MBP with slightly higher value. What you do is not useful and by no means is good consumer advice. I love the fact that TRIM support is one of the main features of the drive, while OS X cannot take advantage of it. Also, there is a figure of 'sustained speed' in the specification of the drive, either proving that there is speed degradation over time or that the max figures provided are not indicative of actual usage.

Here is a benchmark that I just found: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19079/5
The Force drive show significant speed degradation: going from 71MB/s to 58MB/s in file copy speed. I suppose that proves that it's you, who should check facts before accusing others. Write speed is one area, where without TRIM support, SSDs can produce surprisingly poor performance, even compared to HDDs. The reason for this is that once the drive is saturated, there is a delay before the drive can write files, which slows down the process. With HDDs, the speed can be restored by reformatting the drive. SSDs cannot be cured. That is, for example why Windows users have to switch of disc defragmantation and a few other options.

Peak sequential write speed is an area, where SSDs often are behind HDDs. The whole reason of using SSD for system files and secondary SSDs for data/media/documents is that the SSD's strength lies in accessing application and system files quickly, where sustainable high read speed is being taken advantage of.

In terms of system load, the above test shows less than 20% difference between the fastest SSDs tested and a Seagate Momentus 7200rpm drive. Can you really justify the seven-tenfold price difference on the basis of that speed in software launch? Overall, many benefits of the SSDs in day-to-day tasks might be illusionary. Yes, there is a speed difference overall, they draw less energy and are pretty much silent. But at what cost? Currently, only a fool would use a large SSD (that you recommended) in a fairly-low specced computer just to load it up with data files which will have a detrimental effect on the drive's overall performance.

I also post a few more benchmarks from another test to prove my point (see pictures).

If you want to keep resilience after saturation, you should not use a chunk of the capacity of the drive, meaning that even if you get a 80GB one, an average user will have to make compromises about what to keep on the computer or whether to install a secondary HDD in an optibay, losing the optical drive.


But you know what? Prove that you have an SSD that you formatted and overwrote a couple of times, if you claim that it doesn't affect performance or it can be cured (although, I still believe that speed degradation cannot be reversed). I post a picture of two SSDs that I ordered and now I'm sending back. I'm not even attempting to install another SSD until the new generation 25nm drives come out in Q4. The OP should wait too and even then spending too much on an SSD should be avoided.
 

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I love the fact that TRIM support is one of the main features of the drive, while OS X cannot take advantage of it. Also, there is a figure of 'sustained speed' in the specification of the drive, either proving that there is speed degradation over time or that the max figures provided are not indicative of actual usage.

The garbage collection features in modern SSD drives make up for that just fine. My Intel X25-M G2 still feels just as fast as it was when I bought it and even if there is performance degradation, it will still be significantly faster than a HDD.

With HDDs, the speed can be restored by reformatting the drive. SSDs cannot be cured. That is, for example why Windows users have to switch of disc defragmantation and a few other options.

There are several ways to restore the drive. Some of them require formatting it, I think some manufacturers offer tools to run TRIM on them from the command line. The reason why defrag is turned off for SSDs is that defrag optimizes the hard drive for sequential read, which is what HDDs do best. SSDs have such good random read/write performance that there is no benefit in having all file clusters in sequence.

In terms of system load, the above test shows less than 20% difference between the fastest SSDs tested and a Seagate Momentus 7200rpm drive. Can you really justify the seven-tenfold price difference on the basis of that speed in software launch? Overall, many benefits of the SSDs in day-to-day tasks might be illusionary. Yes, there is a speed difference overall, they draw less energy and are pretty much silent. But at what cost? Currently, only a fool would use a large SSD (that you recommended) in a fairly-low specced computer just to load it up with data files which will have a detrimental effect on the drive's overall performance.

The test you posted must be doing something wrong, their system boot times are way high. Even my desktop with a HDD boots in about 20 seconds on Win7 or OSX (Hackintosh). My MBP boots in about 15 seconds on the SSD compared to probably closer to a minute with the stock HDD. SSDs do offer a noticeable, real improvement over HDDs. Basically you won't spend any time waiting for the disk to do its thing unless copying very large files.

When the next iteration of Intel's drives hits the market, I'm grabbing a 300 GB one for my desktop PC too.
 
First I wanted to mock you but there is no need - your post speaks for itself. Your arrogant response doesn't state anything factual, it just argues with opposite points to a few points that I made. But it misses the most important ones. All in a manner that should be kept to people who know what they are talking about. At least I cited references to support my points. You just claim that I am wrong. Come on, you cannot be serious!

Keep your statistics to yourself if you cannot back them up. 83.65% of what you say is assumption and speculation.

