WWDC, El Capitan & iOS9 Utterly Devoid of Innovation

AllThingsApple007

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Longtime Apple fanboy here, but gravely concerned about the company's current path. I found WWDC 2015 to be utterly and completely uninspiring. No new hardware at all. We are long overdue for a mid range iMac refresh, not to mention an iPad Pro and Apple TV. Apple has always been about innovation, creativity, new products and technologies that change us. WWDC had none that. El Capitan, after a year in development, offered nothing but some small tweaks. Even Craig F had a hard time generating excitement during his presentation. Why is Siri not yet integrated into OS X? How can Microsoft have introduced Cortana years after Siri and leapfrogged it? Really disappointing. iOS9 offered a little more, but in reality, just played catchup with what Android and Windows have had for years. Sadly, the most innovative and interesting thing I saw was the new two finger UI on the iPad for cursor control. Apple you need to being to think about merging iOS and OS X now. Your incremental baby steps seem hesitant and unsure and you will fall behind in two categories you invented. Windows, although its been a painful road for them, is already there. The Surface Pro 3 is the first product I have seen that can truly replace a laptop. It's an awesome product Apple. Together with Windows 10, it's the most viable option for the corporate world. Here's a challenge Apple, let's see you surpass it, not in a small way, but in some major, incremental way. Don't demonstrate a continued lack of innovation and inspiration by introducing an iPad Pro which is just "bigger." Redesign and get rid of the bloated bezels. And how about true multi-tasking, USB ports, peripharal device management, 2k or 4k display, innovative keyboard design or even something simple like holding the shift key swaps the top line between numbers and symbols, kick stand, better cameras, force touch across the entire screen and deeply integrated into the OS, integrated file/folder management, built in remote access/control of Macs, Hey Siri always on... I could go on forever. iPhone and iPad are both ready for a major redesign. Innovate, innovate, innovate. You have nearly unlimited financial resources to acquire, develop, and hire the best minds and technology available. With Steve Jobs gone, you need to look outside as well as within.
 

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I don't think most of us that have picked up  products are looking for innovation at this point. I would say the direction for the company should be refinement and stability. It's great if we steal some ideas from other companies and improve on them but being a first mover in the tech industry seems to be the wrong move.
 
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You can always go and make your own tablet with useless 4k displays, blackjack and hookers.

WWDC is a developers (Software) conference and since everybody was bitching about bugs in Yosemite and iOS, they decided to add small cool tweaks here and there but focus heavily on stability and optimizations to the OS. Weren't you listening?
 

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Longtime Apple fanboy here…
“Member Since: Today” Welcome to the forums.

…but gravely concerned about the company's current path. I found WWDC 2015 to be utterly and completely uninspiring. No new hardware at all. We are long overdue for a mid range iMac refresh, not to mention an iPad Pro and Apple TV.
Traditionally the World Wide Developers Conference has been for exactly that; developers. When chipsets are ready and deals are finalised there will certainly be new hardware in the fall.

Apple you need to being to think about merging iOS and OS X now. Your incremental baby steps seem hesitant and unsure and you will fall behind in two categories you invented. Windows, although its been a painful road for them, is already there. The Surface Pro 3 is the first product I have seen that can truly replace a laptop. It's an awesome product Apple. Together with Windows 10, it's the most viable option for the corporate world.
We still need trucks, software tailored appropriately for each setting is the sweet spot. A catch–all super system attempting everything is unfocused and often decidedly average.

kick stand
No.

better cameras
Whose sensors and imaging software are you comparing Apple’s against? Without hyperbole they are the best in the business for photography.

iPhone and iPad are both ready for a major redesign.
The current iPhone 6 and 6 Plus industrial designs are less than 9 months old.

Innovate, innovate, innovate. You have nearly unlimited financial resources to acquire, develop, and hire the best minds and technology available. With Steve Jobs gone, you need to look outside as well as within.
Be sure to submit your résumé.
 

