i hope the toolbar-collapse button on the top right of the panther finder window works the same as in jaguar. i'm old-fashioned when it comes to the Finder and prefer working in a more OS 9-like environment. anyone else use the X finder toolbarless?
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hey folks-
if you're like me, you find yourself drooling over some of the new features in Panther. Since I can't play with them hands-on yet, I keep viewing certain parts of the keynote stream over and over again.
Here are reference movies which just show the segments on Exposé and Fast User Switching. These should work for as long as the stream is online.
Exposé
http://www.pascal.com/misc/expose.mov
Fast User Switching
http://www.pascal.com/misc/fastuserswitching.mov
Put on your bib and enjoy!
if you're like me, you find yourself drooling over some of the new features in Panther. Since I can't play with them hands-on yet, I keep viewing certain parts of the keynote stream over and over again.
Here are reference movies which just show the segments on Exposé and Fast User Switching. These should work for as long as the stream is online.
Exposé
http://www.pascal.com/misc/expose.mov
Fast User Switching
http://www.pascal.com/misc/fastuserswitching.mov
Put on your bib and enjoy!
Panther does look good. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of new features that weren't even mentioned. For example, I don't think Steve said anything about quicker speed, but it should be quicker. Also, I would assume X11 will be a final version and included with the OS. Also, http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/finder.html says that you can securely delete files. That's interesting. I wonder what other new features there are that weren't announced.
Er...
Anyone else underwhelmed by the 10.3 demo? Lest I be taken for a whiner, I really liked just about everything else about the keynote, but most of the 10.3 "features" seemed like cheeseball shareware apps:
Finder: Toolbar moves to the left side; finder therefore "user-centric". Yay?
Exposé: For those people who don't know about cmd - `or those who got bored with the genie effect.
Fast User Switching: Any of you share your macs? I don't. Pretty though. I hope this lays the foundation for multiple simultaneous users on different displays (like whatever iPal nonsense is currently floating around
Mail: Glad it is getting better... Really want a "doesn't steal focus just because .mac is down" feature. Threading is really nice (though to sound like a whiny unix dork: "it has been in gnus forever"
FileVault: Er... Yay? Unlikely to be used by non-business types, imo. Likely to be improperly used by business types. Corporate laptops are the [only] target?
Preview: Sweet. Something I am happy about. Now if I could just get some decent eBooks...
Font Book: Who is this for? Graphic artists? Don't they have their own font stuff?
Faxing: E-gah!?! Who still does this? Seriously? Are there just some businesses that are stuck with legacy equipment? Why should Apple encourage this behavior?
Xcode: Looks really neat, but I don't see how this is an OS upgrade. Happy nonetheless. Anything that makes development easy helps on many levels.
If there are things that I am missing, I would love to get excited. I am really hoping for some cool speed-ups, but I don't really see anything on the same level as, say, Rendezvous or QE.
Comments, Ridicule?
Anyone else underwhelmed by the 10.3 demo? Lest I be taken for a whiner, I really liked just about everything else about the keynote, but most of the 10.3 "features" seemed like cheeseball shareware apps:
Finder: Toolbar moves to the left side; finder therefore "user-centric". Yay?
Exposé: For those people who don't know about cmd - `or those who got bored with the genie effect.
Fast User Switching: Any of you share your macs? I don't. Pretty though. I hope this lays the foundation for multiple simultaneous users on different displays (like whatever iPal nonsense is currently floating around
Mail: Glad it is getting better...
Really want a "doesn't steal focus just because .mac is down" feature. Threading is really nice (though to sound like a whiny unix dork: "it has been in gnus forever" FileVault: Er... Yay? Unlikely to be used by non-business types, imo. Likely to be improperly used by business types. Corporate laptops are the [only] target?
Preview: Sweet. Something I am happy about. Now if I could just get some decent eBooks...
Font Book: Who is this for? Graphic artists? Don't they have their own font stuff?
