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Ok, here's my objective opinion about Maps. I downloaded iOS6 on my iPad2 to test just for this thread. Won't be touching it on my iPhone as reviews made me doubt the quality of Maps.

I live in Osaka, Japan and like Tokyo it is a good test since it's so crammed with stuff. Actually Osaka is much more difficult to get around than Tokyo and Kyoto because the orientation of streets in those places was updated after around the Heian period (grid style). Osaka still retains a lot of the old crooked and random street directions that can really benefit from good GPS.

I thought I'd throw in some info about the Japanese address system since it is a little interesting for people who have never been here :)

It certainly is very nice of you to post all of this information.

What those of us in Japan are saying, and some folks seem to be missing (to be fair, I wouldn't expect everyone to know how Japanese addresses work) is that

1) Japanese addresses and street organization are vastly different from the western world. The neighborhood numbers are constantly used as place names (ie. "Where would you like to go to dinner?" "Meet me at that izakaya in Shinjuku Sanchome (3rd neighborhood area in shinjuku) with the big yellow sign.") and no one navigates via Street name (they don't really exist). This data missing from the maps is super problematic as these neighborhood numbers don't always follow the rules.

2) Without this information (which paper maps, not even comparing with google maps, provide) the maps in the application are fairly useless. None of my current methods of navigating in an unfamiliar location (sometimes noting the shapes of buildings from the outline on google maps, measuring distances from 7-11s and other POI, starting my trip from very specific exit numbers) will work.

3) I'm not throwing out my iPhone, I just won't update until the information improves (which is not good for the ecosystem).

4) If the POI info is really only in English as someone mentioned, then the map information isn't easily accessible for Japanese people. Coupled with the poor maps, it would seem Apple is shooting itself in the foot after having runaway success with the iPhone 4/4s in Japan (that would seem bad—after all, Japan is the third largest economy).

Now, I am not suggesting in any way that any difficulty in perceiving this situation as a problem means that one cannot think beyond the borders of America, etc. I chose to expatriate to Japan, and I enjoy it and accept that living abroad always has its quirks.

However, several commenters living in, or having recently visited, Japan have mentioned having identical fundamental issues with the maps application (anecdotally, many of my coworkers expressed similar frustration). This is perhaps a situation where you don't try to dispute their claims but simply try to understand the problem.

Everyone gets around differently, we all have different methods by which we use or need a map application to work. Speaking as someone living in Tokyo, I travel only by train and by foot as do several millions of others. You may drive and the maps application may work splendidly for you, but it will (in its current state) be useless to most everyone in Japan. It is not your concern, nor should you fret as to how all of these folks get around. Having said that, it is Apple's concern and their job to consider how these iPhone users in Japan travel and how they use maps (and which language they will likely use maps in).

It seems to me if this is to be the status quo for a while (SIRI still can't search for locations in Japan, and she's been around a whole year) I would be better off going back to asking for directions from strangers, carrying paper maps, and planning ahead. Maybe that's not such a bad thing, but I doubt it's what Apple intended.
 
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Anyone thinking about reverting back to iOS 5 if no update soon. I am. actually might take my iPhone 5 after I get it next week and maybe consider android. Without Maps - no point to iPhone.
 
It seems to me if this is to be the status quo for a while (SIRI still can't search for locations in Japan, and she's been around a whole year) I would be better off going back to asking for directions from strangers, carrying paper maps, and planning ahead. Maybe that's not such a bad thing, but I doubt it's what Apple intended.
Yeah I was about to post about the trickle down effect to SIRI. She'll definitely be affected. I can hear her panic as people get frustrated with her. Hopefully she won't become vengeful like HAL :eek: I won't be updating my iPhone 4 until Apple Maps functions close to the level of Google Maps or Google Maps finds its way into the app store.
 
Anyone thinking about reverting back to iOS 5 if no update soon. I am. actually might take my iPhone 5 after I get it next week and maybe consider android. Without Maps - no point to iPhone.