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Im quite glad, OS X and iOS 8 NEEDED a stability/performance release. If that comes at cost of 1 year with only a few changes I'm willing to make that sacrifice. Since they are annual releases does it really make that much difference as in years gone by there would be a few years between OS releases OS X wise (and Windows), so if they only added loads of features every other release it would still be quicker than years ago.

Hardware announcements generally happen in September and October, with the occasional exception so i never except any at WWDC.

El Captian i really like its just so dam quick compared to Yosemite. Cannot wait to deploy it to our 200 Macs at work later in the year (which are all on Mavericks still). iOS 9 did seem to bring a lot of improvements to the iPad with multitasking and being more productive in it.
 

AllThingsApple007

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Im quite glad, OS X and iOS 8 NEEDED a stability/performance release. If that comes at cost of 1 year with only a few changes I'm willing to make that sacrifice. Since they are annual releases does it really make that much difference as in years gone by there would be a few years between OS releases OS X wise (and Windows), so if they only added loads of features every other release it would still be quicker than years ago.

Hardware announcements generally happen in September and October, with the occasional exception so i never except any at WWDC.

El Captian i really like its just so dam quick compared to Yosemite. Cannot wait to deploy it to our 200 Macs at work later in the year (which are all on Mavericks still). iOS 9 did seem to bring a lot of improvements to the iPad with multitasking and being more productive in it.
The jarring glitches and bugs in iOS 8 and Yosemite proves pushing for more features is not always good. Slowing down a bit can ensure better optimization and stability.

Why would a company with Apple's abilities and resources release operating systems with "jarring glitches and bugs" and not take the subsequent year to resolve them through incremental updates? That's the time for stability improvements and enhancements. The annual cycle should be reserved for leaps forward. Apple seems mired down devoid of any new ideas for OS X and iOS.
 

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Critics are constantly talking out of both sides of their mouths. They simultaneously want impossibly fast innovation and products that are completely bug free. You can't have both, and El Capitan and iOS9 are representative of reality, not catering to critics who will be unhappy no matter what happens.
 

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Why would a company with Apple's abilities and resources release operating systems with "jarring glitches and bugs" and not take the subsequent year to resolve them through incremental updates? That's the time for stability improvements and enhancements. The annual cycle should be reserved for leaps forward. Apple seems mired down devoid of any new ideas for OS X and iOS.
Tell Apple what you think.
http://www.apple.com/feedback
 

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Apple is gonna reserve hardware announcements for separate events. WWDC is a developers conference focused on discussing the latest software updates, technologies, etc. The iPad Pro and Apple TV are larger product updates so those will likely see their own event(s).
 
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Why would a company with Apple's abilities and resources release operating systems with "jarring glitches and bugs" and not take the subsequent year to resolve them through incremental updates? That's the time for stability improvements and enhancements. The annual cycle should be reserved for leaps forward. Apple seems mired down devoid of any new ideas for OS X and iOS.
Do you really think it's that easy to make huge leaps forward every year? You must not realize much about all the work that goes into the development of an operating system. And by the way, Apple can't just go out and hire people like you suggest. I think they are very careful in choosing folks who will fit in with the company, otherwise you risk losing the focus of the entire company.


So? We should all butt out? Not a hope in hell. Get used to it.
OK then, add something to the conversation. Seriously though, what's the last phone that had a kickstand? Was it an HTC? How enormous was that thing?
 

AllThingsApple007

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Do you really think it's that easy to make huge leaps forward every year? You must not realize much about all the work that goes into the development of an operating system. And by the way, Apple can't just go out and hire people like you suggest. I think they are very careful in choosing folks who will fit in with the company, otherwise you risk losing the focus of the entire company.




OK then, add something to the conversation. Seriously though, what's the last phone that had a kickstand? Was it an HTC? How enormous was that thing?

My kickstand comment was directed at the upcoming iPad Pro. Not a phone. If the iPad Pro is going to be north of 12 inches, like the Surface Pro 3, I think it should have some way to keeping itself upright. Simple and straight forward. And just a observation/request, not a demand or tirade.
 