Faxing: E-gah!?! Who still does this? Seriously? Are there just some businesses that are stuck with legacy equipment? Why should Apple encourage this behavior?
Xcode: Looks really neat, but I don't see how this is an OS upgrade. Happy nonetheless. Anything that makes development easy helps on many levels.
If there are things that I am missing, I would love to get excited. I am really hoping for some cool speed-ups, but I don't really see anything on the same level as, say, Rendezvous or QE.
Comments, Ridicule?
I also noticed that nothing was said regarding speed improvements. Perhaps they are minor or still too much in a state of flux to comment on. On the other hand maybe I missed any remarks because even on my DSL line the Quicktime stream was horrible, like the days of old before MPEG4. Has anybody been able to watch without constant drop-outs?
Either way, I don't want to come across as not satisfied. I think Panther looks like a great upgrade. The iChat features alone can be worth it if you have an oversea's freind/relative with a good net connection. I'm also very excited about preview. I've always felt that scrolling through PDF files, even on my 867MHz G4 at work was painfully slow. (Hey Adobe, could you start optimizing apps for Macs before Steve is forced to add Photoshop capabilities to iPhoto?) I remeber when Gateway came out with their comparison of their flatpanel frankenmachine to the iMac and PDF scrolling and web surfing were some of the bad spots for the Mac. Apple has clearly taken noticed and responded. Hurray for the good guys ; )
Oh, yah, the G5 looks good too </extreme understatment>
Either way, I don't want to come across as not satisfied. I think Panther looks like a great upgrade. The iChat features alone can be worth it if you have an oversea's freind/relative with a good net connection. I'm also very excited about preview. I've always felt that scrolling through PDF files, even on my 867MHz G4 at work was painfully slow. (Hey Adobe, could you start optimizing apps for Macs before Steve is forced to add Photoshop capabilities to iPhoto?) I remeber when Gateway came out with their comparison of their flatpanel frankenmachine to the iMac and PDF scrolling and web surfing were some of the bad spots for the Mac. Apple has clearly taken noticed and responded. Hurray for the good guys ; )
Oh, yah, the G5 looks good too </extreme understatment>
i wonder if it will be avail on the web again like a developer leaking or something like they did with the origional beta versions of osx.
Re: Er...
I know what you mean. I use my iBook mainly for playing games, writing projects on AppleWorks and listening to iTunes, so most of these features are useless to me. I don't even hav the internet (I'm only a student!).
Originally posted by Wombatronic
Anyone else underwhelmed by the 10.3 demo? Lest I be taken for a whiner, I really liked just about everything else about the keynote, but most of the 10.3 "features" seemed like cheeseball shareware apps:
Finder: Toolbar moves to the left side; finder therefore "user-centric". Yay?
Exposé: For those people who don't know about cmd - `or those who got bored with the genie effect.
Fast User Switching: Any of you share your macs? I don't. Pretty though. I hope this lays the foundation for multiple simultaneous users on different displays (like whatever iPal nonsense is currently floating around
Mail: Glad it is getting better...
FileVault: Er... Yay? Unlikely to be used by non-business types, imo. Likely to be improperly used by business types. Corporate laptops are the [only] target?
Preview: Sweet. Something I am happy about. Now if I could just get some decent eBooks...
Font Book: Who is this for? Graphic artists? Don't they have their own font stuff?
Faxing: E-gah!?! Who still does this? Seriously? Are there just some businesses that are stuck with legacy equipment? Why should Apple encourage this behavior?
Xcode: Looks really neat, but I don't see how this is an OS upgrade. Happy nonetheless. Anything that makes development easy helps on many levels.
If there are things that I am missing, I would love to get excited. I am really hoping for some cool speed-ups, but I don't really see anything on the same level as, say, Rendezvous or QE.
Comments, Ridicule?