The Corsair drive that you mention costs around £480-500. It would be idiotic to put that into a 13" MBP with slightly higher value. What you do is not useful and by no means is good consumer advice. I love the fact that TRIM support is one of the main features of the drive, while OS X cannot take advantage of it. Also, there is a figure of 'sustained speed' in the specification of the drive, either proving that there is speed degradation over time or that the max figures provided are not indicative of actual usage.

Here is a benchmark that I just found: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19079/5
The Force drive show significant speed degradation: going from 71MB/s to 58MB/s in file copy speed. I suppose that proves that it's you, who should check facts before accusing others. Write speed is one area, where without TRIM support, SSDs can produce surprisingly poor performance, even compared to HDDs. The reason for this is that once the drive is saturated, there is a delay before the drive can write files, which slows down the process. With HDDs, the speed can be restored by reformatting the drive. SSDs cannot be cured. That is, for example why Windows users have to switch of disc defragmantation and a few other options.

Peak sequential write speed is an area, where SSDs often are behind HDDs. The whole reason of using SSD for system files and secondary SSDs for data/media/documents is that the SSD's strength lies in accessing application and system files quickly, where sustainable high read speed is being taken advantage of.

In terms of system load, the above test shows less than 20% difference between the fastest SSDs tested and a Seagate Momentus 7200rpm drive. Can you really justify the seven-tenfold price difference on the basis of that speed in software launch? Overall, many benefits of the SSDs in day-to-day tasks might be illusionary. Yes, there is a speed difference overall, they draw less energy and are pretty much silent. But at what cost? Currently, only a fool would use a large SSD (that you recommended) in a fairly-low specced computer just to load it up with data files which will have a detrimental effect on the drive's overall performance.

I also post a few more benchmarks from another test to prove my point (see pictures).

If you want to keep resilience after saturation, you should not use a chunk of the capacity of the drive, meaning that even if you get a 80GB one, an average user will have to make compromises about what to keep on the computer or whether to install a secondary HDD in an optibay, losing the optical drive.


But you know what? Prove that you have an SSD that you formatted and overwrote a couple of times, if you claim that it doesn't affect performance or it can be cured (although, I still believe that speed degradation cannot be reversed). I post a picture of two SSDs that I ordered and now I'm sending back. I'm not even attempting to install another SSD until the new generation 25nm drives come out in Q4. The OP should wait too and even then spending too much on an SSD should be avoided.

SERIOUSLY DUDE ? LOL

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/149?vs=182

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Prod....69.70.71.72.73.74.75.78.79.80.81.82.83.85.86

END OF.

Fastest HDD on the market VELOCIRAPTOR 10K RPM vs the 100gb (Slower) version of my Corsair Force.

NOT ONE AREA DOES THE HDD COME EVEN CLOSE. SOME BENCHES 50X AND 100X AS FAST! PWNED ON SEQUENTIAL TOO.

OCZ ONYX? PFFT - old news.

Ever heard of GARBAGE COLLECTION? - No need for TRIM with Sandforce 1200. The best garbage collection of ANY SSD.

Restores the SSD to near new performance whilst the computer is idle.

You are so out of date on your info dude.

PS.

Also use a decent review site with some credibility. ie. Anandtech
 


DUDE, DO YOU READ? I quoted anandtech articles and benchmarks on the previous page that claimed speed degradation for example.



You haven't got long conversations in your family, I suppose. I hope that it's the end of conversation for you. It's certainly not for me.

Fastest HDD on the market VELOCIRAPTOR 10K RPM vs the 100gb (Slower) version of my Corsair Force.

NOT ONE AREA DOES THE HDD COME EVEN CLOSE. SOME BENCHES 50X AND 100X AS FAST! PWNED ON SEQUENTIAL TOO.

OCZ ONYX? PFFT - old news.

Check previous links for Anandtech benchmarks to prove just how close HDDs get to SSD performance in sequential writing, for example.

Ever heard of GARBAGE COLLECTION? - No need for TRIM with Sandforce 1200. The best garbage collection of ANY SSD.

I must have heard it if my previous post was titled after garbage collection, don't you think? Honestly, have you actually read what you are attacking now?

Restores the SSD to near new performance whilst the computer is idle.

Minor point, but 'near-new performance' is not identical to 'new'.


You are so out of date on your info dude.

You are so out of order and I'm not a dude. Not to you, anyway. Besides, if you ever check the links that I posted in all the posts in this thread, you'll find that they are very recent.

PS.

Also use a decent review site with some credibility. ie. Anandtech

Again, that's what I started out with, before dudes like you started taking this SSD criticism badly and throwing stones without reading the whole thread.
 
Check previous links for Anandtech benchmarks to prove just how close HDDs get to SSD performance in sequential writing, for example.

