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IF Apple goes ahead with this I predict the 'Sue, sue and sue Apple' brigade of lawyers will have a GDP greater than 100 of the world's sovereign nations. A sad fact of life today. Those who can do, those who can't become lawyers and sue Apple.

And there are limits on the number of physicians that can be graduated in a year, but no limits on the number of lawyers released on the jugular of the country. That's why it's such a feeding frenzy, too many lawyers and not enough cases, so they end up suing for meaningless crap and the rest of the country has to put up with the ridiculous lawsuits...
 
An "Apple Doctor" would be horrible: no matter how healthy & functional your body, they'd keep telling you every time you need to be thinner, at any cost. And once you're uselessly emaciated, they'd tell you you're really healthy & perfect.
 
Yes, and no. I've heard people talking about immunity, similar to what the police enjoy, for certain types of physicians, and 'other health practitioners'. Seriously... Immunity. Imagine that... Healthcare in America will be awash with bad doctors and botched procedures...
They already have a form of that as long as it isn’t negligent. Depending on each surgery or procedure there is an expected level of error that can occur and can protect them from lawsuits. Similar to police “immunity” which only goes into effect if the officer followed policy and wasn’t negligent.

If a surgeon is doing an operation - does the correct operation, makes a common mistake, with no negligent decisions, then it’s very hard to sue them as well.

I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but there are protections for medical personal from excessive malpractice suits. Just like there is protections for police officers from excessive malpractice suits. Similar to how many litigious careers have protections of their own. Suers gonna sue.
 
And there are limits on the number of physicians that can be graduated in a year, but no limits on the number of lawyers released on the jugular of the country. That's why it's such a feeding frenzy, too many lawyers and not enough cases, so they end up suing for meaningless crap and the rest of the country has to put up with the ridiculous lawsuits...

Licensing requirements are a way of limiting competition to keep up prices; so doctors have a vested interest in reducing supply. Why do they fight letting NP's practice independently? Or foreign doctors jump through hopes to get a US license? Yes, there are some second rate foreign med schools but a lot of really good ones so you could vary the requirements.

Unfortunately for lawyers it's easier and cheaper to start a law school than a medical school.

It's all about the money. As an engineer, I wish the profession had required a PE before you could work as an engineer. That would have greatly reduced competition and drive up salaries. I always found it odd I could change a piece of equipment at a nuclear plant with the stroke of a pen, or work on aircraft design, without a PE, but my barber needed a license.

The days of the local doctor having the 'big house on the hill' are gone for many types of physicians. Unfortunately 'family practice' has always seemed to be at the bottom.

Yea, our GP once told us his friends who went to B-School instead of Med school not only made a lot more but had a lot less overhead. He enjoyed being an MD and helping people but he had a middle class lifestyle, and a ton of debt.

An "Apple Doctor" would be horrible: no matter how healthy & functional your body, they'd keep telling you every time you need to be thinner, at any cost. And once you're uselessly emaciated, they'd tell you you're really healthy & perfect.

Not only that, but at first they's tell you "curves are good," then "no, flat as a board;" not to mention a fertility specialist telling you "You're holding it wrong.."
 
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At the next Apple presentation: "And just for $299 per month, ApplePrimaryCare* is bundled with TV, Podcasts, Arcade, Music and Health. Magical!"

"You can buy ApplePrimaryCare+ addition - for just $599 extra which entitles you to 4 additional free appointments per year".

* maximum 1 appointment per two months
 
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I really like that I can get health stuff via my phone... except I'm 52 and my eyes are crap. I need to be able to see the same data on my iPad or computer. Why can't I do this in 2021??? (and yes, I do send feedback to Apple on it to no avail)
 
Sure, 'live for the moment', however the issues you face in the future are often the things we ignore in our youth.

And I worked for a company that was 'self-insured'. My take was they basically set aside moneys to cover employee healthcare, and it worked out really well, until costs started skyrocketing. Then they brought in a 'management company' to help with the charges and also raised their co-pays. In the beginning, there were no co-pays for prescribed meds, and that changed. Eventually they went to a traditional HMO system and people balked at the cost and level of care, and they now use a 'blue' plan system. People are still not exactly happy, but it's working. They instituted 'health savings accounts' too which drive people nuts, but so be it.
This is similar to what we did but we never went HMO even as a choice. My Dad and Uncle hated HMOs so that wasn't happening. My mom reviewed every EOB to check for errors against our plan (normally saving the employee AND ourselves money because they billed wrong). They sold the business, and I'm sure at this point they would have dumped the self funded aspect. Heck, at one time my daughter was using more each month than what the total bill had been. My Dad also said 1 premature baby wold ruin your budget for the year. It wasn't negative - it was just a factual statement for the CFO to make - we even joked about it after my daughters stay in NICU.

It is brutal out there in this area - we need someone with a viable great plan to implement a national level of some sort. I sit here in FL desperately needing my state to expand Medicaid. It would be life altering for me and my current medial needs. At best, put all government employees along with Congress on some random states Medicaid and see how quickly they "fix" things.
 
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With Apple taking a 30% cut of your salary thereafter since you’re only alive thanks to Apple Doctor.
 
If Apple can bring their design philosophy and help simplify and improve the absolute hell on Earth that American healthcare and insurance is, I’m all for it.
 
