X25-M SSD, 2009 mac mini and XP in bootcamp

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  1. TechViking macrumors regular

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    I just installed the intel X25-M SSD on my 2009 mac mini. Installed OS X via the install disc which works great. Starting OS X is incredibly fast, once the apple is shown when starting the mini it takes about 10 secs for it to finish booting.

    However I need to run Win XP aswell and want to run it natively with boot camp. I started the boot camp assistant and it created a 37 Gb boot camp partition on the X25-M. During the Win XP setup (SP3 disc) there is a big problem and the install will not succeed. The problem is that that the XP installation does not see the X25-M SSD at all. As far as the XP installation is concerned it seems it thinks that there is NOTHING connected to the SATA port in the mini.

    Here is the best thread I found which discusses this issue: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9108103

    Anyone else has or plans to use an X25-M with their mac and bootcamp? I believe this is an issue with not just the mini, but with the macbooks, macbook pros, mac pro and the iMac aswell.

    Who can figure out why this is not working? What would be the best way to get this fixed, Apple releases a EFI(BIOS?) update or intel updating the firmware of the X25-M?

    I really need this to work.
     
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  3. bugout macrumors 6502a

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    Its not going to work anytime soon.. Its already been confirmed to not work for months.

    You should try to sell it or return it and get the OCZ vertex or g.skill titan.
     
  4. Oi-Oi-Oi macrumors member

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    Are you sure it's not a driver issue, as in XP-SP3 doesn't recognise the SATA interface?
     
  5. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yes. I tried for fun with a slipstreamed version with the sata drivers. Didnt work either.

    I also tried with the Windows 7 beta. Didnt work either. Not by loading intel's driver either. :(

    There is a post in the pro forum where a pro user says he installed Win 7 64-bit beta in bootcamp on his pro and it apparently works!! Dont know if this is a big issue or not, but I was under the assumption that it didnt work with *any* of the macs. Perhaps he is using a 2009 Mac pro and it has updated bios/efi etcetera which now makes this possible. Any thoughts?
     
  6. Oi-Oi-Oi macrumors member

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    Bugger! I would have assumed it works with any of them. I've read a number of threads where people installed an SSD into a Mini (09) and it works....

    I am getting an OCZ Vertex next week hopefully ... :eek:
     
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  8. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Well I dont think my Mini is a Ford Escort... with the 2.26 CPU and 4Gb RAM it is more of a... Mini Cooper! And with the X25-M ssd it will almost be a Ferrari, only smaller and very, very silent. Which is what I like the most about the mini.
     
  9. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    It seems that maybe there is a solution for this now.

    Anand writes in his latest SSD article the following at http://www.anandtech.com:80/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3535&p=1 :

    " A few readers wrote me and asked why the X25-M doesn’t work under Bootcamp on NVIDIA based Apple systems (e.g. the new MacBook/MacBook Pro). I didn’t have an answer at the time but I looked into it. It turns out that there is a compatibility issue with some of the 80GB X25-Ms and those platforms, but Intel does have a fix.

    For starters, if you have a 160GB X25-M or X18-M, you aren’t affected by this issue; bootcamp will just work. The latest production of the 80GB X25-Ms are also not affected by this issue, but not the original drives. If you have an earlier X25-M and one of these Apple machines and are experiencing Bootcamp compatibility problems Intel wants you to contact its support staff for a fix: http://www.intel.com/support/"

    I emailed intel support yesterday, no reply yet though. If anyone else have the X25-M perhaps you would like to contact intel aswell.

    I wonder what the fix will be, firmware update or replacements?
     
  10. mmoran27 macrumors 6502

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    This article is a lie.

    I contacted intel support and they basically told me to go take a hike.

    Here is their reply.

    Thank you for contacting Intel® Technical Support.

    I understand that you need to fund out if there is a fix from Intel® so the Intel® X25-M SATA Solid State Drive to work with the Boot Camp software.

    Please note that at this moment there is no Intel® fix for this issue, and there is no estimated date for a possible fix, since this software is not supported by Intel®. You may be able to get a resolution from Apple*.

    We are sorry for any inconveniences this may cause.
     
  11. Maven1975 macrumors 6502a

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    This was my solution to this problem..

    From experience, I concluded it was an EFI issue. I sold that drive and got the OCZ Veretex 120GB. It works fantastic, cheaper and has the same performance.
     
  12. mmoran27 macrumors 6502

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    I am going to RMA the drive back to intel.

    Hopefully the replacement will be the newer revision that works with boot camp.
     
