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iPhone SE (2016) Xcode 10 beta leaked the SE2?
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The P3 screen is a nice addition in quality and a good leap from 5/5s/SE/6/6s, even if kept the same physical size
But agreed A10 and iPhone7 camera and a P3 color bump, as a drop in to the SE form, I wouldn't be that interested if thats what it is
SE camera and A9 are good enough for me, especially powering such a low resolution device compared to Regular 4.7" Plus or X.
If the new SE is to launch with an A10, it had better be clocked higher than the same chip released two years ago.
All the SE really needs (besides a speed bump) is a stabilized rear camera and Touch ID v.2 in order to get me interested.
All the SE really needs (besides a speed bump) is a stabilized rear camera and Touch ID v.2 in order to get me interested.
https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/1032291675455057926
Same resolution and RAM as iPhone 7. This means 4.7" display.
My guess is a de-featured iPhone 7: no 3D Touch and fewer case colors. The only modem in this phone would be the Intel XMM 7560. Qualcomm publicly stated they were removed as a supplier for new iPhones.
This iPhone 7 SE would continue to serve the original mission of the SE: a low-cost device for emerging markets. The 4.0" form factor is at a dead end. So it's time to move to 4.7" to fight the $150 phones that now come with 5.0" and larger displays.
Same resolution and RAM as iPhone 7. This means 4.7" display.
My guess is a de-featured iPhone 7: no 3D Touch and fewer case colors. The only modem in this phone would be the Intel XMM 7560. Qualcomm publicly stated they were removed as a supplier for new iPhones.
This iPhone 7 SE would continue to serve the original mission of the SE: a low-cost device for emerging markets. The 4.0" form factor is at a dead end. So it's time to move to 4.7" to fight the $150 phones that now come with 5.0" and larger displays.
Ohh this could be interesting.. will see what happens next month as it would probably be a redesign too, not a direct 4.7” iPhone 7 copy.
SE already has 2GB.
&Resolution does not necessarily mean the same physical size
I disagree 4.0" is dead too
maybe a 4.7" with no bezels would be one handed comfortable, but barring that, there is merit in 4.0" and iOS 11 handles it better than I thought it would have... I have two SE's because I love the phone that much (and the one I just got was $80 from at&t as a clearance prepaid item so...), one on 10.2 other on 11.2.5 and my preference is 10 but the 11 is alright. minus scrambled iMessages haha but it's not my primary device. what an annoying bug! never had on 11.1 on my X or Plus, or 11.3.
So you think Apple will design a brand new thin-bezel enclosure for this low-cost device with A10, 2GB RAM, and Home button? It has the same resolution as iPhone 7 but the physical design is different? Let's be real.
No but I think it’s more
Likely to get another SE physically w a resolution and contrast Bump and a10 drop in than another 7 but stripped down
But hopefully we find out soon either way!
Putting the iPhone 7 display into the SE form factor would result in a device with PPI that exceeds iPhone 8.
It wouldn't make sense for a number of reasons: 1) The SE doesn't need a PPI increase. 2) This is a low-cost device with A10 and 2GB RAM. 3) What happens to iPhone 8 in terms of marketing?
Anything is possible, but the signs are pointing to an iPhone 7 SE.
So if you don’t want a huge phone, or OLED with PWM, you’re stuck with an “old” phone.
Hope Apple releases a much better formula.
Hope Apple releases a much better formula.
Who said the SE is low cost? Apple didn’t, SE stands for Special Edition, not cheap and cheerful. And who cares about the 8? I think it’s pretty clear Apple doesn’t car with new phones outshining the design, including one matchung the 8 Plus price apparently.
If Apple cared about marketing like you think they wouldn’t have the 6S and 6S Plus and 7 and 7 Plus, and 8 and 8 Plus and X all on sale at the same time! What this year going to bring? The 7 & 7 Plus, 8 & 8 Plus, 9, X, 11, 11 Plus and I bet the 6S will still be kicking around, all on sale at the same time. Plus the SE.
As for PPI increase, that’s an opinion that makes little sense, your basically questioning why they should improve the SE.
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Apple will never call their devices low-cost in order to preserve brand value. But it's pretty obvious what market the iPhone 5c, SE, and iPad 2017/2018 serve.
The DCI-P3 feature and PPI increase don't make sense for a 4" device with A10 and 2GB RAM. It's the same reason why Toyota doesn't put an electrochromic panoramic sunroof in the Corolla.
The iPhone 6s, 7, 8, and X follow a pattern of increasing features with price. I'm not sure how you don't understand Apple's marketing.
First point is an assumption, the SE was built on the 5 which was the flagship device. Not low cost, it’s feature specs when launched were good too.
Point 2 is confusing as we are talking about a 4.7” screen, not 4”. It would make sense to a lot of SE and 7 users, perhaps not those who crave for big screen big phones?