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Longtime Apple fanboy here, but gravely concerned about the company's current path. I found WWDC 2015 to be utterly and completely uninspiring. No new hardware at all. We are long overdue for a mid range iMac refresh, not to mention an iPad Pro and Apple TV. Apple has always been about innovation, creativity, new products and technologies that change us. WWDC had none that. El Capitan, after a year in development, offered nothing but some small tweaks. Even Craig F had a hard time generating excitement during his presentation. Why is Siri not yet integrated into OS X? How can Microsoft have introduced Cortana years after Siri and leapfrogged it? Really disappointing. iOS9 offered a little more, but in reality, just played catchup with what Android and Windows have had for years. Sadly, the most innovative and interesting thing I saw was the new two finger UI on the iPad for cursor control. Apple you need to being to think about merging iOS and OS X now. Your incremental baby steps seem hesitant and unsure and you will fall behind in two categories you invented. Windows, although its been a painful road for them, is already there. The Surface Pro 3 is the first product I have seen that can truly replace a laptop. It's an awesome product Apple. Together with Windows 10, it's the most viable option for the corporate world. Here's a challenge Apple, let's see you surpass it, not in a small way, but in some major, incremental way. Don't demonstrate a continued lack of innovation and inspiration by introducing an iPad Pro which is just "bigger." Redesign and get rid of the bloated bezels. And how about true multi-tasking, USB ports, peripharal device management, 2k or 4k display, innovative keyboard design or even something simple like holding the shift key swaps the top line between numbers and symbols, kick stand, better cameras, force touch across the entire screen and deeply integrated into the OS, integrated file/folder management, built in remote access/control of Macs, Hey Siri always on... I could go on forever. iPhone and iPad are both ready for a major redesign. Innovate, innovate, innovate. You have nearly unlimited financial resources to acquire, develop, and hire the best minds and technology available. With Steve Jobs gone, you need to look outside as well as within.
I agree with you but only up to a point. First, the year isn't over, so we don't yet fully know about their upcoming products. Second, we can't expect for them to innovate and release new features every single year or they would run out of ideas pretty quickly (stability and performance improvements are nice once in a while). They do, however, need to update some of their products including the Airport Express, Apple TV, iPods, and Thunderbolt display.
Siri could have come to OS X this year, I agree. With proactive, it seemed like the perfect opportunity.
 

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Why would a company with Apple's abilities and resources release operating systems with "jarring glitches and bugs" and not take the subsequent year to resolve them through incremental updates? That's the time for stability improvements and enhancements. The annual cycle should be reserved for leaps forward. Apple seems mired down devoid of any new ideas for OS X and iOS.
You really can't just throw money and make things take less time. Bugs still take time to fix. If you make the team bigger, that doesn't always fix the problem either. You say it should be reserved for leaps forward... then ignore the things that Apple brought to the table from an under-the-hood perspective. Innovation isn't always consumer facing.
 

VSMacOne

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My kickstand comment was directed at the upcoming iPad Pro. Not a phone. If the iPad Pro is going to be north of 12 inches, like the Surface Pro 3, I think it should have some way to keeping itself upright. Simple and straight forward. And just a observation/request, not a demand or tirade.
Well you need to elaborate on that and probably it would be helpful if you broke down your post in different paragraphs. And your tone in the initial post does have the air of a demand/tirade.

What you may see as catch-up in iOS9 I see as Apple waiting until a feature is ready to be well done, rather than just throw it into an OS like many versions of Android and Windows Phone.

Plus, you really don't know all that iOS 9 will include by the time it's all said and done this Fall. I imagine there are a few tricks tied to the new hardware and Apple usually likes to save a few surprises for the Fall event.
 

AllThingsApple007

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Ill say this again as the OP hasnt got it yet and is still replying.

WWDC ISNT A HARDWARE CONFERENCE

Really? For your future reference when making such claims:

WWDC June 2006 - Introduction of the Mac Pro
WWDC June 2008 - Introduction of the iPhone 3G
WWDC June 2009 - 13in MacBook Pro was unveiled; 15in/17in MacBook Pros refreshed; iPhone 3GS introduced
WWDC June 2010 - iPhone 4 introduced
WWDC June 2012 - New models of MacBook Air/MacBook Pro, and MacBook Pro with Retina Display
WWDC June 2013 - New Mac Pro and new MacBook Air introduced
WWDC June 2014 - No hardware.
WWDC June 2015 - No hardware.