Nope. Unlike most, i don't use social networking, or Maps..

Yes... Maps sux, but i use third party

I guess http://maps.google.com will do, from IOS, but i'd hardly call it an app. I reckon this is was Google's response.
 
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Nope. Unlike most, i don't use social networking, or Maps..

Yes... Maps sux, but i use third party

Fair enough.

I was probably targeting those people who are affected by the poor Maps issue. I do like some of the other iOS 6 features such as do not disturb and tweeting/posting from notification centre. But not sure I want iPhone 5 anymore if it is going to feel like an incomplete experience for me due to lack of usable Maps.

Anyone else here thinking the same?
 
But not sure I want iPhone 5 anymore if it is going to feel like an incomplete experience for me due to lack of usable Maps.

Anyone else here thinking the same?

Not at all. Honestly I've had a really great experience with the new maps and turn-by-turn directions. I think a lot of this is really overblown (though I do understand the desire for public transit info built-in – I didn't use it much in the old Maps app anyway).
 
Not at all. Honestly I've had a really great experience with the new maps and turn-by-turn directions. I think a lot of this is really overblown (though I do understand the desire for public transit info built-in – I didn't use it much in the old Maps app anyway).

Think this might be because you're in the US. Here in UK, some areas around me which were great on Google Maps are really, really awful on Apple Maps. Turn-by-turn navigation is ok, but I am not sure I will use it much since got integrated SatNav in the car.

I disagree, I do not think this is overblown at all. Lots of people here use maps a lot and replacing a product/service which we paid for and were happy with with something of inferior quality, albeit adding navigation does in my mind not justify the change. I use maps both professionally and I used to love checking streetview on my iPad a lot.

I guess we might get that "non-issue" message from Apple, as we did with the Antenna issue with iPhone 4, but hopefully they will rectify this matter soon. I would even be happy with official downgrade to iOS 5. I am starting to lose faith in Apple at the moment.
 
This just on page 1 of this thread. So how do you guys feel about it now? Bet you're not feeling quite so smug? What was that about being a real developer ECUpirate? It would be too easy to go through every page of this thread and call each and every one of you smug idiots out for your attitude back than...

Its moved on a hell of a lot since the first beta. Still not perfect but very very useable.
 
I guess we might get that "non-issue" message from Apple, as we did with the Antenna issue with iPhone 4...

The "non-issue" message was mostly just from Steve initially. They owned up to the issue (even Steve), apologized, and fixed it shortly after that.

...but hopefully they will rectify this matter soon. I would even be happy with official downgrade to iOS 5. I am starting to lose faith in Apple at the moment.

Believe me, with the number of people complaining about this, they're well aware that they need to expend some effort getting this shaped up. Not worth losing faith over. All 1.0 software has its downsides.
 
We all knew that iOS6 Maps were junk the minute we saw them in action. As expected, Apple couldn't bring them up to par with Google Maps.

The worst thing is that actual Apple customers defended Apple's decision to remove Google Maps even if it hurt their personal customer experience. :rolleyes:
 
I think a lot of this is really overblown

It really isn't. Most people, at least grownups, rely on a mapping service in their everyday life and work. RELY on it ok?

It's a key selling point of the iPhone and has been working well previously. In the UK at least, it seems to be hugely flawed to the point where it simply cannot be trusted to be accurate. As soon as this happens it is not even worth opening the application. You simply can't set off on a journey hoping that you might get there, that this is one of the times Apple hasn't got the location of an entire city wrong, let alone a location within it.

At this point, Apple are more than flirting with the legal definition of 'not fit for purpose' with the maps app in the UK. This is not good for either their customers or themselves.
 
Not at all. Honestly I've had a really great experience with the new maps and turn-by-turn directions. I think a lot of this is really overblown (though I do understand the desire for public transit info built-in – I didn't use it much in the old Maps app anyway).