Minor point, but 'near-new performance' is not identical to 'new'.

Really? The closet 3.5" consumer grade HD is still 40mb/s slower from the cheapest 2.5" consumer grade SSD. That's not really comparing apples to apples.

The XT is 80mb/s slower and the regular 2.5" 500gb Seagate is 105mb/s slower in seq reading.

As for writing, the fastest consumer grade 3.5" HD is 108mb/s slower than the 2nd fastest consumer grade 2.5" HD. That's not really close at all, nevermind the random writes..

Also about your minor point, regular HDs slow down as well, especially at the edge, or have you forgotten about that?
 
Really? The closet 3.5" consumer grade HD is still 40mb/s slower from the cheapest 2.5" consumer grade SSD. That's not really comparing apples to apples.

The XT is 80mb/s slower and the regular 2.5" 500gb Seagate is 105mb/s slower in seq reading.

As for writing, the fastest consumer grade 3.5" HD is 108mb/s slower than the 2nd fastest consumer grade 2.5" HD. That's not really close at all, nevermind the random writes..

Also about your minor point, regular HDs slow down as well, especially at the edge, or have you forgotten about that?

I don't know where I even referred to a 3.5" HDD. In terms of comparing apples to apples, I don't know how we can really compare $5-600 SSDs with $60 HDDs or whatever others suggested, but I suppose at least the storage or the price should be in the same category. In which case, it might be fair to compare the possible HDDs with budget SSDs, although strictly speaking, they still cost twice as much for the quarter of the storage space.

In terms of HDDs slowing down - having data stored on the edge of the physical discs is another matter entirely. As far as I know, HDDs can be reformatted to their original performance. Besides, in their price range, it's easy to be relaxed about any performance issues, if there are any.

Finally, I post the last Anandtech graph to illustrate my point that it's not true that SSDs are faster in every possible tasks, but to be fair I already said whatever I wanted.


Whoever thinks that putting an expensive SSD in a 2.26GHz MBP of the OP is not overkill should buy the OP one. If I recall well, I suggested to wait with an SSD purchase, which by the way is pretty much what Anantech suggested in a number of recent articles.


I just can't be bothered to reply and defend this whole crap anymore. If other people don't take the time to read all the thread, I shouldn't have to waste my time with more replies either.
 

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Jesus Christ wtf are you talking about.

You claim a HDD is as fast as a SSD? LOL

You compare a crap SSD to a normal HD in 1 metric WTF? my SSD yeh MY SSD trounces all HDD by MILES!

HDD Slow down in fact they are that slow if they get any slower they would stop.

Sandforce SSD repair their speed all the time and if you want NEW Performance you use SECURE ERASE and your back to NEW STATE! 100% Perfomance!

i seriously dont see your point?

If you got the money get the SSD and then when you sell the Macbook move the SSD to your next Macbook.

SSD is the singlemost performance adding component ANY computer can have.

whats MORE important is the fact sequencial speeds arent important anyway! its Random performance that has the biggest improvement.

MY macbook pro boots in 14 seconds! yes 14 Seconds!

Lets see your HDD do it less than 30.

there is only one drawback of SSD and thats COST.
 
I don't know where I even referred to a 3.5" HDD. In terms of comparing apples to apples, I don't know how we can really compare $5-600 SSDs with $60 HDDs or whatever others suggested, but I suppose at least the storage or the price should be in the same category. In which case, it might be fair to compare the possible HDDs with budget SSDs, although strictly speaking, they still cost twice as much for the quarter of the storage space.

In terms of HDDs slowing down - having data stored on the edge of the physical discs is another matter entirely. As far as I know, HDDs can be reformatted to their original performance. Besides, in their price range, it's easy to be relaxed about any performance issues, if there are any.

Finally, I post the last Anandtech graph to illustrate my point that it's not true that SSDs are faster in every possible tasks, but to be fair I already said whatever I wanted.


Whoever thinks that putting an expensive SSD in a 2.26GHz MBP of the OP is not overkill should buy the OP one. If I recall well, I suggested to wait with an SSD purchase, which by the way is pretty much what Anantech suggested in a number of recent articles.


I just can't be bothered to reply and defend this whole crap anymore. If other people don't take the time to read all the thread, I shouldn't have to waste my time with more replies either.

Dude everyone has there opinions, deal with it. No one is right or wrong (although pretty anoying). I think you are 50% right, but an ssd is not overkill for any system, in fact the improved performance makes them more valid, the cost and tech (on mac side), well.... definetly not....