So I think it fair to say that when Apple has something to introduce, they introduce it at WWDC.
 

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Used el Capitan and ios9 last few days. Personally I think the metal api usage is huge. It is so noticeable that I think it alone warrants the new versions.
 
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AllThingsApple007

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Used el Capitan and ios9 last few days. Personally I think the metal api usage is huge. It is so noticeable that I think it alone warrants the new versions.
Good to hear. Speed and stability are always important. I'm not sure Metal is being used to its fullest potential yet but time will tell.
 
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Really? For your future reference when making such claims:

WWDC June 2006 - Introduction of the Mac Pro
WWDC June 2008 - Introduction of the iPhone 3G
WWDC June 2009 - 13in MacBook Pro was unveiled; 15in/17in MacBook Pros refreshed; iPhone 3GS introduced
WWDC June 2010 - iPhone 4 introduced
WWDC June 2012 - New models of MacBook Air/MacBook Pro, and MacBook Pro with Retina Display
WWDC June 2013 - New Mac Pro and new MacBook Air introduced
WWDC June 2014 - No hardware.
WWDC June 2015 - No hardware.

So I think it fair to say that when Apple has something to introduce, they introduce it at WWDC.
Almost every pizza joint in the USA also sells chicken wings, does that mean we should start referring to them as "wing shops"? No, because pizza is obviously the focal point. Same thing with WWDC- the fact that hardware is often introduced in no way indicated that hardware is a primary focus of the conference. It is a developer conference with hardware introductions, not a hardware conference with some developer sessions here and there.

And yes, I used a pizza analogy because I have a pizza on the way. Sue me. :D
 

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Really? For your future reference when making such claims:

WWDC June 2006 - Introduction of the Mac Pro
WWDC June 2008 - Introduction of the iPhone 3G
WWDC June 2009 - 13in MacBook Pro was unveiled; 15in/17in MacBook Pros refreshed; iPhone 3GS introduced
WWDC June 2010 - iPhone 4 introduced
WWDC June 2012 - New models of MacBook Air/MacBook Pro, and MacBook Pro with Retina Display
WWDC June 2013 - New Mac Pro and new MacBook Air introduced
WWDC June 2014 - No hardware.
WWDC June 2015 - No hardware.

So I think it fair to say that when Apple has something to introduce, they introduce it at WWDC.
I think the past couple of years will set the tone for the future. It's come to the point that there is more than enough software talk to fill in the entire keynote (iOS, OS X, watchOS). There have been a lot of changes in the past couple of years.

Your argument still does not change the fact that it's called a Developer conference and the main focus of these has been and will be SOFTWARE. Hardware is a bonus at these things.
 
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Really? For your future reference when making such claims:

WWDC June 2006 - Introduction of the Mac Pro
WWDC June 2008 - Introduction of the iPhone 3G
WWDC June 2009 - 13in MacBook Pro was unveiled; 15in/17in MacBook Pros refreshed; iPhone 3GS introduced
WWDC June 2010 - iPhone 4 introduced
WWDC June 2012 - New models of MacBook Air/MacBook Pro, and MacBook Pro with Retina Display
WWDC June 2013 - New Mac Pro and new MacBook Air introduced
WWDC June 2014 - No hardware.
WWDC June 2015 - No hardware.

So I think it fair to say that when Apple has something to introduce, they introduce it at WWDC.
All iphones, all iPads, the apple watch.. All three of their top selling products WERE NOT shown at WWDC.. But yeah mate they announce everythin at these developers conferences..

Also.. Ios 1, ios 2, ios 3, ios 4 (im naming them all stupidly because you did) ios 5, ios 6, ios 7, ios 8, ios 9 were all announced at the DEVELOPERS conferences
 
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