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nospleen

Originally posted by Foucault
New Powerbook 867/768 MB/40GB HD...

XBENCH score 79.94
CPU TEST 98.19
Thread Test 56.49
Memory Test 91.98
Quartz Graphics Test 88.05
Disk Test 54.64

Quiet an impressive score... indeed

I have an 867 PB too, but I only have 512mb of ram. My score was 80.25?:confused:
 
Re: nospleen

Originally posted by nospleen


I have an 867 PB too, but I only have 512mb of ram. My score was 80.25?:confused:

What was your hard drive score? It could be that his hard drive is closer to capacity then yours and therefore scores lower bringing down his total score. Also maybe he did the test without a fresh restart, without repairing permissions, with back ground apps running, the list goes on and on. This is why I wish people would read the XBench thread. The XBench thread explains all of this and also how to get consistent scores.
 
1 ghz PB,,,,,512 megs of ram and 1 gig of ram. thank you


81.56 with 1 gig ram.


I cant believe that the 1GHZ PBook scores an 81, and my 933 scores a 98. That is almost 20 points higher with a slower processor, and same bus. Also, the 1 GIG has a better vCard, as I have a GForceMX 64MB. We also have the same amounts of ram (1GIG). The only difference in my favor is my stock 60 GIG HD that spins at 7200 RPM. That cant be the reason why my machine is so much fast is it? I was trying to trade my 933 for a PBook, but if I going to take such a huge performace hit, then its not worth it.

Someone please enlighten me, as to the big difference. Thanks
 
Originally posted by ryme4reson
1 ghz PB,,,,,512 megs of ram and 1 gig of ram. thank you


81.56 with 1 gig ram.


I cant believe that the 1GHZ PBook scores an 81, and my 933 scores a 98. That is almost 20 points higher with a slower processor, and same bus. Also, the 1 GIG has a better vCard, as I have a GForceMX 64MB. We also have the same amounts of ram (1GIG). The only difference in my favor is my stock 60 GIG HD that spins at 7200 RPM. That cant be the reason why my machine is so much fast is it? I was trying to trade my 933 for a PBook, but if I going to take such a huge performace hit, then its not worth it.

Someone please enlighten me, as to the big difference. Thanks

The final XBench score doesn't measure speed. It measures the average of several categories of speed. Clearly, the laptop hard drive sucks compared to yours. This means that it will lag in application launch, system boot, and virtual memory performance. For non drive dependent tasks, it will win.
 
I understand the score is an avg of all tests, but you think the hard drive can bring the score down 20 points?

The person with the 1 GIG PBook, can you post you entire score results? I am very curious about this. Thanks.
 
Originally posted by ryme4reson
I understand the score is an avg of all tests, but you think the hard drive can bring the score down 20 points?

The person with the 1 GIG PBook, can you post you entire score results? I am very curious about this. Thanks.

Yes the hard drive score could bring the overal score down that much. Also the vCard in the Powerbook even though it is based on a faster chip then your G4MX is still a mobil vCard which in the end is slower then your G4MX.
 
My iBook score is WAY down

Did anyone else see their scores go way down? I was scoring a 60 with the beta 5, and now I'm only scoring a 45 with the final version. The main culprit seems to be the CPU score, which went from about 90 to about 55. Has anywone else seen big changes like this?
 
Originally posted by Catfish_Man
http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=9145&doc2=6663

Take a look. It says they're running 10.2.5

Also:
1) The 1.25GHz G4s are revision 3.2, my dual 867 is 2.1, as are the 1GHz machines. They're NOT overclocked 867s!
2) the 12" Powerbook is rev 3.3
3) The 12" Powerbook has an underclocked L2 cache

Sorry to reply to my own post. I think it's more likely that XBench misreports the cache on rev 3.2 and higher G4s (it misreports the 1.25's cache too). The first two points still hold.
 
Originally posted by ryme4reson
I understand the score is an avg of all tests, but you think the hard drive can bring the score down 20 points?

The person with the 1 GIG PBook, can you post you entire score results? I am very curious about this. Thanks.

Results 81.56
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.3
Physical RAM 1024 MB
Model PowerBook3,5
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.00 GHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.2
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 667 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 134 MHz
Bus Frequency 134 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV250M9
Drive Type FUJITSU MHS2060AT
CPU Test 101.14
GCD Recursion 106.39 4.15 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 99.45 335.20 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 94.19 5.11 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 105.51 4.74 Mops/sec
Thread Test 58.96
Computation 57.86 466.10 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 60.10 754.42 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 90.91
System 93.09
Allocate 147.14 49.61 Kalloc/sec
Fill 140.61 806.32 MB/sec
Copy 54.59 272.96 MB/sec
Stream 88.83
Copy 88.59 387.41 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 90.79 396.10 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 88.82 404.12 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 87.18 383.09 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 112.51
Line 112.99 2.88 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 116.00 8.16 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 125.25 2.89 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 106.77 1.16 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 103.95 1.69 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 82.39
Spinning Squares 82.39 57.66 frames/sec
User Interface Test 94.01
Elements 94.01 31.99 refresh/sec
Disk Test 61.29
Sequential 62.13
Uncached Write 57.51 25.09 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 56.04 22.80 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 91.90 14.48 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 54.73 23.61 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 60.47
Uncached Write 70.01 1.06 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 53.15 12.19 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 58.84 0.38 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 62.29 12.21 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
Re: Dual 867 768mb

