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memo90061

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I currently have an iMac Pro and I was thinking of selling it mostly to buy the same model with more storage. I would only do this if I find a cheap iMac Pro. I would want the Mac Studio, but if I buy the Mac Studio + Display I would be spending more than 5K! That's so much money. I wonder if I could find an iMac Pro with 4tb around 2K.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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I believe a bigger-screen iMac probably branded (and priced as) PRO will likely show up late this year or sometime in 2024. My guess is that the "starting at" price will be equivalent to that former iMac Pro. So if you want an all-in one and 24" doesn't quite do it, that may be your (albeit expensive) play if you can simply wait it out.

Else, watch for a Studio in the refurb store (there's MANY of them in there as I type this) and pair one with either a refurb ASD (one is "only" $1359 in there as I type this) or consider a NOT Apple-branded monitor. Samsung has an impending release monitor that looks like it is intended to directly compete with ASD, presumably minus much of Apple's BIG margin. It is called Viewfinity S9. General expectations are that it will be priced LOWER than ASD.

Another option: Mac Mini with M2 Pro will likely show up in the refurb store later this year. Perhaps pair it with refurb ASD or S9 for pretty good/great power and great display for a lot less than new Studio + new ASD?

And lastly: perhaps allocate a refurb 14" MBpro as your new "desktop" linking to ASD or S9? You would not be the first to make a laptop mostly play clamshell mode desktop. If you also budget for a laptop too, one (combined budget) purchase could possibly scratch both itches.
 
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memo90061

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I believe a bigger-screen iMac probably branded (and priced as) PRO will likely show up late this year or sometime in 2024. My guess is that the "starting at" price will be equivalent to that former iMac Pro. So if you want an all-in one and 24" doesn't quite do it, that may be your (albeit expensive) play if you can simply wait it out.

Else, watch for a Studio in the refurb store (there's MANY of them in there as I type this) and pair one with either a refurb ASD (one is "only" $1359 in there as I type this) or consider a NOT Apple-branded monitor. Samsung has an impending release monitor that looks like it is intended to directly compete with ASD, presumably minus much of Apple's BIG margin. It is called Viewfinity S9. General expectations are that it will be priced LOWER than ASD.

Another option: Mac Mini with M2 Pro will likely show up in the refurb store later this year. Perhaps pair it with refurb ASD or S9 for pretty good/great power and great display for a lot less than new Studio + new ASD?

And lastly: perhaps allocate a refurb 14" MBpro as your new "desktop" linking to ASD or S9? You would not be the first to make a laptop mostly play clamshell mode desktop. If you also budget for a laptop too, one (combined budget) purchase could possibly scratch both itches.
I actually was thinking of something like the last option! Using the MB Pro as the Nintendo Switch on a dock. That way I can take the laptop with me and when I have money, I can buy the Mac Studio or maybe I can just stay with the current setup.

I've been waiting for the Viewfinity S9 since it was announced.
 

rpmurray

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I picked up one from eBay, in excellent condition, last year because I've always wanted a dark iMac. Space Gray is nice enough but I wish Apple would release an all black version of a 27 inch or larger iMac.
 
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bobcomer

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I bought a 5K iMac 27" in 2023, so yes, I would if I found a cheap enough iMac Pro. I need x86 compatibility though, and the Mac Studio just doesn't cut it. (I know I have one of those too)

I'm not sure what I'd do if I didn't need x86, but I expect I'd still buy it as I like all in one's especially with that 5K Apple monitor on it.
 
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nigel415674

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I'm a longtime Apple and iMac user, but I am drifting towards replacing my 2020 iMac with a more powerful, less expensive PC tower with a separate monitor. For the amount of money you would drop on a Mac Studio with monitor or a new 2023 "Pro iMac", you can get a superior PC setup that would blow it out of the water. The only thing holding me back at the moment is that I run a lot of Applescript, so I would lose a lot of the automation I have built up over the years.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl

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I bought a 5K iMac 27" in 2023, so yes, I would if I found a cheap enough iMac Pro. I need x86 compatibility though, and the Mac Studio just doesn't cut it. (I know I have one of those too)

I'm not sure what I'd do if I didn't need x86, but I expect I'd still buy it as I like all in one's especially with that 5K Apple monitor on it.