And the last point, the feature differences between those devices don’t warrant the price increases, that’s Apples profiteering, wireless charging, stereo speakers, iOS cameras all existed long before those devices had them and on cheaper devices too.
Also it still fails to explain why they are all on sale at the same time. And their is no reason for the SE to not follow the same route either. Your somehow suggesting that the SE has to be different to every other iPhone model, or marketing, just because.
As for the low cost debate it’s an interesting one
I think it was apple trying it with a boatload of old parts that were once and to some still considered more premium than some junk androids. The one handed ness and chamfered edges (tho no longer polished) exude a bit of premium ness. A9 and the camera and screen are yesteryear but 6s is a screen like 6 and 5s was the one before it. So ? It’s not THAT ancient with perspective in mind even tho in real time half a decade
5c was really trying for the budget market but without dropping their pants on pricing ($549 vs $649 at the time for the flagship? Come on!)
But then again india’s Top selling or one of is still the iPhone 6 iirc
That’s insane
How long will Apple support iOS On that with that being the case? Will there be a neutered iOS 13?
The lineup is so bloated and jumbled too I don’t think anyone can predict accurately which end is up when it comes to apple’s decision making and intention vs reality
I think it was apple trying it with a boatload of old parts that were once and to some still considered more premium than some junk androids. The one handed ness and chamfered edges (tho no longer polished) exude a bit of premium ness. A9 and the camera and screen are yesteryear but 6s is a screen like 6 and 5s was the one before it. So ? It’s not THAT ancient with perspective in mind even tho in real time half a decade
5c was really trying for the budget market but without dropping their pants on pricing ($549 vs $649 at the time for the flagship? Come on!)
But then again india’s Top selling or one of is still the iPhone 6 iirc
That’s insane
How long will Apple support iOS On that with that being the case? Will there be a neutered iOS 13?
The lineup is so bloated and jumbled too I don’t think anyone can predict accurately which end is up when it comes to apple’s decision making and intention vs reality
The iPhone SE lacks 3D Touch, uses a 1.2MP front camera, 1x1 Wi-Fi, and features the same modem as iPhone 6 (from 2014). The iPhone SE may have offered "good" performance but it's consistent with a $399 device which lacks some important premium features. I call that a low-cost phone.
So this new iPhone 7 SE will have a 4.7" display but a completely new enclosure? What are you proposing?
So you're trying to make a philosophical or ethical argument instead of a marketing one.
SE - 6s - 7 - 8 - X
The more expensive the phone, the more features it has. They can be sold concurrently, yes. It's really quite simple. Apple sells phones to consumers at all price points.
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If Apple was trying to create a premium 4.0" device with the SE, they wouldn't have made any compromises like Touch ID 1.0, 1.2MP front camera, 1x1 Wi-Fi or old modem. I think it's pretty obvious what market Apple was trying to target.
Apple could have sold the SE for $449 or $549, even $599. That would still be below the $649 launch price of iPhone 5s, 6, and 6s.
^ right and some people would be willing to Pay More if apple included More specs for a more premium price
But because they haven’t those aren’t deal breakers and for some SE checks more boxes than not, and budget is secondary.
There is a market and Apple has a sleeper hit on their hands. There is a market this appealed to but that Apple hasn’t tapped into or fully realized / hopefully they have At this point, a device people clamor to 2.5 years later, because its obvious to some armchair analysts like myself. They are leaving money on the table. Printing money just fine with all their offerings. But there is a segment they are ignoring
This is where apple’s intention vs reality in the market comes into play
MacBook Air was designed to be a netbook killer it ended up being a laptop replacement for a lot of people. It’s why it’s still around. And some people value reliable old keyboard legacy ports glowing Apple and MagSafe more than a retina screen and the latest power/flashyness
Certainly budget minded people will lean to SE and MacBook Air but there are those are what suits them price wise but if something suited non budget people better and Apple offered it ; they’d cough up more
This is Apple were talking about. On the budget end of Apple or not they’ve awoken a new segment of people who want practical. One handed ness not tooo long ago used to be the selling point for NOT incorporating a bigger screen. They then responded to market trends as it turned out to be a deal breaker and showstopper for sales, some people went to android EXCLUSIVELY for the big screen, and big screens dominated/continue to as the trend certainly
But—
They sold us on this idea, for years, one handedness, and MagSafe, and abandoned/marginalize both and pretend like no one cares about them when sales reflect otherwise, for budgetary reasons but also non budgetary
And Apple abandons plenty of stuff but being able to wield a device one hand while walking and not ruining your laptop potentially tripping over the wire, can’t be overstated as useful.
