WWDC 2008:Why is Apple waiting on Blu-Ray?

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  1. Play4keeps macrumors regular

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    Im at a point where more drives is not the answer.5+TB is plenty (i need disk archives)
    I quietly waited for WWDC 2008 Thinking Blu-Ray BANG NOT A WORD:confused:

    Has ppl had any luck with aftermarket blue ray burnz if so which?

    This issue has been bought up b4 but i hoped "WWDC 2008" (wrong)
    would have changed that so back to the same BS of buying drives:mad:
     
  2. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Steve believes optical media to be dead. Thus, Apple will not invest in a dying technology.
     
  3. Play4keeps thread starter macrumors regular

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    Sounds more like Steve Anthony Ballmer:eek:agree?
     
  4. MacHappytjg macrumors 65816

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    what about movies there always going to put it on something so u can buy it since not every one steals, or knows about torrents ooops i said to much
     
  5. Lord Zedd macrumors 6502a

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    BluRay works great on Apple's system for burning/reading data. The only thing you can't do is watch HD movies with it.

    There are several companies that sell mac-specific bluray drive kits.
     
  6. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Apple's solution is the iTunes Movie Store with HD downloads. Thus, no need for optical media.
     
  7. MacHappytjg macrumors 65816

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    no crap hd dvd and bluray are different things they dont even make hd dvd anymore
     
  8. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Excuse me, but yes, HD DVD drives are still manufactured. LG still has several models of Blu-ray/HD DVD combo drives. I have one of them.

    He said NOTHING about HD DVD. HD means High Definition. Blu-ray is High Definition. HD movies can either be Blu-ray or HD DVD. Please do research.
     
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  10. skye12 macrumors 65816

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    It'll happen sometime later this year, first on the Mac Pro.
     
  11. rpaloalto macrumors 6502a

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    I also don't see apple getting blue ray any time soon. I don't think Apple is ready allow hdcp in their machines.

    If we do get blue ray. I have a feeling it would be non hdcp compliant. Intended for hd video projects. Or for those who desire to take advantage of the larger storage benefits. Just minus the hdcp so no Hollywood blue ray movies. At least until Apple is the only one left, not having blue ray drives.
     
  12. Lord Zedd macrumors 6502a

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    They have plenty of power to decode the video, even the single CPU MacPro has ample power to handle it. Apple just does not have HDCP encryption support.

    There really isn't any reason for them to NOT put it in their pro system right now or months ago, even for data storage and disc mastering. Like it or not, BluRay is the video format of choice and 4.7/8.5gb per disc just doesn't cut it anymore.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Firefly2002 macrumors 65816

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    Can you not watch Blu-Ray content while in Windows on the Mac Pro either?

    If Steve says it's a dead technology, he's probably right. He's done/said things before that I've called him a moron for, and he's turned out to be right.

    Granted, most of what he says *is* ********, but that's only when he's covering up for failures (like for example, his BS excuse that "the industry has hit a wall with 90nm" which was meaningless since Intel had just switched to a new design which clocked much lower than NetBurst), not for things they could do but aren't.

    I've heard it before.. I guess it's true, which kinda sucks, because I like having things on discs or tapes, lol.

    CD players are obviously dead, and I guess that's due to increased storage capacities and bandwidth.
     
  15. pilotError macrumors 68020

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    Maybe they need the core services rewritten to support the DRM.

    Snow Leopard?
     
  16. Play4keeps thread starter macrumors regular

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    ;)I think ya nailed it.
     
  17. Mad Mac macrumors regular

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    He's saying that because it's self serving. Apple would love for all movies to be downloaded via iTunes. Why would they support something that takes away from their bottom line? I'm sure they would love to remove optical drives from all their computers period.

    1. Do downloaded movies have the resolution and audio bitrate of BluRay? No.
    2. Do downloaded movies come with all of the extras, outtakes, director commentaries, etc.? No.

    Those 2 reasons are enough for me to get BluRay rentals from Netflix/Blockbuster vs downloading movies.

    Sure there are plenty of people that don't mind lower bitrates on their music (mp3's) and video (mpeg 4, etc.), but there's still plenty of people that want the BEST that's available. And BluRay is currently the best audio/video format available. The drives are available NOW (slot loading and tray). There are PC's available with BluRay NOW. There's no real reason for Apple not to have them as well. Lame.
     
  18. FF_productions macrumors 68030

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    Sooner or later, they MUST incorporate it. Especially for the pro market, soon most peeps are gonna have to author to blu-ray and with no support from Apple, well people may have to reach out to Windows to get the work done.
     
  19. Play4keeps thread starter macrumors regular

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    :(Truth Hurts
     
  20. ray_uk macrumors member

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    Their alternative

    They probably dont sell blu ray based systems because they already sell the alternative on itunes. As for those who want to backup onto blu ray, nothing stopping them from just adding one in or plugging in a external.
     
  21. tom. macrumors 6502

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    When the machine is fully HDCP compliant, the BD burner will come. One thing I have learnt about Apple is that they don't release something that 'half-works', I think they're just waiting for the right time.
     
  22. gazfocus macrumors 68000

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    I agree with what's been said, that Apple are trying to guide people down the 'download from iTunes' path, and that's fair enough, but there are many reasons why people prefer physical media.

    For me, it's as simple as, if I buy 100 HD movies and my Mac gets stolen, will the insurance cover them? no! If I buy 100 Blu-Ray Films from the shop and they get stolen, will the insurance cover them? yes!

    Apple needs to realise that the industry isn't going to move away from physical media because it's worth far more in the real world than an MP3 or MPEG4 download.
     
  23. zmttoxics macrumors 65816

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    HD-DVD really is dead though. LG is only making those drives for the people who got stuck with HD-DVD collections. Toshiba was the leading manufacturer for that stuff and they stopped making it all. Most major film companies have already officially ditched HD-DVD for blu-ray (including the porn industry).

    In other words, ya they are being made, but not for long and with no new media. Good thing yours is a half and half one :D.
     
  24. rpaloalto macrumors 6502a

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    Like I said in my previous post. I just don't see apple accepting hdcp. You can author blue ray hd video with out hdcp. The hdcp is just their for the hollywood blue ray movies.
     
  25. toke lahti macrumors 68000

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    But you can't author BD with FinalCutStudio. And since Apple wants to ignore BD, you'll have to buy Premiere to author.
    Next question is, should you buy just Adobe's CS and forget about FCS...
     

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