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The problem with iOS is that’s a mature OS that really doesn’t need anything new. That’s why it’s all so boring. What more can they really do with a phone OS?
Rofl, that’s the same talk about the iPhone. iPhone 16 will be the same as 15, 14,13,12.

It’s so boring because all this has been shown by other companies long before.

For me it was a very uninspiring keynote with a big “ME TOO” on it.
 
I watched this Apple show. Maybe it's me but I found it cluttered with too much information in too little time.

And concerning all this AI stuff, it seems to me that Apple is making it so you present yourself in a manner that Apple, in all its wisdom, believes you would want to have others perceive you.

Apple's AI is person centered rather than topic centered - and I don't like it.
 
I've just begun watching the keynote. So far, they're trying to shove "this", "that", skydiving, and TV+ in my face. I'm not offended, but I'm also not impressed. The skydiving video was kind of lame, which makes me question their judgment in TV matters. Plus, I don't have TV, so they'd have to really sell me on it more than anybody who has tried in the last 12-14 years.

All television is boring. Apple Vision sounds interesting, even for productivity or games. If I can have a 72" monitor without having a 72" monitor, that would be kind of nice. I just don't want to spent $4500 for the privilege, lol! I'll wait and see on that one.

Hey, can somebody get that dude to come down off the roof? He's casting a shadow on the solar panels!

Man, we've spent a lot of time on the home screen. I guess it's okay. I still want to know how they're going to fix Siri.

"In Apple Related News today, an Amazon delivery driver was crushed by the garage door at the home of an Apple executive. The door was activated during Craig Federini's presentation during the WWDC keynote address."

I like that satellite messages feature. Now there's no reason for me not to go on that hiking trip to Reykjavik!

Still waiting to hear about Siri. I use her everyday and she has been very bad for years now.
 
As far as I have understood, and except the early possibility to use ChatGTP, without any real privacy!, "Apple Intelligence" by itself should not come before next year. Will it be a "super powered Siri" ? We will have to wait.
Some features to be expected with Apple Intelligence are, and some not very far of was somehow "promised" a long time ago with the introduction of Siri, is to integrate the data available in iOS or MacOS applications to deduce, highlight or propose some filters or actions.
The only problem with this approach is that if you don't use Apple devices 24h a days for all your activities, online interactions, music and more, the "internal AI" will be based on incomplete informations...

I observed this point with my Apple Watch since many years : I am retired, and when I am at home, I don't usually wear my watch. I wear it when I am going out, or during travel or vacation . Recently, I travelled 1 week to Scotland, and I was wearing my watch almost all the time. I had therefore at the end of my travel a notification that my rest heath rate had decreased, since it has been since a long time that I had not used my watch during night !

Imagine now that you want to ask to "Apple intelligence" , as the exemple shown during the keynote, at what time your mother will arrive at the airport, if your mother is not in your address book, and or or if the email used to send you the flight information were not coming from your mother's email ?
It is nice to see that it should be working in the future (although not yet functional) , as it was nice to see what was promised a long time ago by Siri.

In short : in app information can be incomplete and any analysis of these data can lead to bad proposition/conclusion by "Apple Intelligence" !
 
I don’t know about that.

What LLMs are actually capable of today and at the time iOS 18 drops is far beyond what Apple will let us do with its Apple Intelligence.

But the giving AI tools to the masses and integrating it with all the users info and content on their devices will make it easier to access for people that would otherwise never interact with it.

It’s better Apple plays it safe and makes sure users get as little bad output as possible before doing a massive rollout.
Yes, Apple Intelligence is behind the curve as you note. But, I'm not concerned with a slower pace of integration of "Apple Intelligence" or generative AI into apps. It will take time to figure out how, say, a calendar app can take proper advantage of such integration. You would not want the kinds of quick integration that allowed general queries such as "Write a story about a squirrel and a walnut" in LLM-driven customer service chat apps.