Originally posted by zoetropeuk
110.8

The scores for DP's should be much higher if both processors were utilised efficiently. If you have CPU monitor opened while running xbench you'll see that neither CPU is being used more than 50% of its capacity. If it does than the other processor suffers.
Even if you combine both processors they are never being used more than 50-55%, this is true for all the apps that I use. This even seems to be true for apps that push the fact that they utilise MP's.

I've got a single processor 867 and i've just scored

Results 88.63
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.3
Physical RAM 1024 MB
Model PowerMac3,5
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 867 MHz
Version 7450 (V'ger) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 867 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 217 MHz
Bus Frequency 133 MHz
Video Card GeForce2 MX
Drive Type IBM-IC35L060AVER07-0
CPU Test 97.54
GCD Recursion 101.49 3.96 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 97.16 327.46 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 91.98 4.99 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 100.09 4.49 Mops/sec
Thread Test 56.56
Computation 55.10 443.90 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 58.10 729.34 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 92.10
System 101.59
Allocate 136.21 45.92 Kalloc/sec
Fill 93.03 533.49 MB/sec
Copy 87.42 437.08 MB/sec
Stream 84.23
Copy 84.85 371.04 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 85.94 374.94 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 83.10 378.12 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 83.10 365.16 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 105.02
Line 114.69 2.92 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 101.96 7.17 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 112.10 2.58 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 106.77 1.16 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 92.61 1.51 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 110.74
Spinning Squares 110.74 77.50 frames/sec
User Interface Test 100.97
Elements 100.97 34.36 refresh/sec
Disk Test 85.20
Sequential 92.69
Uncached Write 82.67 36.07 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 85.94 34.96 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 134.87 21.24 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 83.27 35.93 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 78.84
Uncached Write 55.31 0.84 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 83.51 19.16 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 96.36 0.63 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 97.05 19.02 MB/sec [256K blocks]


looks like it does look at both processors!!!
 
30.10 on my PM 9600/300

G4/450
768MB RAM
Radeon Mac Edition w/QE
Adaptec 29160N U160
Cheetah 15K HDD
 
ran it a second time w/o QE:

only difference was the quartz test
w/QE over PCI: 30.31
w/o QE: 40.25
 
Sounds like my 933 is still faster than the 1GIG, but I noticed that my 933 used DDR for the cache. and the 1GIG doesnt. My 933 is faster in all categories. I know the 1GIG is a PBook, but that is current generation, and my 933 is 2 generations old. I think its a shame that Apples products progess to slow.

Results 96.03
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.3
Physical RAM 1024 MB
Model PowerMac3,5
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 934 MHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 934 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 234 MHz
Bus Frequency 133 MHz
Video Card GeForce4 MX
Drive Type IBM-IC35L060AVER07-0
CPU Test 106.90
GCD Recursion 109.68 4.28 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 105.39 355.18 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 103.73 5.63 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 109.02 4.90 Mops/sec
Thread Test 60.88
Computation 59.72 481.10 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 62.09 779.32 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 110.11
System 136.30
Allocate 144.97 48.88 Kalloc/sec
Fill 248.73 1426.34 MB/sec
Copy 90.16 450.81 MB/sec
Stream 92.36
Copy 91.63 400.69 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 94.17 410.87 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 91.38 415.77 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 92.30 405.55 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 121.17
Line 131.60 3.35 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 119.03 8.37 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 133.99 3.09 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 119.69 1.30 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 105.87 1.73 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 125.61
Spinning Squares 125.61 87.90 frames/sec
User Interface Test 114.74
Elements 114.74 39.04 refresh/sec
Disk Test 89.10
Sequential 95.02
Uncached Write 88.04 38.41 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 92.77 37.74 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 130.71 20.59 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 81.23 35.05 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 83.88
Uncached Write 62.05 0.94 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 93.11 21.36 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 95.60 0.62 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 96.43 18.90 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
From the readme file:

"3. Thread Test
tests multiple processors - a test of multiple applications, or a single app doing multithreading
A) Computation - measures 4 worker threads performing integer operations, plus some memory bandwidth
- always faster on MP machines
B) Lock Contention - measures 4 threads quickly acquiring and releasing thread locks
- usually faster on MP machines
- locking performance may be important in certain types of multithreaded code.

The thread tests aren't representative of all types of threaded code, but they do measure some of the factors that affect threaded applications.
"

So dual machines will score higher on this section of the benchmark.
 
Dual 867, 512 ram, super drive. Stock Geforce 4 mx (32). Running 10.2.3 and some Apache server additionals.

