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Xserve G5 Released

Paint Job

Oh man somebody give these things a paint job; it'll give the new Vette, 350Z, RX-8 a run for their money wehn it comes to styling.

However as these are quickly growing on me in terms of styling, I personally don't need them. Then again, I think going to a 2U rack standard would've allowed them to use 1 more in/out ports across, as well as keep or even surpass last years 4 HDD (all being S-ATA).

Still nice to know that 90 nanometer is being used.

Also good that PowerMac G5 updates weren't mentioned yet to steel the XServe's thunder.

Now these XServes need corporations to use them in along with FULL scalable software to customize use on them. By corporations I mean Cingular Wireless, Rogers AT&T Wireless (Canada), and you know MaBell.
 
Blowers

http://www.apple.com/xserve/design.html

Intelligent Heat Dissipation
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To dissipate the heat it does produce, eight different blowers draw air from the front of the machine, across the processor(s) and out the back. You can monitor the temperature of your Xserve G5s from the Server Monitor software, which also displays the status of the eight fans. In the case of a single blower failure, the other fans speed up to compensate, allowing your server to keep running.
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Re: Blowers

Just make sure that your neck tie doesn't get to close to those 'suck-holes' when looking at those pretty blue lights...:eek:
 
Re: Paint Job

Originally posted by Prom1
However as these are quickly growing on me in terms of styling, I personally don't need them. Then again, I think going to a 2U rack standard would've allowed them to use 1 more in/out ports across, as well as keep or even surpass last years 4 HDD (all being S-ATA).
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Personally, with the Xserve RAID I'd rather they came with just two hard disks (hardware RAID mirrored) for the OS. Or zero, and just boot it from the RAID itself.

Why? Well, first, I wouldn't want to store anything locally - that way, if it needs to be replaced, its not a big deal. So the local storage is a waste of disk space. Second, and most importantly, that might free up space internally for the second power supply that it is so desparately needing. And has been. And, before someone asks, dual power supplies are indeed available on most (all?) of the competitive intel-based 1U servers. And have been for quite a while now.

-Richard
 
Originally posted by dongmin
So how does the Xserve compare to the dual 2.0 ghz G5 in performance, in terms of gigaflops?
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That 9GF figure for the XServe seems pretty low to me.

Even with the inefficiency inherent of clustering 1100 of them, VT's cluster gets 9.3GF per node out of their G5s.

Either the XServes are slower than the desktop G5s (which seems silly, the hardware sounds practically identical), or Apple is being *very* conservative in their performance claims.
 
Re: Paint Job

Originally posted by Prom1
Oh man somebody give these things a paint job; it'll give the new Vette, 350Z, RX-8 a run for their money wehn it comes to styling.

Also good that PowerMac G5 updates weren't mentioned yet to steel the XServe's thunder.

Now these XServes need corporations to use them in along with FULL scalable software to customize use on them. By corporations I mean Cingular Wireless, Rogers AT&T Wireless (Canada), and you know MaBell.
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I happen to prefer the natural metal look of the Xserve, just as I do the G5. Guess that goes along with my love of the natural wood look, have plenty of it in my house.

I thought the same, the Xserve definitley needed to be updated next. This should really open up the market for Apple since it is multi platform compatable.
 
Re: Re: Paint Job

Originally posted by rjstanford
Personally, with the Xserve RAID I'd rather they came with just two hard disks (hardware RAID mirrored) for the OS. Or zero, and just boot it from the RAID itself.
-Richard
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Well, you do need swapspace, and 3 is the minimum useful number for RAID-5, but you're right about the redundant power supply.

I think the X-Serve RAID has them, so this really shows the X-Serve CPU's are really meant for clusters where the X-Serves are redundant themselves.
 
Could it be with these series of announcements (90nm G5 Xserves, Xraid systems, Xgrid, and the pledges of developers, etc. that Apple is finally trying to be serious about the business and scientific markets? Now if they actually hire some folks to try and sell this stuff to business - that would be new.
 
2.3GHz Xserve's!

Apple Canada seems to have a mistake about the xserve.

Here is the image from apple's website

promoxserve01062004.gif


--Waluigi
 
Bring on the G5 PM speed boosts, G5 PBs and G5 iMacs!

All in good time, of course. ;) I'm thinking PM updates in the upcmoing weeks, and G5 PBs and iMacs in the spring/summer. And all announced on Tuesdays. :)
 
This was the best announcement from apple today. This and the XServe Raid is now certified to run in Windoze and Linux environments.

Other than that, I'm really disappointed at this MacWorld.
 