I'm more critical of licensing and integrating ChatGPT into Siri the way they have done it. It is weak tea, a me-too, and a lame attempt to freeze a market that caught Apple execs asleep at the wheel. As the rumor (from MacRumors, I believe) has it, Federighi didn't have a clue about LLMs until he played with one over Christmas vacation? That should be horribly embarrassing for Apple since the tech industry has been working on integrating LLMs for the last couple of years.
 
None of the apps I wanted to run on my Mac would run because all the devs opted out. The only one I have is an app for my router, but I'd rather just use the web portal for that if I'm on my computer.
yeah. allowing the developers to opt-out without reason is the death knell on the usefulness on that feature. Also, touch optimized apps on a mouse based OS just feels awkward
 
I am old, almost 70. I've been paid to program for 50 years. I was underwhelmed. Most of what Apple announced was obvious (context for AI? wow, it's like someone read a 40-year-old AI textbook), derivative (proofreading and rewriting -- you mean how kids and professionals have been using LLMs for the last couple of years), represents diminishing returns for effort spent (rearranging and coloring icons on my phone), or downright no value (adding pictures of lizards riding surfboards in DMs).

Don't get me wrong. It all represents evolution and improvement of their software. No doubt, their system will be better, though it could also suffer from Apple trying to make it everything to everyone. It just wasn't impressive, as the drop in stock price verifies.
The drop in stock almost always occurs followed quickly by a rebound and maybe even higher. I expected it and was confident all was normal when it happened.
 
I watched this Apple show. Maybe it's me but I found it cluttered with too much information in too little time.

And concerning all this AI stuff, it seems to me that Apple is making it so you present yourself in a manner that Apple, in all its wisdom, believes you would want to have others perceive you.

Apple's AI is person centered rather than topic centered - and I don't like it.
I think that person-centered AI can be very useful. The trick is what context (both personal and topic-wise) is brought to bear.

The point you bring up that is worthy of much thoughtful reflection is contained in the phrase "in a manner that Apple, in all its wisdom, believes you would want to have others perceive you." Anyone who has played with generative AI knows that it is biased by its source material. What will Apple's source material be? Will Apple present you as you are or as Apple would like an Apple employee to be? Can you be diverse (personally, politically, and intellectually) outside of some definition of acceptable diversity that Apple would like to enforce?

A test I have for search engines and AI is to query it about the second US-Iraq war. Back before Google used AI to tailor results, you could find lots of diverse information and perspectives with little effort. Today, it takes real work and very specific queries to get similar results. Tests I've done on ChatGPT 3, ChatGPT 4, LLama2, and LLama3 take a lot of work and querying to get them to break out of the Western political view of the war and admit certain undisputed facts. These systems are biased, dare I say influenced heavily, by source material that is dominated by specific viewpoints (read propaganda, for all intents and purposes). This is an inherent aspect of humans and LLMs.
 
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If there’s no way…none that I can see so far, to import passwords from 1Password into this new app, I won’t switch. Too much stuff to do one by one.
 
Mature company. Mature products. Vision Pro has been a flop. Phone are mature market with little growth.
 
Most of the improvements for Siri are on-device models, that will be restricted to a few models of Macs ,iPhones, iPads. I wouldn't want confidential data to leave my device into Siri cloud. Its the price you pay for on device inference.
they did announce Apple cloud computing as well. Worst case they could have added it to iCloud subscriptions For old devices. You’d feel the pain of waiting for responses hard enough to still offer the higher speed on device. Besides they are probably royaly going to f people anyway when we see the early m4 for iPad Pro. Whatever is happening Next will require more neural engin magic to get you to drop another 1000€.
 
Mature company. Mature products. Vision Pro has been a flop. Phone are mature market with little growth.
A flop that made them over a billion being released just in one marked. Less billions than alegetly expected, yet still over a billion. Most people here would be ok having this kind of flop with what essentially has been a early access product so far.
 
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