I share the same need. My solution: Studio plus old fashioned bootcamp in the form of a standalone Mac-Mini-like PC and a monitor with more than one input so that Studio and PC can both share it without swapping cables. Only a modest budget will buy quite a robust PC.

It may not be as pretty as an Intel all-in-one iMac but those days for that are numbered by macOS "vintaging" tactics. I doubt that Windows for ARM will ever fully get there in terms of running anything & everything Windows, so trying to wait it out in hopes of bootcamp making a full comeback inside of one computer is probably NOT the way.

I put the monitor back to a wall and have both Mac and PC hidden behind it. So all I see is monitor but it can be either Mac or PC at any given time. Since I went ultra-wide, it can even split screen so that BOTH Mac and PC are on the screen at the same time... much like Parallels minus the annual Parallels subscription requirement.

If I was rebuilding my setup now, I'd probably go Mac Mini PRO instead of Studio with a Mini PC and save the thousands extra that Studio cost.

Either way, what used to be all parts Apple (all-in-one Mac + Windows + screen) are now 1 part Apple (Studio) and 2 parts NOT Apple (PC and third party screen).
 

memo90061

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I share the same need. My solution: Studio plus old fashioned bootcamp in the form of a standalone Mac-Mini-like PC and a monitor with more than one input so that Studio and PC can both share it without swapping cables. Only a modest budget will buy quite a robust PC.

It may not be as pretty as an Intel all-in-one iMac but those days for that are numbered by macOS "vintaging" tactics. I doubt that Windows for ARM will ever fully get there in terms of running anything & everything Windows, so trying to wait it out in hopes of bootcamp making a full comeback inside of one computer is probably NOT the way.

I put the monitor back to a wall and have both Mac and PC hidden behind it. So all I see is monitor but it can be either Mac or PC at any given time. Since I went ultra-wide, it can even split screen so that BOTH Mac and PC are on the screen at the same time... much like Parallels minus the annual Parallels subscription requirement.

If I was rebuilding my setup now, I'd probably go Mac Mini PRO instead of Studio with a Mini PC and save the thousands extra that Studio cost.

Either way, what used to be all parts Apple (all-in-one Mac + Windows + screen) are now 1 part Apple (Studio) and 2 parts NOT Apple (PC and third party screen).
That actually sounds like a good idea. Was thinking the entry level Mac Studio with maybe 32gb and 1tb and a small PC and use it with the Apple Studio Display. Does anyone know if the Studio Display can connect to a PC? I like the high PPI monitors and don't know of others that can connect both PC and Mac.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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That actually sounds like a good idea. Was thinking the entry level Mac Studio with maybe 32gb and 1tb and a small PC and use it with the Apple Studio Display. Does anyone know if the Studio Display can connect to a PC? I like the high PPI monitors and don't know of others that can connect both PC and Mac.

I went Dell 40” ultra wide, 5K 2K. Screen quality looks as great as the iMac it replaced AND is much wider too. It offers FOUR video inputs, so Mac + PC + two more to spare. It is priced about the same as ASD with a stand option but delivers that UW goodness and is not so “locked down.” You might want to at least consider an alternative to only Apple (and this is not the ONLY such option).

Again that Samsung Viewfinity S9 is expected to release just any time now. It is 5K and also 27”… so basically an attempt at an ASD clone, probably without so much margin.

While I haven’t thoroughly looked into it, I’ve seen a few references to ASD being finicky about what is hooked to it. If ASD is the only choice, you may want to look into that… or perhaps make that PC option be a laptop or have its own screen.
 
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bobcomer

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I share the same need. My solution: Studio plus old fashioned bootcamp in the form of a standalone Mac-Mini-like PC and a monitor with more than one input so that Studio and PC can both share it without swapping cables. Only a modest budget will buy quite a robust PC.
I did that for awhile too, with a KVM, but my monitor, a 4K Samsung, just didn't work that well with the studio, and I found that iMac in the apple refurb store at a good price, now that's about all I use. Raw CPU speed really wasn't that much of a concern for me, running all of what I wanted running was the most important thing. And I really like that 5K screen in the iMac.
It may not be as pretty as an Intel all-in-one iMac but those days for that are numbered by macOS "vintaging" tactics. I doubt that Windows for ARM will ever fully get there in terms of running anything & everything Windows, so trying to wait it out in hopes of bootcamp making a full comeback inside of one computer is probably NOT the way.