Well that's great for you, but to the millions of iPhone users who live in major cities and don't drive, turn by turn is a non-feature. I'm not even moaning about the lack of mass transit info (which does suck) its that even the ability to navigate as a pedestrian has been down graded. The maps just don't provide enough information. Especially outside the US.

In London for example, no borough names, not clearly marking underground and overground stations, not making a clear distinction between road types. Not showing enough info unless you really zoom in, not nearly enough accurate POI information, not enough contrast between map features (yes, it may look pretty but it destroys the map's readability especially on a quick glance). plus small alleys and roads (London is full of these) don't even show up.

And then there's the little stuff. Like when two roads intersect, the road borders sometimes continue, making it look like one road has been placed on top of the other.

Maps is an essential app to someone living in a city like London. It's a bit of a deal breaker for me. I'm also on an iPhone 4, so I'm going to give ios 6 a skip until maps becomes useful again to non drivers. I was planning on getting an iPhone 5 next month too, but I'll hold off until they fix maps. Or Until google maps stand alone app arrives. I really wish they'd let us pick default apps to handle types of info.
 
Think this might be because you're in the US. Here in UK, some areas around me which were great on Google Maps are really, really awful on Apple Maps. Turn-by-turn navigation is ok, but I am not sure I will use it much since got integrated SatNav in the car.

I disagree, I do not think this is overblown at all. Lots of people here use maps a lot and replacing a product/service which we paid for and were happy with with something of inferior quality, albeit adding navigation does in my mind not justify the change. I use maps both professionally and I used to love checking streetview on my iPad a lot.

I guess we might get that "non-issue" message from Apple, as we did with the Antenna issue with iPhone 4, but hopefully they will rectify this matter soon. I would even be happy with official downgrade to iOS 5. I am starting to lose faith in Apple at the moment.

Another UK user here - I posted earlier in the thread (last night, UK time) about my experience with the 'new' Apple Maps App compared to Google - I took a walk round my home village (six miles from the centre of Nottingham, which is the sixth largest city in the UK) and the results were very poor.

Businesses established for years, completely missing, other businesses in the wrong places (streets away) on the Maps, other businesses showing that are no longer there (one went out of business in 2005, still showing on Apple's Maps).

It's almost like the base dataset they are using - in the UK at least - is *years* out of date. That's not good.

I'm well used to using a separate App for transport (Nottingham's local Bus company has an excellent Bus App!) but the biggest 'gripe' I have with Apple's maps is that they've taken a key functional component of iOS and made it significantly functionally worse - that is *not* progress - not in my book, anyway!

Yes, the new smother vector graphics are nice, and you can see the App has potential, but with inaccurate information presented, it's going to be very difficult to trust it, and that is the worst thing.

I'm going to stick to Google's Maps website for now, at least until Apple provides better data behind their Maps app, but it certainly looks like they have a lot of work to do, to get anywhere near the standard set by Google.
 
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So where are the vectors I've been promised???
 
It really isn't. Most people, at least grownups, rely on a mapping service in their everyday life and work. RELY on it ok?

It's a key selling point of the iPhone and has been working well previously. In the UK at least, it seems to be hugely flawed to the point where it simply cannot be trusted to be accurate. As soon as this happens it is not even worth opening the application. You simply can't set off on a journey hoping that you might get there, that this is one of the times Apple hasn't got the location of an entire city wrong, let alone a location within it.

At this point, Apple are more than flirting with the legal definition of 'not fit for purpose' with the maps app in the UK. This is not good for either their customers or themselves.

Totally agree. See below a Hybrid map of Brighton (I made it hybrid so that people see it is not even that zoomed in).

Can anyone out there argue this is acceptable?

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We all knew that iOS6 Maps were junk the minute we saw them in action. As expected, Apple couldn't bring them up to par with Google Maps.

The worst thing is that actual Apple customers defended Apple's decision to remove Google Maps even if it hurt their personal customer experience. :rolleyes:

Isn't their an android forum waiting for you somewhere.