I know what you mean. I use my iBook mainly for playing games, writing projects on AppleWorks and listening to iTunes, so most of these features are useless to me. I don't even hav the internet (I'm only a student!).
Distributed computing for the rest of us?
One of the most surprising things was the XCode demo. Why? Because it utilized distributed computing to do its thing. It was mentioned that this was achieved with Rendezvous so maybe this is the shape of things to come with all high-end applications. I hope Final Cut Pro (and Express) will one day offer the option to use the rest of the Macs in a network to render its effects faster.
One of the most surprising things was the XCode demo. Why? Because it utilized distributed computing to do its thing. It was mentioned that this was achieved with Rendezvous so maybe this is the shape of things to come with all high-end applications. I hope Final Cut Pro (and Express) will one day offer the option to use the rest of the Macs in a network to render its effects faster.
I thought the Panther demo was good, definately, but I do agree that there seems to be too few features that I would find useful that compel me to upgrade.
UI speed will be of benefit, faster PDF's will be fantastic, but that's all I will get out of it.
Many of the features (that I won't find so useful) seemed to be things that should really have been in 10.2, ie labels, fast user switching etc.
Here's hoping they add a lot more stuff.
AppleMatt
UI speed will be of benefit, faster PDF's will be fantastic, but that's all I will get out of it.
Many of the features (that I won't find so useful) seemed to be things that should really have been in 10.2, ie labels, fast user switching etc.
Here's hoping they add a lot more stuff.
AppleMatt
One thing you all should remember is the Panther demo was aimed at developers and pro users, and the software at this point is developer preview ie - not yet alpha let alone beta.
I don't know how many consumer features are built in - my programmer won't be back from WWDC until the weekend so we'll have to play with it next week. But she said the copy she was playing with was really sweet.
One thing I can say for sure, for people who work on multiple apps simultaneously like software developers, graphics designers, web developers etc. expose itself will make Panther a bargain at twice the price.
And XCode rocks.
I don't know how many consumer features are built in - my programmer won't be back from WWDC until the weekend so we'll have to play with it next week. But she said the copy she was playing with was really sweet.
One thing I can say for sure, for people who work on multiple apps simultaneously like software developers, graphics designers, web developers etc. expose itself will make Panther a bargain at twice the price.
And XCode rocks.
Re: Distributed computing for the rest of us?
Definately, this is something I'll be keeping a close eye on.
I also would like to see it come into lots of other things, there are a few G3's on my network sitting idle.
That's a very good point. The one thing that did stick out is the fact that Apple's own internal tests highlighted UI, boot speed and login time as major focus areas, but there was no real mention of these yesterday.
It is called World Wide developers conference after all
AppleMatt
Definately, this is something I'll be keeping a close eye on.
I also would like to see it come into lots of other things, there are a few G3's on my network sitting idle.
That's a very good point. The one thing that did stick out is the fact that Apple's own internal tests highlighted UI, boot speed and login time as major focus areas, but there was no real mention of these yesterday.
It is called World Wide developers conference after all
AppleMatt
A couple of points I may have missed in all the hubub:
(1) When will Panther ship?
(2) Will it be 64-bit?
(3) Will Apple ship a 64-bit version of 10.2.x before Panther?
(1) When will Panther ship?
(2) Will it be 64-bit?
(3) Will Apple ship a 64-bit version of 10.2.x before Panther?
Re: Er...
i dont think your whinning but your not thinking it through...the new itunes style window is a lot more than moving the icons of favs to the right.
the expose comment you made makes me shake my head. go ahead and hit your command ` buttons and cycle through the windows. i'll gesture and click on the exact window i want.
apple is waisted on some.
i dont think your whinning but your not thinking it through...the new itunes style window is a lot more than moving the icons of favs to the right.
the expose comment you made makes me shake my head. go ahead and hit your command ` buttons and cycle through the windows. i'll gesture and click on the exact window i want.
apple is waisted on some.
developers...