I put the monitor back to a wall and have both Mac and PC hidden behind it. So all I see is monitor but it can be either Mac or PC at any given time. Since I went ultra-wide, it can even split screen so that BOTH Mac and PC are on the screen at the same time... much like Parallels minus the annual Parallels subscription requirement.

If I was rebuilding my setup now, I'd probably go Mac Mini PRO instead of Studio with a Mini PC and save the thousands extra that Studio cost.

Either way, what used to be all parts Apple (all-in-one Mac + Windows + screen) are now 1 part Apple (Studio) and 2 parts NOT Apple (PC and third party screen).
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Smartuser

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I believe a bigger-screen iMac probably branded (and priced as) PRO will likely show up late this year or sometime in 2024. My guess is that the "starting at" price will be equivalent to that former iMac Pro. So if you want an all-in one and 24" doesn't quite do it, that may be your (albeit expensive) play if you can simply wait it out.
Not seeing which gap an iMac Pro would be supposed to fill between the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro.

The iMac Pro was supposed to be the successor of the 2013 trashcan Mac Pro, with the Mac Pro going away entirely. They publicly reversed course early in 2017, so the iMac Pro still came out, but was a one-and-done model.

All-in-one computers make sense for laptops and some low-level office-focused desktop situations, but beyond that, I don't see the point when I can mix and match computers and displays with the Mac Studio and Mac Pro.

If my Mac Studio breaks, I can easily take it to the Apple Store. It's similar with the displays (compared to a 27" iMac, anyway).

I'm not against the iMac (I have three 5K ones), but I think its time has simply passed, and the Mac mini / Mac Studio with a display is just better.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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I mostly agree, ‘gave up” on iMac myself for “separates,” and get the consumer logic of “when something breaks or conks” (I don’t have to throw baby out with the bath water) logic too.

Nevertheless, the “gap” is seemingly obvious market want… a chunk of the market seems to passionately want an iMac “bigger” instead of any “separates” option.

Do they want to pay up for what I believe will be the new price range of it or are they highly influenced by recall of the relative “bargain” of the former iMac 27” pricing? I don’t know. I suspect a good number want a “whole” Mac for “starting at…” BELOW $2K. I don’t think they will get that in a bigger iMac resurrection. So Apples task is give them what they want but get what Apple wants too: much greater profit.

This marketer speak about “gaps” and such is fine but apply it to the rest of the lineup: why is there 5 families of iPads with much overlap? Do we need 4 distinct iPhones that are all so close in size and run the exact same OS? Do we need laptops that differ by only 1-inch screen sizes, with rumors of “filling in” a new one at 15” impending? Are those all filling clear gaps such that consolidation of like offerings would leave big holes? Personally, I don’t think so.

I don’t know that current Apple Inc. works in “gaps” mentalities. I think it’s more of an idea of “can we sell enough of this slightly different tweak to get our fat margin in sufficient volume to roll a “new one”out?” If so, they launch it and count the money from a block of buyers who could have gotten 95% of the exact same experience with another Apple offering already available.

Do enough people want an iMac “bigger”? I suspect they do. Is there a marketing gap calling for an iMac Pro? Probably not. Will putting a silicon Pro chipset in an ASD and branding it pro both deliver an iMac “bigger” and much greater profit for Apple? Seems likely to me. For modern Apple Inc, that’s prob enough. Who cares if there is an obvious product mix gap? There’s another way to repackage the same tech guts and harvest another pile of profit.

Obvious gap or not, I suspect it is coming. Do I care myself? Not at all… separates forever after for me. But even around here, there appears to be enough just aching for an iMac “bigger” along with a group aching for a 15” laptop in a world that already offers a 14” & 16” running the exact same OS and software.
 
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maflynn

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Honest question - What makes an iMac a pro computer in 2023? In other words what advantages does the iMac Pro have over a Studio + monitor, or a 16" MBP? AFAIK, both the studio and MBP will out perform the iMac Pro? Plus AIO are not the best design for pro level workstations
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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What makes one a pro computer in 2023 could come down to Apple simply saying so... perhaps supported in a more tangible way by putting a Silicon PRO chip inside.