Results 116.26
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.3
Physical RAM 512 MB
Model PowerMac3,6
Processor PowerPC G4x2 @ 867 MHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 867 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 217 MHz
Bus Frequency 134 MHz
Video Card GeForce4 MX
Drive Type ST360021A
CPU Test 108.60
GCD Recursion 109.01 4.26 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 109.48 369.00 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 110.75 6.01 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 105.31 4.73 Mops/sec
Thread Test 110.37
Computation 109.66 883.45 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 111.09 1.39 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 114.61
System 110.91
Allocate 106.48 35.90 Kalloc/sec
Fill 176.01 1009.34 MB/sec
Copy 83.49 417.46 MB/sec
Stream 118.57
Copy 118.06 516.28 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 120.73 526.75 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 121.23 551.58 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 114.52 503.19 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 114.82
Line 113.37 2.89 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 115.93 8.16 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 120.78 2.78 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 109.72 1.19 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 114.83 1.87 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 111.21
Spinning Squares 111.21 77.82 frames/sec
User Interface Test 106.56
Elements 106.56 36.26 refresh/sec
Disk Test 85.36
Sequential 86.36
Uncached Write 80.99 35.33 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 83.57 34.00 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 103.31 16.27 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 81.15 35.01 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 84.39
Uncached Write 80.95 1.22 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 75.91 17.41 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 90.70 0.59 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 92.19 18.07 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
Originally posted by ryme4reson
Sounds like my 933 is still faster than the 1GIG, but I noticed that my 933 used DDR for the cache. and the 1GIG doesnt.

The current PowerBooks have L2 and L3 cache which are both DDR memory.


Kid Red did you run the test with your PowerBook plugged in? If not your processor was speed stepping bringing down overall scores.
 
Well results show a difference story

This is the results for my machine, look at the speed.
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 934 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 234 MHz

here is the 1GIG results
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.00 GHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.2
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 667 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 134 MHz

but look at the DP 867, the bus speeds are also faster
Processor PowerPC G4x2 @ 867 MHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 867 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 217 MHz
 
Re: Well results show a difference story

Originally posted by ryme4reson
This is the results for my machine, look at the speed.
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 934 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 234 MHz

here is the 1GIG results
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.00 GHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.2
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 667 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 134 MHz

but look at the DP 867, the bus speeds are also faster
Processor PowerPC G4x2 @ 867 MHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 867 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 217 MHz

Just because it's running slower then CPU speed for the L2 cache does not mean it isn't DDR ram. It has to be DDR it's running faster then bus speed. The speed has a lot to do with how much money Apple wanted to spend on it and the power consumption of the processor they are using. It's normal for low power chips to use smaller and slower memory. The faster the memory the higher the power consumption.

You can even check Apples specs for the PowerBooks the L2 and L3 cache are both listed as DDR.
 
Question

It has to be DDR it's running faster then bus speed.

First of all here are the speeds for the 1GIG
L2 Cache 256K @ 667 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 134 MHz

It is NOT running faster than bus speed, secondly, I am under the impression that the G4's and G3's are the same processors in the desktop, and laptop, so there should be no difference.

My point is just to show some concern about the 1 GIG's speed. I think the DP 867 and my 933 performed well, but I am not impressed with the 1GIG.
 
Re: Question

Originally posted by ryme4reson


First of all here are the speeds for the 1GIG
L2 Cache 256K @ 667 MHz
L3 Cache 1024K @ 134 MHz

It is NOT running faster than bus speed, secondly, I am under the impression that the G4's and G3's are the same processors in the desktop, and laptop, so there should be no difference.

My point is just to show some concern about the 1 GIG's speed. I think the DP 867 and my 933 performed well, but I am not impressed with the 1GIG.

I'm sorry but the 7455 in the laptops is a different processor. If you are dissapointed in the speed of a 1Gig because of a test in a PowerBook don't be. It could simply be that the test was ran with the PowerBook running on battery which would put the CPU in speed stepping mode. Also I have a Dual/GHz/DDR. If you want to see a test of it check this out my overall score is 136.

https://forums.macrumors.com/report.php?s=&postid=193639

I will post new tests with XBench 1.0 as soon as I get my system reinstall finished. The true speed of a Dual can not be tested by XBench. The real speed comes when you are running multiple programs, that is when a dual and OSX really shine.
 
You say you want to see a Powerbook 1GHz, 1GB RAM... here it is:

Overall: 88.96
CPU Test: 116.08
Thread Test: 64.69
Memory Test: 97.37
Quartz Graphics Test: 121.63
OpenGL Graphics Test: 96.17
User Interface Test: 109.43
Disk Test: 60.30 <--- Sucks
 
Ryme4Reson... your 933 scored a 106 on the CPU Test and my 1GHz Powerbook scored a 116 on the CPU Test. The only reason your overall speed is faster is because of the disk test... (mine is a laptop, yours is a desktop.. expect it) so I don't know what you're bitchin about.
 
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