Your anti apple poison is getting boring.
 
Believe me, with the number of people complaining about this, they're well aware that they need to expend some effort getting this shaped up. Not worth losing faith over. All 1.0 software has its downsides.

I don't think you understand.

Smartphone mapping is one of a handful of 'killer apps' that many users absolutely require on a phone. For many city dwellers (myself included) the new maps aren't fit for purpose. I need public transport information and street view.

Please don't tell me that I should 'keep faith' or defend the largest company in the world. Apple have made a commercial decision in their own interests and against mine; they're not earning my loyalty and trust at the moment because of this.

You also clearly have little experience of software development. The state that the maps are currently in is not going to be fixed in a month or six months. Unless Apple backs down and re-integrates Google, it's going to be a year + to correct this volume of data.

In the meantime, I won't upgrade to iOS 6 and I won't be buying a new iPhone. If Apple fail to apologies and put a clear plan in place to fix this, I'll be swapping platforms.
 
And your blind love of a piece of **** that Apple thought they could do well is annoying.

I love my iphone as much as anybody, but what possessed Apple to do this is beyond me.

I didn't say it was perfect did I?? :confused:

But it is a new feature and will only get better. Jeez!?
 
It needs a lot of work.

Hopefully Google releases a Maps app soon. Until then, I'll have iOS6 on my iPad, but not my iPhone.
 
I don't think you understand.

Smartphone mapping is one of a handful of 'killer apps' that many users absolutely require on a phone. For many city dwellers (myself included) the new maps aren't fit for purpose. I need public transport information and street view.

Please don't tell me that I should 'keep faith' or defend the largest company in the world. Apple have made a commercial decision in their own interests and against mine; they're not earning my loyalty and trust at the moment because of this.

You also clearly have little experience of software development. The state that the maps are currently in is not going to be fixed in a month or six months. Unless Apple backs down and re-integrates Google, it's going to be a year + to correct this volume of data.

In the meantime, I won't upgrade to iOS 6 and I won't be buying a new iPhone. If Apple fail to apologies and put a clear plan in place to fix this, I'll be swapping platforms.

I agree.

The problem here is that the new maps are inferior at some parts of the word. And it will take a while to get that sorted. So...whilst others are further improving their services, Apple is trying to get to the level Google Maps are at the moment.

I think we should have a choice as consumers. I do not believe that Apple should deny Google Maps from consumers who had them before. Fair enough if you buy new iPhone now and it comes shipped with it. Certainly, these maps are not what I paid for 2 years ago.

I am going to watch this space very carefully for the next 2-3 days and then decide whether or not I want to pay essentially £599 for a phone with really crap maps.
 
Ok, well I've been ignoring this thread for the past few days thinking it was just going to be some overhyped problems in the new maps app and that it wouldn't really be as bad as what everyone is making out. Then I loaded it up...

This is where I live... fully zoomed in...

I know apple want to promote iCloud and everything but come on??
 

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I don't think you understand.

Smartphone mapping is one of a handful of 'killer apps' that many users absolutely require on a phone. For many city dwellers (myself included) the new maps aren't fit for purpose. I need public transport information and street view.

Like I said, I get that not having public transportation info is a deal-breaker for some. We're on the same page here.

Please don't tell me that I should 'keep faith' or defend the largest company in the world. Apple have made a commercial decision in their own interests and against mine; they're not earning my loyalty and trust at the moment because of this.

I didn't ask anyone to defend anything.

You also clearly have little experience of software development.

That's funny, and incorrect.

The state that the maps are currently in is not going to be fixed in a month or six months. Unless Apple backs down and re-integrates Google, it's going to be a year + to correct this volume of data.

Separate from the public transportation info, the bad navigation and POI data can be corrected with much less effort, considering this data is being sourced from "TomTom and others." This is 90% a data problem, not a problem with the software itself (again, excluding public transportation info – in that case, I'd tend to agree).
 
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