This is precisely what worried me. How does work on Finder UI, Expose, FontBook, Preview, Mail, Fast User Switching, etc... impact developers? Is any of it nearly as relevant/fundamental as Rendezvous / QE / Inkwell / Other 10.2 stuff?
Aside from Xcode, (and maybe filevault?) I don't see anything that is going to change how/what people develop for OS X. Had they exposed an API/support for something like their Xcode grid computing, *that* would be impressive (and change what/how people develop).
As it stands, a lot of 10.3 just feels like an average week on versiontracker...
Originally posted by AppleMatt
It is called World Wide developers conference after all
AppleMatt
This is precisely what worried me. How does work on Finder UI, Expose, FontBook, Preview, Mail, Fast User Switching, etc... impact developers? Is any of it nearly as relevant/fundamental as Rendezvous / QE / Inkwell / Other 10.2 stuff?
Aside from Xcode, (and maybe filevault?) I don't see anything that is going to change how/what people develop for OS X. Had they exposed an API/support for something like their Xcode grid computing, *that* would be impressive (and change what/how people develop).
As it stands, a lot of 10.3 just feels like an average week on versiontracker...
Re: Re: Er...
Geez... Wasted on me, huh? I guess I'll try not to let the door hit me on my way out...
Listen, if there is a target market out there for expose, great. I suppose Apple needs to make those people happy. I, personally, don't see anything in expose that
1. Couldn't be done as a SW app.
2. Will impact developers in any way (except allow them to have messier UIs)
I guess you do have a point though, which is that some things (eg: cmd - `) just don't do it for some people.
(related question: do any of you actually use cmd - `? If not, why not?)
Geez... Wasted on me, huh? I guess I'll try not to let the door hit me on my way out...
Listen, if there is a target market out there for expose, great. I suppose Apple needs to make those people happy. I, personally, don't see anything in expose that
1. Couldn't be done as a SW app.
2. Will impact developers in any way (except allow them to have messier UIs)
I guess you do have a point though, which is that some things (eg: cmd - `) just don't do it for some people.
(related question: do any of you actually use cmd - `? If not, why not?)
Re: developers...
Well, XCode, the Pixlet codec and the Safari SDK would be very much of interest to Mac developers. The hardware info about the G5s would too, though the keynote (as you'd expect) just grazed the surface in this area. Possibly the tighter Unix and Windows integration - depending on the developers' area of interest. Don't forget, the keynote is the "fluffiest" of the sessions, things get more detailed later on.
What worried me was Apple showing off their products against other 3rd party Mac developers, (i.e. iSight vs iBot, XCode vs CodeWarrior). This was the WRONG place to put down a Mac developers product!
Mike.
Well, XCode, the Pixlet codec and the Safari SDK would be very much of interest to Mac developers. The hardware info about the G5s would too, though the keynote (as you'd expect) just grazed the surface in this area. Possibly the tighter Unix and Windows integration - depending on the developers' area of interest. Don't forget, the keynote is the "fluffiest" of the sessions, things get more detailed later on.
What worried me was Apple showing off their products against other 3rd party Mac developers, (i.e. iSight vs iBot, XCode vs CodeWarrior). This was the WRONG place to put down a Mac developers product!
Mike.
Certainly WWDC is a Developer conference, but the opening keynote has a much larger audience than just Apple Developers, especially when Apple announces ahead of time that they'll be previewing the next version of Panther, something that every OS X user is looking forward to. Steve is certainly aware of this, and so the keynote contains some things that are targeted more specifically at developers (e.g. XCode) but the bulk of it is aimed at every Apple user.
The sessions following the keynote which make up the real meat of the week-long conference are where Apple really speaks directly to its developers. Those sessions are much more technical and are not geared toward the general Mac audience.
The sessions following the keynote which make up the real meat of the week-long conference are where Apple really speaks directly to its developers. Those sessions are much more technical and are not geared toward the general Mac audience.