I like the integration with local primary care physicians instead. Perhaps Apple can continue to build artificial intelligence to alert users of potential conditions, but I think having a doctor you have an relationship with analyze that data and determine required additional testing and the course of treatment, makes more sense.

That said, we’re approaching a time when you won’t need physical contact with a doctor since sensors in your smart devices can give them the insight they need to diagnose you.
 
Not only that, but at first they's tell you "curves are good," then "no, flat as a board;" not to mention a fertility specialist telling you "You're holding it wrong.."

Jony Ive‘s life mission is to impose his own personal preferences on everyone and everything. Even though he is no longer an Apple employee, he still consults on Apple designs. If he consults on Apple‘s fertility clinic design, maybe he would replace donor samples with his own.
 
healthcare was much better before insurance came long! just as drivers were much better before car insurance! you got to pay all the damages and got to continue making payments on your wrecked car, made people think twice!
 
Yes, and no. I've heard people talking about immunity, similar to what the police enjoy, for certain types of physicians, and 'other health practitioners'. Seriously... Immunity. Imagine that... Healthcare in America will be awash with bad doctors and botched procedures...
You mean like most of the rest of the world where successful malpractice lawsuits are very rare (or outright prohibited)?

There are many different approaches to review that do not result in lawsuit lottery, including independent expert panel, arbitration, etc., often resulting in fairer outcomes and more direct removal of bad doctors.
 
Ohhh a knock-out argument "We've always done it this way!", instead of trying to improve things.
There are a few companies that are trying variants of what Apple is proposing here. Forward Health, One Medical, Tytocare, among others. I would love to see what service Apple, Google, Microsoft, and others build in this space. Take advantage of anonymized data to find things before they happen. The biggest problem will be that their customers who would participate in this are not likely to be a very broad ethnic, racial, gender, and age mix, that is likely to skew the data they gather.

Having said that, I am not sure I would want to use any of them or that they will be great, or that it really makes sense for them. Curious what you think about it @Absolute Trainwreck (as someone whose perspective is often different from mine)? I can see it being really cool, or an absolute disaster. Not considering price (who knows what that will be), would you consider this from any of them? I can see each having strengths and weaknesses, not sure which would be the most interesting.
 
They already have a form of that as long as it isn’t negligent. Depending on each surgery or procedure there is an expected level of error that can occur and can protect them from lawsuits. Similar to police “immunity” which only goes into effect if the officer followed policy and wasn’t negligent.

If a surgeon is doing an operation - does the correct operation, makes a common mistake, with no negligent decisions, then it’s very hard to sue them as well.

I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but there are protections for medical personal from excessive malpractice suits. Just like there is protections for police officers from excessive malpractice suits. Similar to how many litigious careers have protections of their own. Suers gonna sue.

Who are you?

The common mantra among ER docs is you can do everything right, EVERYTHING, and STILL BE SUED! Still be sued. Still, be sued.

Everything right, and still be sued. Seriously... It happens all too often.
 
Licensing requirements are a way of limiting competition to keep up prices; so doctors have a vested interest in reducing supply. Why do they fight letting NP's practice independently? Or foreign doctors jump through hopes to get a US license? Yes, there are some second rate foreign med schools but a lot of really good ones so you could vary the requirements.

Unfortunately for lawyers it's easier and cheaper to start a law school than a medical school.

It's all about the money. As an engineer, I wish the profession had required a PE before you could work as an engineer. That would have greatly reduced competition and drive up salaries. I always found it odd I could change a piece of equipment at a nuclear plant with the stroke of a pen, or work on aircraft design, without a PE, but my barber needed a license.



Yea, our GP once told us his friends who went to B-School instead of Med school not only made a lot more but had a lot less overhead. He enjoyed being an MD and helping people but he had a middle class lifestyle, and a ton of debt.



Not only that, but at first they's tell you "curves are good," then "no, flat as a board;" not to mention a fertility specialist telling you "You're holding it wrong.."

WHAT? It's not 'doctors' limiting graduates from medical school, it's POLITICIANS, who are predominantly lawyers. Seriously...
 
I sit here in FL desperately needing my state to expand Medicaid. It would be life altering for me and my current medial needs. At best, put all government employees along with Congress on some random states Medicaid and see how quickly they "fix" things.

Florida is not the state to be in if you require healthcare, affordable or not...

De Santos is too busy flying his freak flag to give a bucket if spit about anyone suffering in FloriDUH. From COVID to, well, pick something, and he's gone the wrong way on almost all of it. It's damned sad. Tragic even. And he thinks he could be the next president. *YIKES*
 
You mean like most of the rest of the world where successful malpractice lawsuits are very rare (or outright prohibited)?

There are many different approaches to review that do not result in lawsuit lottery, including independent expert panel, arbitration, etc., often resulting in fairer outcomes and more direct removal of bad doctors.

Well the Texas mess is a, mess... Bad doctors are getting away with malpractice because lawyers look at the case, and decide it's not worth scaling the apparatus put in place to limit lawsuits. People with LEGITIMATE CASES are being turned away because of that. Crappy docs are walking from cases that should put them out of business...
 
I wouldn't want Apple to have all of my health data. Sounds like a mess to me and it's already a mess.
Thankfully the healthcare system I'm on is not on the list that would transfer to/from.
 
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