  13. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Did they agree on RMA on basis that it did not work with bootcamp? Really?
     
  14. mmoran27 macrumors 6502

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    Yes they did.

    They still will not confirm that new one will work. Its like they have never heard of this problem before.

    I think their support is really lame. Most of them barely speak english and you never get to talk to engineering. Your must talk to first tier at all times (They probably don't even work for intel (indian call center most likely).
     
  15. Maven1975 macrumors 6502a

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    I tried two different Intel X-25m's and had the same results with both. Their support is horrid.
     
  16. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    8820 firmware fixes bootcamp issue on 2009 Mini or not?

    As you may have seen intel has released a firmware update for the X25-M. It is supposed to, among other things, fix the boot camp problem.

    http://support.intel.com/support/ssdc/index_update.htm

    Anyone able to install XP on the 2009 mini and X25-M after upgrading to the 8820 firmware?

    It does not work for me. The X25-M is now detected by the XP installation, and can be chosen when asked where to install Windows. But after the part when the XP installation has finished copied files to disk and is restarting, the installation can not continue and I get the following error message:

    "Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
    <Windows root>\system32\hal.dll
    Please reinstall a copy of the above file"

    The file is not missing nor corrupt however.

    Tried several different versions of XP discs. I am getting the same error on them all.
     
  17. brand macrumors 601

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    Sounds like the wrong hal is being copied to the drive. I would try manually extracting a different hal from the install disc and then copy it to the drive.
     
  18. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Any more info on that?

    I dont think that has anything to do with it though. I have used the exact same XP disc/s to install XP on the same mac mini, the only difference being it was not done on a X25-M but on two SATA standard hard drives. ( One was the stock 120 GB that came with the mini, and the other a 320GB Scorpio Black).

    Why would somehow a "different hal" be copied just because it is being installed on a X25-M?
     
  19. mmoran27 macrumors 6502

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    I did not install XP but have installed Vista with no problem on mine.

    The install completed without error.
     
  20. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Win XP on boot camp works

    I have this working now, Win XP on bootcamp. I believe the fix was deleting a hidden 200 MB partition at the start of the X25-M drive. It seems to have confused XP at various stages of the installation about which partition # XP was being installed on.

    EDIT:

    I discovered that removing the 200 MB EFI partition had side effects. I were no longer able to select a startup disc in the tool in OS X. Neither the OS X partition or the XP partition showed up there anymore. This led to slightly longer boot times, so I was not satisfied with this solution.

    This is a step by step list on how I was able to install XP without deleting the 200 MB EFI partition. The key is letting the rEFIt software fix some GUID/MBR issue, halfway through the XP PRO SP3 installation.


    1. Install OS X on the entire X25-M as one partition.
    2. Use the Boot Camp assistant to create the windows partition. I made the two partitions equally sized at about 37 GB.
    3. Start the XP installation. Choose the FAT32 partition created by bootcamp as the XP drive.
    4. Continue with XP installation until it restarts.
    5. I then get the "missing hal.dll" or "disk error" and cant continue with XP installation.
    6. Boot into OS X and install something called rEFIt available from http://refit.sourceforge.net/ .
    7. Reboot and hold the option key down to choose what to boot, and then select "rEFIt".
    8. Run the partition analyzer in rEFIt. It will analyze the GUID and MBR tables and will find an "error" and suggest a change.
    9. Answer yes when asked if you want rEFIt to do the change.
    10. Reboot and restart the XP installation all over again.
    11. Remove the FAT32 partition created by bootcamp and create a new NTFS partition instead.
    12. Install XP on the newly created NTFS partition.
    13. When the XP installation reboots, the "missing hal.dll" error is not shown anymore and the XP installation will be able to continue successfully.
    14. Uninstall rEFIt.
    15. Start enyoing having both XP in bootcamp and OS X installed on the X25-M. :)
     
  21. angelitos macrumors newbie

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    Sorry I don't get the last post. Do you have your
    intel ssd working with bc after the firmwere update?
     
  22. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yes.
     
  23. angelitos macrumors newbie

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  24. TechViking thread starter macrumors regular

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    Partitions on the X25-M

    This is how my X25-M drive is partitioned after succesfully installing both OS X and Windows XP on the 2009 Mini while keeping the 200 MB EFI partition intact.
     

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  25. angelitos macrumors newbie

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    Hi, I download the firmware update from intel,
    I burned it into a disk, but when I boot from
    that disk it do not found my SSD Drive?

    Any Idea?
    Thank you,
    angelitos
     

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