What makes retina screens something? Vs. retina HD? Vs. Liquid Retina?

What makes some products "Air" and some not? What makes some product + (plus) and some not? What is the real plus part?

Some-to-most of it is simply branding it as such. Apple says so, so it is so. Whether there is any/some meat on those bones or not may not matter. Maybe Apple rolls out something tagged "extreme" or "enterprise" or "kukukachoo" and it will be promoted as such and probably accepted as such solely because that is what Apple chose to call it.

What advantage would an iMac Pro have over Studio + Monitor? Some people- seemingly a LOT of people around here- care about aesthetics. iMac "all in one" doesn't necessarily need a bunch of other things/wires connected to it. "Look Ma, no wires!" seems to be a thing fairly important to some people. Some will make a case about just plugging in one power cord and being ready to use it vs. having to hook 2+ things together and plug in 2+ power cords. Etc.

OK, what about vs. the also, all-in-one 16" MBP? Bigger screen: iMac offers a much bigger screen than 16" MBpro. That one is very obviously tangible.

If you want to jack the conundrum: why 14" vs. 16" MBpro? Why "fill in" that gap(?) at 15" (Air)? Why is there a 13" pro and 14" pro? Why 13" pro and 13" air? Why Mac Mini PRO and Mac Studio MAX? For the vast majority of uses, those are- in effect- the same. Why 5 families of iPads that all run the exact same OS and apps? How does that make any sense? Why create a (NOT technically) "new" yellow iPhone a few months ago that is EXACTLY the same as the existing ones except for a color? Answer to all such questions: apparently it makes Apple more money than NOT having those similar/same offerings. And that's enough for Apple.

Your last sentence is an eye of the beholder one. Where was that argument used against Apple when Apple was pushing iMacs? Why do we only seem to see faults in Apple offerings AFTER Apple chooses to retire them (or in the rumored Goggles scenario, BEFORE Apple themselves confirms existence, shows them, blesses them for the flock, and then it is good to all;))?

I recall very passionate arguments/defense FOR butterfly keyboards even as problems were piling up. I recall very passionate "notch is iconic" and similar BEFORE dynamic island. I recall extraordinarily passionate arguments against phablet phone sizes FOR YEARS while Apple clung to 3.5" and then 4" as "perfection."

Right now, there is a crowd still passionately arguing for Lightning vs. USBc because "Lightning is superior, etc" but those people don't seem to pop up in the threads for all of the products where Apple has already embraced USBc, ripping Apple for doing so. Apparently where Apple products already use USBc, it is fine and right and ideal. And where it is not used yet, it is stupid, fragile, prone to expensive repairs, etc. IMO: once Lightning is gone, I suspect "good riddance" will quickly arrive... as it quickly flipped for the 30-pin crowd... and firewire before them.

I very happily went separates myself after a very long time with iMac 27. Why? Because separates offer the "don't throw baby out with the bathwater" benefit at the end... when- IMO- it makes ZERO sense to have to toss a perfectly good monitor because the tech guts conk or a corporation makes the computing parts obsolete by "vintaging" choices. But there are plenty of people who seem to think that AIO iMac "bigger" is ideal for them. If so, it doesn't need to "make sense" to those who feel differently. If there's enough buyers of anything that doesn't make much sense to some people, that's still an opportunity for Apple to sell more Macs.
 
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pshufd

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Honest question - What makes an iMac a pro computer in 2023? In other words what advantages does the iMac Pro have over a Studio + monitor, or a 16" MBP? AFAIK, both the studio and MBP will out perform the iMac Pro? Plus AIO are not the best design for pro level workstations

I was offered an iMac Pro witht he 18-core CPU, and similarly loaded RAM and storage for $1,900 a year ago. It was at a liquidation company and they listed it with an Intel i8 CPU. It would have been an interesting machine at that price. It supports 3 external 5k monitors I think and the RAM and storage would be nice but those things can get pretty hot.

I have seen a fair number of these with the typical iMac 27 failures that were repaired out there.

The biggest argument against old 5k iMacs is heat. The biggest argument for them, I think, is the GPUs that you can get with them - if you need that capability.

I'm happy with my Studio though I'd have preferred an M1 Max iMac 27.
 
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