Would you have bought it if it had OS X?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by snowy2004, Jan 28, 2010.

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Would you buy the iPad if it ran Mac OS X?

  1. I will buy the iPad, regardless.

    38 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. No, I'm not interested in buying an iPad, whatever the OS.

    4 vote(s)
    3.7%
  3. Yes, I would have bought it if it had OS X.

    35 vote(s)
    32.7%
  4. I would we more interested if it had OS X.

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    28.0%
  1. snowy2004 macrumors member

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    I did a quick search of the forums and found no threads attacking the issue:

    Well, the iPad is real now and it will be able to tap directly into the magic that is the App Store...

    But it can't do multiple processes...
    And can't run anything non-Apple-approved (until the jailbreakers get a hold of it, I assume)...
    And it can't run Flash and thus no Hulu, or videos from network sites...
    And iBooks seems to be US only for the time being...

    Well, that's a buzz-kill. So, now you sit there wondering if it's still worth it, even for $499.

    Now, what if it was $499 but ran, not the iPhone OS, but the full-fledged Mac OS X Snow Leopard with a few extra touch features. Would you buy it then?
     
  2. Chaos123x macrumors 68000

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    Yes, if it was a completely new Touch Ui for Snow Leopard.

    But everyone knows just throwing leopard (as is) on a Tablet would not work and would be lazy.


    Kinda like it was lazy to throw the iPhone OS on a tablet computer.
     
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    No. I wouldn't want to pay $1000+.
     
  5. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Agreed. I would have considered it much more seriously if it was OSX based.
     
  6. jacinto45 macrumors member

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    Of course not. That's a ridiculous question. Mac OS X is a desktop operating system. It would not work with a touch interface. Further, no existing OS X apps support touch--all would have to be completely redone.

    With minor exceptions (hulu), the iPad does most of what most people want to do on an extremely small mobile device--smaller than even non-functional netbooks.

    If you want to run a DESKTOP operating system like Mac OS X on the go, you need something larger. That's what the MacBook line is.
     
  7. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    Current hardware spec's with OSX for $499, tough call really. I'd guess no. The CPU doesn't have enough power to run any real programs, does this thing even have a 1 gig of memory? To little space to actually keep many full blow programs on 16gig? That would be down to 8gigs or less with full blown OSX installed. Lacks any input such as USB so you end up with a crippled, less powerful Macbook Air with touch capabilities.

    I think that would far worse than it is.

    To do it right with everything people want, and powerful enough to be useful with full OSX and programs, it would be well north of $1000 bucks and people would then say it's over priced and just buy a MBP.

    BTW, nice topic, haven't seen this presented and I am interested in seeing what people think, assuming they consider the limitations as you have stated "in it's current form/power/price.
     
  8. snowy2004 thread starter macrumors member

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    Why would it be $1000+ if it had OS X?
     
  9. BobHail macrumors 6502a

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    I´m sure they could build a tablet with full OS X. You know the MacBooks aren´t that fat either, quite thin actually. And remember the MacBook Air! It has full OS X and it´s really thin. And I wouldn´t mind if the tablet would be little fatter, if it could run OS X.
     
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    You mean like iPhone OS?
     
  12. Chaos123x macrumors 68000

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    They should of made it with full the Snow Leopard frameworks, 64bit, grandcentral, core image, core audio, all that stuff.

    So what if the there are no native touch apps? Who cares? They could of just put a iphone os emulator on it so you could use old app store programs right out of the box.

    They even make a iphone simulator in the dev kit.


    later they could of made full robust programs using the full power of snow leopard.
     
  13. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    The next gen Macbook could be available in Tablet form if the iPad is popular enough? The MBA is a nice machine but has some serious heat issues, Tablet with fans + vents would be rather challenging to deal with. Touch enough to keep those vents on the bottom of the MBA "open and clear" as it is.

    Let's say they transform the MBA into a tablet as it sits hardware wise, $1899 because it's now "The super iPad" do you still buy it? Better yet does it sell to the masses of peole that want a tablet computer?

    $499 doesn't get you a C2D, 2gigs of DDR3 ram, 128 SSD or a dedicated GPU. (at least not in Apple land :))

    Price vs power, something gotta give.
     
  14. Airforce macrumors 6502a

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    OS X on Macbook Air internals in a tablet format similar to the iPad would have been a hit for me.
     
  15. snowy2004 thread starter macrumors member

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    The problem with iPhone OS is that (in my opinion) it makes a great OS for small devices but the iPad is a bit too big for it: in both size and potential. Let me explain:

    Size-wise, I think it's obvious to anyone that the interface looks exactly like the iPhone's. The App icons are similarly placed without any acknowledgment that you are working on a larger screen with more space. And while smart that it can use iPhone-formatted App Store apps, their use on an iPad will likely make it obvious that they just weren't made for that device.

    Potential-wise, I think having such a large device should also lead to more processing potential. You no longer need to factor in the mission critical aspect of taking calls or even music playing as is the case for the iPhone or iPod touch.

    This device, unlike the other two, has no distinct, obvious and necessary purpose. If there is no necessary task the iPad needs to preform without fail, why can't you experiment with multi-tasking? With so much more room to play with, you should also expect more computer-like behavior and productivity (ex: the iWork apps), including plug-ins such as Flash and multi-tasking.
     
