x1600 128MB Performance

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  1. Karnifax macrumors newbie

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    Hey guys, I have read many a thread on how under-clocked the x1600 video card is in the Macbook Pros. I decided to mess around with it a bit with the new Omega Video Drivers. I have boot-camped and ran this in windows- The stock GPU speed was 310mhz and it scored a 798 in the Omega Drivers Benchmark program.

    (Apple Macbook Pro 2.0Ghz Core Duo, 1.5Gb Ram, 80gb 5400 Rpm HDD, 128Mb x1600)

    Here are the results of a little higher levels:

    375Mhz
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    425Mhz
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    I think that the 425Mhz is a optimal level of performance because if I turn it higher, it goes back down...I don't know why it does that, but this is my first real experience over-clocking.

    I was stunned at the difference in performance in actual game-play. The laptop does not run noticeable hotter due to the increase in GPU/Memory speed. The fans to run at a higher RPM, but thats fine with me, it improved my gaming experience immensely. Let me know what yall think.
     
  2. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Interesting numbers. Glad to see you get a decent performance jump with the OC.

    Unfortunately for ATI, its last two midrange video cards have been a letdown; both the X700 and X1600 have been soundly beaten in performance by the equivalent NVIDIA cards.

    Keep an eye on those temperatures - Apple underclocked the card for reliability, and while most of us agree they overdid it the risk of burning the GPU in a laptop is higher than in a desktop, and more expensive.
     
  3. Episteme macrumors regular

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    I believe the major underclocking is only present on the original Core Duo MBPs - note this from Bare Feats:

    423MHz/450MHz is slightly lower than the specc'd 470MHz/470MHz.
     
  4. daveL macrumors 68020

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    Here's the Barefeats tests for the 17" MBP CD and C2D:

    http://www.barefeats.com/mbcd9.html

    On the 17" C2D, the x1600 runs at it's full spec'd speed.
     
  5. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    I think 470/470 MHz is a good sweet spot for my 20" iMac using ATi Tool.
     
  6. Episteme macrumors regular

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    Indeed -- I was sloppy. I was referring to the 15" only but didn't make that clear. Thanks!

    The 17" always had the dynamic clock speed management for the GPU, but the CD model didn't run at the full speed.
     
  7. thechris69 macrumors 6502

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    what are the long-term effects of overclocking a video card? other then over heating, can it damage other parts of your cpu other then the videocard?
     
  8. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    You have pretty much summed it up.
     
  9. Episteme macrumors regular

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    Like everything else, "it depends".

    In theory, it can shorten the life of the video card, it can cause the rest of the system to run too hot.

    In reality, it's probably not much of an issue unless you use it in a place that's already pretty warm.

    As the old saying goes, YMMV. Follow standard overclocking guidelines and you should be fine.
     
  10. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Like others have said - it depends. One major variable is the "stock" speed. If a manufacturer decides to run its chips at the upper end of the safe range, their may not be much room to safely overclock...

    In theory, running a chip hotter reduces its useful life, though the difference may not be noticable (i.e the chip becomes obsolete and replaced long before it fails).

    I've been running a GeForce 6800GT at stock speeds in my PowerMac G4 for about 15 months or so, and it runs between 65C at idle to 75C+ under heavy load - so far I haven't had any issues but it is certainly running hot. I can't safely overclock it unless I install a more efficient cooling system.

    Overclocking the GPU in an iMac or laptop is more risky - the GPU tends to run hotter due to the less efficient cooling and frying the GPU generally means getting your motherboard replaced. :(
     
  11. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    The stock clock speed for the X1600 Mobility is 470/470 MHz. Now Apple has underclocked this to keep the iMacs/MacBook Pros quiet.

    You can clock it up to stock speeds in the iMacs and beyond. You just have to take into account what Apple has designed the cooling systems to take care of. At best you'll get more fan noise and RPMs, then video crashes, and at worst you'll get a fried chip.
     
  12. EvryDayImShufln macrumors 65816

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    Can apple tell if you've overclocked the videocard or anything? Supposed someone fried it, what would apple do? I mean they'd have to boot up into windows to see the clock speed difference anyway, and theoretically if one did fry their chip would they have any way of finding out?
     
  13. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    At worst you might want to wipe your Windows partition. Reading it would show that you installed an overclocking tool or the driver for it.

    You do not need video to wipe a hard drive.
     
  14. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    You may not not necessarily get caught by Apple, but is pushing the limit on your GPU clock worth the risk of having to replace the logic board?

    It's always best to be very cautious when overclocking no matter which computer you're doing it with.
     
  15. EvryDayImShufln macrumors 65816

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    Oh ok I was under the impression the computer would not even boot (thought macs were different, no idea why I thought that) but that's good news. I was thinking about what a pain it would've been to open it up, take the drive out, wipe it, reinstall, put in back in (etc)
     
  16. EvryDayImShufln macrumors 65816

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    Oh a nd don't forget that if your GPU dies they basically have to replace the motherboard because it's in 1 piece, unless there is some way of repairing it? Correct me if I'm wrong
     
  17. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    If you get Applecare isn't that a win-win situation?

    Logic board burns out 2 years down the road, they give you a refurb cos those logic boards are out of stock.
     
  18. PCMacUser macrumors 68000

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    YEAH BABY! :D
     

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