Screenshots of panther
MacBidouille has some screenshots of Panther available.
screenshots
Scheduled booting is back!
Secure deletion: if you are really paranoid you can do a 35 random data pass on your files
A "configure IPV6" button seems interesting
The nice activity monitor (that appeared in the rumors)
A more refined Aqua. I noticed:
new look for tabs
sunken buttons
no stripes in window bar
the toolbar is a little bit more bright than the content of the window. (gives a nice subtle contrast)
MacBidouille has some screenshots of Panther available.
screenshots
Scheduled booting is back!
Secure deletion: if you are really paranoid you can do a 35 random data pass on your files
A "configure IPV6" button seems interesting
The nice activity monitor (that appeared in the rumors)
A more refined Aqua. I noticed:
new look for tabs
sunken buttons
no stripes in window bar
the toolbar is a little bit more bright than the content of the window. (gives a nice subtle contrast)
Re: developers...
Actually, I thought they did a pretty good job of choosing hilites that are pertinent to consumers and developers.
Finder UI - Being able to quickly add and remove folders full of project files into the left hand pane and always have it there will probably save most developers 15-30 minutes per day - excellent.
Expose - Finally an intelligent way to handle the 20, 30 or more windows that are often used when programming. Right now it's a toss up between closing a bunch of windows and having to re-open them every few minutes or paging between everything using keyboard shortcuts. Think that many windows is ridiculous? - the project I was working on this morning involved 15 source files all getting updated basically at the same time, 8 data files feeding the app also getting updated at the same time, 4 pdf reference manuals and 3 terminal windows at different working directories.
Preview is going to be awesome for finding stuff quickly in those wonderful 1200 page reference manuals.
Fast user switching - it will only take a second to switch from developer account to testing account.
Mail - One of the main forms of communications between the development team - adding threads is excellent.
Not sure about font book - I guess that is aimed more at the creative crowd.
You forgot iChat AV. This is going to be great for pulling together a quick meeting when you actually want to see the other people's faces. That way you can actually see if they get what you are saying.
There is also info being presented in the sessions about BSD 5, XCode, X11 and a ton of APIs not mentioned in the keynote.
I know there is a lot of stuff to do things like this from versiontracker and such, but one thing to realize is developers generally do not want to install shareware and freeware on their development platforms. Too often you end up chasing some problem with your code that is caused by one of these wonderful little apps.
Sorry for the long post, but hopefully you're not as worried now.
Actually, I thought they did a pretty good job of choosing hilites that are pertinent to consumers and developers.
Finder UI - Being able to quickly add and remove folders full of project files into the left hand pane and always have it there will probably save most developers 15-30 minutes per day - excellent.
Expose - Finally an intelligent way to handle the 20, 30 or more windows that are often used when programming. Right now it's a toss up between closing a bunch of windows and having to re-open them every few minutes or paging between everything using keyboard shortcuts. Think that many windows is ridiculous? - the project I was working on this morning involved 15 source files all getting updated basically at the same time, 8 data files feeding the app also getting updated at the same time, 4 pdf reference manuals and 3 terminal windows at different working directories.
Preview is going to be awesome for finding stuff quickly in those wonderful 1200 page reference manuals.
Fast user switching - it will only take a second to switch from developer account to testing account.
Mail - One of the main forms of communications between the development team - adding threads is excellent.
Not sure about font book - I guess that is aimed more at the creative crowd.
You forgot iChat AV. This is going to be great for pulling together a quick meeting when you actually want to see the other people's faces. That way you can actually see if they get what you are saying.
There is also info being presented in the sessions about BSD 5, XCode, X11 and a ton of APIs not mentioned in the keynote.
I know there is a lot of stuff to do things like this from versiontracker and such, but one thing to realize is developers generally do not want to install shareware and freeware on their development platforms. Too often you end up chasing some problem with your code that is caused by one of these wonderful little apps.
Sorry for the long post, but hopefully you're not as worried now.