  16. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    At what price?

    If we are realistic here, the tablet w/MBA spec'd hardware would not be $499. Likely it would be more than the current MBA... so I'm interested in what price point this becomes a reality for people?
     
  17. kylekenner macrumors member

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    Most Likely

    In all truth I will probably, in the long run, get the iPad (even though I don't really care for the name but it could have been worse... iSlate? Come on), but if the tablet were to run OSX or even a watered down version I would definitely get it. OSX is more open then the App Store.
     
  18. Airforce macrumors 6502a

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    Who was expecting a cheap tablet from Apple?
     
  19. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    Not to be rude here, but did you just find the tech forums? Everyone was saying "I won't pay more than 600/700/800/1000 etc... I don't know how many polls were posted. $1000 was as high a number as I ever came across. While $1000 is not cheap, I think pretty much everyone I spoke to and damn near everyone that predicted a price was HOPING for a CHEAP tablet. Please show me the blogs about the $1500 or more tablet everyone was hoping for.

    Aside from the Tech geeks and nerds that make up what... 2 or 3% of Apple user base, who would buy a $1500 or $2000 tablet?

    I can only imagine the backlash of Apple taking the guts out of the MBA and putting them into the iPad for $1799!?!? lol people would have S@#T themselves and had even more hissy fits over the price no matter how many USB ports, SD card slots there were.
     
  20. jamesapp macrumors 6502a

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    If it had a os hybrid of mac os x, that had a multi touch interface I would have bought it.
     
  21. Airforce macrumors 6502a

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    I don't come around here all that often, so I didn't see any of the polls. I was expecting pricing similar to the Macbook Pro line.
     
  22. jamesapp macrumors 6502a

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    Just my opinion, but I would have payed upwards of $1000 to $2000 if it was what I really wanted. I don't know how other people feel.
     
  23. calderone macrumors 68040

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    Thank you for having something intelligent to say. I would like to respond.

    I honestly do not think the iPad is too big for iPhone OS. I do think it is too small for Mac OS. Window management is a mess on Mac OS. Sure, the tools to get to the windows like Spaces and Expose make things more bearable. But having been a Mac user for some time and seeing how other Mac users work. There are layers upon layers of windows. This wouldn't translate very well to a 9.7" device. I couldn't see Expose probably wouldn't translate easily. Spaces, I could see, maybe an implementation like the Pre or Android, multiple screens with apps and widgets. It would take work to translate Mac OS to iPad in such a way that keeps it familiar while giving the user a proper experience.

    Now, let us say they've got something that will work. What about the apps? Well, Universal now has a new meaning: PPC, Intel and Apple (A4). This transition will take time, especially for big shops like Adobe. We probably wouldn't see CS until CS5. In addition, developers will have to tweak their UIs to something more friendly for a 9.7" touchscreen. This going to take time.

    These two things mean that the initial experience of this new Apple tablet running Mac OS would be incredibly lackluster. You would be limited to Apple apps initially. Remind you of something? The original iPhone san App Store?

    Could Apple do this? Probably. They could make it work. But why do that when you already have the infrastructure for such a device? They have a Touch SDK, a distribution model, and apps available. Apple went in this direction and we will have to see how it falls out. I honestly think the developer are what will set this device apart. We saw some of that in the Keynote.

    I also think multi-tasking will eventually find its way into the device. But I haven't really seen any feasible suggestions. I really think that is a struggle for Apple. How do you introduce new elements to an established OS without shocking the user base? People are used to tapping on an icon, running that app, hitting the home button and running another. I would love to hear some suggestions of what people desire as far as multi-tasking. People are asking for it and I don't know if they know what they are really asking for. It isn't as simple as allowing resizable windows.

    In summation, iPad OS is here to stay on this device. While it appears that it has no distinct purpose, I think this is intentional. The developers are going to determine the direction of this and I think Apple has pushed them in the right direction (productivity, content creation, etc).
     
  24. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    That's cool and all I just don't know if their would be a large enough target for a product at that price point for Apple. Touch interface is great for many things but without the software developers re writing things like Photoshop or some design/CAD program etc... would it really be better than using a keyboard and mouse?

    Call me crazy but I don't think Adobe would rewrite something like Photoshop for Apple to make it work better on a touch tablet. Apple can make the best full blow OSX running tablet in the world but if no one optimizes applications that professionals use what would be the point?

    Trust me I fall into the Tech geeks that follow tech alot, I just don't see how a full blown OSX tablet makes my life easier for doing anything outside what the iPad does already. Sure multitasking is great, but if were talking about running apps that are not even optimized for touch controls I see that being a pain to run as the current crop of tablets running Windows 7.

    Please tell me what part of this I'm missing. Just dropping OSX on a tablet doesn't make it good. MS has shown us this over and over.

    For the record I've tried the Archos 9 tablet with Win 7. Love the idea, hated the end result :(
     
  25. puffnstuff macrumors 65816

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    I would be more then willing to pay MBP price for a powerful tablet with OSX with wacom capability
     

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