Re: Xserve vs. Power Mac Memory Pricing

Originally posted by jbh001
The price difference between 2GB memory and 8GB memory on the Dual 2GHz Xserve is $1300; on the Dual 2GHz Power Mac it is $3900.

Right Hand, meet Left Hand.
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AND it's ECC. How odd. Maybe the RAM prices are coming down on the G5 towers really soon...along with speed-bumped 90nm 970s? Is there an emoticon for crossed fingers?
 
2GHzis too slow after all this time waiting for updates. Even their benchmarks on Apple's page show the DP is barely faster than the competetion, and it's not shipping for a couple months, at which time, the competetion will have faster clockspeed machines. Let's hope this doesn't mean all G5s will be stuck at 2GHz for a while. It's already been 7 months since they were announced, and they were barely faster than equivalent PC chips way back then. Now they are behind again in some benchmarks. After 7 months, only a handful of apps have been accelerated for G5, and photoshop CS and Panther are only evidence that G5 optimizations sometimes make no difference since both are actually slower in some respects on G5s than the programs they replace!
 
hey, can anyone explain the difference in the two different dual 2 ghz xserves that Jobs showed yesterday? Why is one 1k more than the other?
 
The cheaper one is more stripped down, so that they can be uses for clustering with RAIDs and such, I believe. I haven't checked these new machines, but the older G4s had those cheaper ones minus the optical drive and such so that you have a cheaper unit you can buy without the unnecessary hardware when you just want to cluster a few together.
 
Concerns...

rog, I understand your concerns for lack of significant jump in G5 cpu speeds but might I suggest a few words.

First off other than the Itanium2 & Opteron, the G5 is the ONLY 64-bit cpu competing in the rack-mount server space. Itanium2 is WAY OVERPRiced currently and for the forseeable future - even with M$ freebies given out to some corporations - and performance of the G5 will remain on par with the Opteron until late April/Spring when AMD announces the 2.3/2.5Ghz cpus. I believe that Apple is being highly conservative currently; as cpu is already on a 90 nanometer process, IBM did get their first, haha Intel:p !

Remember M$ isn't going to ship a working 64-bit OS until mid summer 2004 at which point I'm sure Apple will continue extreme support with Panther or its update for a full 64-bit Mac OS X Server. No worrying for consumers ordering PowerMacs with OS X Server installed as pricing will be higher than the desktop version. Also, note that AMD & Intel are still ONLY cpu corporations while Apple is hardware & software, making it a littlle more difficult for Apple to keep quarterly product refreshes; although thus far (for the past 3 years) they've done sweetly!

I'm still hoping for Apple to be the only company to ship True 64-bit consumer desktop/portable and corporate server/desktop computers to the elite masses with True 64-bit OS!!!!

Just watch how fast these machines will howl with a full 64-bit OS with applications alike compared to the x86-64 AMD Opterons and M$ 64-bit OS with x86 core base/extentions.
 
Re: Concerns...

Originally posted by Prom1
Remember M$ isn't going to ship a working 64-bit OS until mid summer 2004 at which point I'm sure Apple will continue extreme support with Panther or its update for a full 64-bit Mac OS X Server.
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Microsoft already has 64bit editions of Windows XP, Windows Server, and SQL Server and has had them for a good while.

I think you're referring to the AMD64 support, which is still being worked on.
 
just saw the benchmarks on apples site,

"50% faster than a DUAL Opteron"
"faster than the DUAL 3.2GHz xeon"

where the xeon scores higher the Opteron!!!,


READ THIS

http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000275
REAL WORLD STUFF NOT LIES NOT MARKETING BU##SH#T


errrrrrr big errrrrr so how is this is possible considering that the DUAL 2GHZ Opteron clobers the 3.2 xeon on nearly every single benchmark including servers tasks, realworld apps etc...?

how can the xeon score be nearly 1/3 higher if I and everyone else knows that the Opteron is faster (and has been shown on numerous H/W sites Anandtech/aces hardware) than it PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME THIS. While do you think Intel is in a state now trying to push the Itanium into the market (lowering prices etc....) and xeons are selling less and less.

In doing this they are making IBM look bad considering they are suppling the G5 CPUS.

Like the AMD guy said lies all lies from this apple company.
 
MS will ship a complete 64-bit OS this year, unlike panther which has 64-bit extension/enhancments what ever you want to call them ( IT IS HOWEVER SILL 32-BIT). There was a rumer that apple is at least 2 years behind in terms of releasing a FULL 64-bit OS.
 
army_guy-

Do you have Linpack scores different from what Apple showed? Some scores, BLAST for instance, do show the Opteron ahead of the Xeons.

You're trying to compare some real world tests to a benchmark and blaming Apple for the disparity in results. Seems like very poor logic to me.
 
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