Other opt out things like no optical disc drive , turns out most people don’t care. I’m one of them. That’s a doomed to fail part taking up space I don’t ever use
...SE is a budget minded device
But it’s also oddly one of those cult
Following devices some Apple fans can’t get enough of still. My x is my daily driver but I still love fiddling with my SE’s every once in a while. Not because they’re cheap but because they are great device. Steve jobs form factor with internals that can at least keep up with the latest iOS without much issue
But because they haven’t those aren’t deal breakers and for some SE checks more boxes than not, and budget is secondary.
There is a market and Apple has a sleeper hit on their hands. There is a market this appealed to but that Apple hasn’t tapped into or fully realized / hopefully they have At this point, a device people clamor to 2.5 years later, because its obvious to some armchair analysts like myself. They are leaving money on the table. Printing money just fine with all their offerings. But there is a segment they are ignoring
This is where apple’s intention vs reality in the market comes into play
MacBook Air was designed to be a netbook killer it ended up being a laptop replacement for a lot of people. It’s why it’s still around. And some people value reliable old keyboard legacy ports glowing Apple and MagSafe more than a retina screen and the latest power/flashyness
Certainly budget minded people will lean to SE and MacBook Air but there are those are what suits them price wise but if something suited non budget people better and Apple offered it ; they’d cough up more
This is Apple were talking about. On the budget end of Apple or not they’ve awoken a new segment of people who want practical. One handed ness not tooo long ago used to be the selling point for NOT incorporating a bigger screen. They then responded to market trends as it turned out to be a deal breaker and showstopper for sales, some people went to android EXCLUSIVELY for the big screen, and big screens dominated/continue to as the trend certainly
But—
They sold us on this idea, for years, one handedness, and MagSafe, and abandoned/marginalize both and pretend like no one cares about them when sales reflect otherwise, for budgetary reasons but also non budgetary
And Apple abandons plenty of stuff but being able to wield a device one hand while walking and not ruining your laptop potentially tripping over the wire, can’t be overstated as useful.
Other opt out things like no optical disc drive , turns out most people don’t care. I’m one of them. That’s a doomed to fail part taking up space I don’t ever use
...SE is a budget minded device
But it’s also oddly one of those cult
Following devices some Apple fans can’t get enough of still. My x is my daily driver but I still love fiddling with my SE’s every once in a while. Not because they’re cheap but because they are great device. Steve jobs form factor with internals that can at least keep up with the latest iOS without much issue
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The SE pricing is nothing but consistent with that if then 6S and 7, both dropping in price each year.
The article linked in the OP, which I presume you’ve read? States a 4.7” screen, not me, by comments are based on these facts. They won’t just give you an iPhone 7 and nothing more, they’ll redesign it in some way. I don’t know how.
As for the specs, those weee the same as the iPhone 5 and 5S right which the phone was based on. Their is nothing to stop Apple giving it the same specs as the 7, including WiFi and 3D Touch.
And as for the marketing comment, you implied you didn’t understand how a new SE would fit in Apples line up, I mearly pointed out how Apple doesn’t care about its iPhone line up having the same design on sale across 3 generations at the same time plus a new design! That makes no marketing sense what so ever, it makes a profiteering sense and nothing more.
The only reading the 6S price dips is because it drops significantly in production cost year in year like all the other devices do.
Your argument is flawed I’m afraid. An new can have better specs and a higher price point and fit perfectly into the line up, maybe they could ditch the 6S and 7 then and drop the 8 pricing. That is marketing sense in Apples case, that’s what Jobs would have done who was rather good at marketing, certainly better then you or I.
Chances are it's just a iPhone 7 refresh with 64GB as base.
Same way they brought in a 32GB iPhone 6S to replace the 16GB model.
Same way they brought in a 32GB iPhone 6S to replace the 16GB model.
Thats also very possible. Which I expect Apple to make some revisions to the storage introductions for the older model iPhones at discounted prices. As for the actual iPhone SE being re-released, I’m still very hesitant to believe that, and if it does, I don’t think It will look anything like what it does currently, which I expect 2019 to maybe offer something different.
I have been fearful for a while that any “SE2” will simply be a lower-cost, possibly de-featured iP7.....I hope I’m wrong, but this leak only reinforces my fears.
Oh well.....will keep using my SE for as long as I can, then reassess my options at that time. I would GLADLY pay more than the price of an X for a X-style, full-screen SE with a notch and the latest specs, but realistically I know I’m a niche customer.
Oh well.....will keep using my SE for as long as I can, then reassess my options at that time. I would GLADLY pay more than the price of an X for a X-style, full-screen SE with a notch and the latest specs, but realistically I know I’m a niche customer.
64GB base storage was used to justify the $50 increase for iPhone 8 last year.
With iPad (2018), Apple had an opportunity to increase to 64GB, but they chose to stay with 32GB.
With this iPhone 7 SE, I'm not sure 64GB base would fit with the low-cost theme.