Which is why for the time being i think like you, a hybrid is the best (for laptops). I wouldnt be able to do anything with a 120gb ssd and for £200 (which is the max i would ever spend on a drive) I know that ssd were designed for the laptop market, without moving parts, generally a better idea when on the move, but i am one who does like to keep my entire music library on my laptop and have a version of my mac pros lightroom library. I have a 7200rpm 500gb seagate atm, its performance is great, boots in 23 seconds, but even with that i only have about 40gbs left which i like, because i keep about 10% spare on a disc. So there is no way i would spend £1000 on a 500gb ssd.

Which brings me to my main point, the hybrid drive solves the problem for now. We may not see ssd's properly supported until osx 10.6.7, so around a year away, so a hybrid drive will suit till this time and hopefully ssd's may be better value. we will see... then il buy one no doubt. The op still hasnt told us what he uses his mac for... or what type of storage he is likely to use. So there is no point in bickering between ourselves.

so chill people
:apple:
 
Jesus Christ wtf are you talking about.

You claim a HDD is as fast as a SSD? LOL

You compare a crap SSD to a normal HD in 1 metric WTF? my SSD yeh MY SSD trounces all HDD by MILES!

HDD Slow down in fact they are that slow if they get any slower they would stop.

Sandforce SSD repair their speed all the time and if you want NEW Performance you use SECURE ERASE and your back to NEW STATE! 100% Perfomance!

i seriously dont see your point?

If you got the money get the SSD and then when you sell the Macbook move the SSD to your next Macbook.

SSD is the singlemost performance adding component ANY computer can have.

whats MORE important is the fact sequencial speeds arent important anyway! its Random performance that has the biggest improvement.

MY macbook pro boots in 14 seconds! yes 14 Seconds!

Lets see your HDD do it less than 30.

there is only one drawback of SSD and thats COST.

Push it a bit further, so I will get banned for calling you names that you haven't even heard in your career in your school that you go to.

Again, you should read. R_E_A_D! AND PROCESS...

Besides, I don't boot my MBPs often, I just put them to sleep by closing the lid.
 
Push it a bit further, so I will get banned for calling you names that you haven't even heard in your career in your school that you go to.

Again, you should read. R_E_A_D! AND PROCESS...

Besides, I don't boot my MBPs often, I just put them to sleep by closing the lid.

I have read what you have wrote and its a load of rubbish.
 
I just bought an OWC Mercury 120 Gb SSD for my 13" MBP mid 2009.
I'm really impressed about it fastness.
I only wodering, though, if something is wrong with my MBP. I read here of boot times of 14 seconds. Mine boots in roughly 45. And It was booting in about 1'15" with the original HD.
How could I check which is the booting sequence, and if there's something I can eliminate in it?
 
I just bought an OWC Mercury 120 Gb SSD for my 13" MBP mid 2009.
I'm really impressed about it fastness.
I only wodering, though, if something is wrong with my MBP. I read here of boot times of 14 seconds. Mine boots in roughly 45. And It was booting in about 1'15" with the original HD.
How could I check which is the booting sequence, and if there's something I can eliminate in it?

Try deleting caches etc using Onyx. After a few restarts it might be faster. Also if you have any FireWire devices connected that can significantly increase boot time for some reason.
 
I just bought an OWC Mercury 120 Gb SSD for my 13" MBP mid 2009.
I'm really impressed about it fastness.
I only wodering, though, if something is wrong with my MBP. I read here of boot times of 14 seconds. Mine boots in roughly 45. And It was booting in about 1'15" with the original HD.
How could I check which is the booting sequence, and if there's something I can eliminate in it?

Did you clone or clean install?
 
I just bought an OWC Mercury 120 Gb SSD for my 13" MBP mid 2009.
I'm really impressed about it fastness.
I only wodering, though, if something is wrong with my MBP. I read here of boot times of 14 seconds. Mine boots in roughly 45. And It was booting in about 1'15" with the original HD.
How could I check which is the booting sequence, and if there's something I can eliminate in it?

Also make sure you have selected the correct startup disk in System Preferences -> Startup Disk. Not having set a startup disk can delay the boot by a long time. Also, make sure you don't have CD's in the optical drive while booting.
 
Also make sure you have selected the correct startup disk in System Preferences -> Startup Disk. Not having set a startup disk can delay the boot by a long time. Also, make sure you don't have CD's in the optical drive while booting.

I've not checked that, actually. There isn't any CD in the drive, I'm sure, neither I have any external peripheral connected. It must be something during the startup beginning. I noticed that it takes a long time as white screen, before the apple appears. Looks like it's looking for something.
 
I've not checked that, actually. There isn't any CD in the drive, I'm sure, neither I have any external peripheral connected. It must be something during the startup beginning. I noticed that it takes a long time as white screen, before the apple appears. Looks like it's looking for something.

Go to System preferences and Select the SSD and boot disk
 
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