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Xserve G5 Updates?

Originally posted by ddtlm
Intel could have and still can make a chip like that at any time, no sweat, in fact there was quite an internal debate about wether to make x86 64 bit or to do the Itanium. That debate didn't happen yesterday either, it was years ago. The only reason an Intel chip wasn't the first 64-bit "desktop" processor was because it contradicts their master (Itanium) plan.
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No, the only reason an Intel chip wasn't the first 64-bit "desktop" processor is because they made a grave mistake in designing a chip that can not do 32-bit code natively.

Notice how they are only now scrambling to develop an IA32 emulator for the Itanium? Is that part of their "master plan" as well?
 
frozenstar:

Intel seems to have made multiple mistakes with the Itanium, but that has nothing to do with their ability to field a 64-bit desktop chip (which would presumably be x86-64 or similar). But on the IA-64 front, they are actually going to offer a lower voltage Itanium this year, which should cost under $1000 per chip. Har har!

Rustus Maximus:

Heh, you're a funny writer. 😉 Anyway Intel and M$ are cojoined at the pocketbook, so I bet if Intel made an x86-64 chip then they'd have Windows for it within a reasonable amount of time. AMD at 64 bits, meh, M$ can only be bothered to respond eventually. Its not like Windows hasn't seen 64 bits before. They've ran NT and 2000 on Alphas, and newer versions on Itaniums.
 
Originally posted by ddtlm
Dual CPU Athlons and Xeons are not a new thing at all.
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No, but the big three (IBM/HPaq/Dell) are fairly new to having 1U configs with Xeons. They were shipping Pentium III 1U servers until a few months ago - long after Xeons were available in 2U and larger servers.

In fact, Dell are still using Pentium III for their mid-line 1U servers.
 
Not meaning to hijack the thread back to the possibility of G5s in Xserves...anyone look at the Sneak Preview of Panther Server?


And I quote:
"Panther Server enables users to leverage the advanced capabilities of the new G5-based architecture , such as native double-precision (64-bit) arithmetic and support for more than 4GB of physical memory. " (Emphasis mine)

Of course they have to say that, it's true. But...such a statement is highly suggestive. That said, to me it is only a matter of how soon they put G5s in Xserves, not if. The new architecture seems much more attractive as a server architecture. SATA (hopefully w/hardware RAID?), 64-bit memory addressing, all that throughput. Here's to one kickass server.
 
Originally posted by ddtlm
Heh, you're a funny writer. 😉 Anyway Intel and M$ are cojoined at the pocketbook, so I bet if Intel made an x86-64 chip then they'd have Windows for it within a reasonable amount of time. AMD at 64 bits, meh, M$ can only be bothered to respond eventually. Its not like Windows hasn't seen 64 bits before. They've ran NT and 2000 on Alphas, and newer versions on Itaniums.
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Thanks, and I suppose you are right, M$ will move eventually...no, they will, honest...just look at the mascot they've chosen for their next-generation OS. I mean, nothing moves fast like a cow...we all saw the keynote right? That thing was movin'!

But for the moment, we have an edge and hopefully Apple won't squander it. And panphage is right, how do we spiral off on these tangents 😀 .

Maybe they are waiting to put a faster 970 in the next Xserve...2.5 GHz? Or perhaps they're waiting for the move to the .09 process (which will help with the cooling issues). They'll intro new Xserves and Powerbooks as well as new PowerMac models maybe in a January, 2004 20th anniversary special event or something, in honor of the 1984 intro of the Mac.
 
Originally posted by ddtlm
ryan:

Unlike the Moto G5 rumorfest, Apple has publicly announced that the sucessor to the current IBM G5 is well on the way.
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When? Where? Lets see a link.
 
Well, I don't have a link to give you other than the usual rumor sites...but I did hear it mentioned in the keynote video which introed the G5. The IBM prez himself said they (IBM) was already well into development on the next generation processor.

Rustus
 
Originally posted by Rustus Maximus
Well, I don't have a link to give you other than the usual rumor sites...but I did hear it mentioned in the keynote video which introed the G5. The IBM prez himself said they (IBM) was already well into development on the next generation processor.

Rustus
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Yes, but there was no specific mention of the G6/980 or a time frame.

I have no doubt we'll see next generation processors from IBM at some point but to be talking time frames or model numbers when G5/970 based systems aren't even shipping yet just doesn't make any sense.
 
Originally posted by ryan
Yes, but there was no specific mention of the G6/980 or a time frame.

I have no doubt we'll see next generation processors from IBM at some point but to be talking time frames or model numbers when G5/970 based systems aren't even shipping yet just doesn't make any sense.
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He said next generation processor...I don't know what it will be called, if the name is changed at all, who knows? This thread started about speculation about when the G5 would show up in the Xserve. I guess it got sidetracked into a discussion on the IBM roadmap for their processors.

Besides this is a RUMORS site, it's ALL speculation (most of it 😉) I hope you don't come here hoping for infallible truth. If we are lucky they get a few right.
 
Greed is one of the most common sins when it comes to computers...

Originally posted by adamfilip
oh yeah i cant wait.. a Quad g6 in my new 20" OLED powerbook
with a new hydrogen fuel cell!, 12 gigs of nanotube static memory. a 500gb 1" 20,000 rpm SATA hard drive with 32mb buffer

hope its no more then 1/2" thick. and weighs no more then 2 lbs.
cause then i wont be able to carry it to the park and surf the web!

🙂
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If "carry it to the park and surf the web" is all You want to do - even the PB-G3 does that well. You don't need a Porsche to go to the local 7-11...
 
IBM vs ROTOMOTO

Originally posted by altivec 2003
I see what you are saying, but I think... ...Of course we all hope that ibm will be a million times better than motorolla...
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You guys are all ditching MOTO with a big sigh, but You all forgetting a small detail. I'm a digital media professional and Mac's are designed for "us". The main advantage (and the "double" performance edge over Wintels) was the huge cache of the MOTO! I'm very dissappointed with the 512k on the G5 - I would have expected at least 2MB, if not more - then You'll see Bill sweating his head off!!! Before I have swithched I have used "old original Intel P-II Xenon with 2Mb cache and the performance boost against the same proc with only basic cache with 3D and VFX apps was enormous!!! Then I tried G3... ...and have never looked back!!!

Salut!
 
Originally posted by Rustus Maximus
You've obviously never driven a Porsche to the 7-11. 😀
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I'm sure niether have You... If I could afford a Porsche I would not be "getting crap from 7-11"...

PS: You have obviously not get my point and Your answer says a lot about Your IQ and life principles...

Welcome to the real world...
 
Originally posted by Aditya
I'm sure niether have You... If I could afford a Porsche I would not be "getting crap from 7-11"...
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Fine. Others might.

Originally posted by Aditya
PS: You have obviously not get my point and Your answer says a lot about Your IQ and life principles...
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No it doesn't. You don't know enough about anybody here to make that kind of statement. Please get off your high horse.
 
Originally posted by Aditya
I'm sure niether have You... If I could afford a Porsche I would not be "getting crap from 7-11"...

PS: You have obviously not get my point and Your answer says a lot about Your IQ and life principles...

Welcome to the real world...
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I understood your point perfectly, a Quad G6 would be overkill for websurfing...unless of course you wanted to run, saaayyyy, a THOUSAND quicktime movies simultaneously.

You see...here in the real world...what I said about the Porsche is what we like to call..."a joke". And why do you say 'getting crap from the 7-11' with such venom, as though it's beneath you? Sounds like you have the problem with life principles...namely a superiority complex.

And speaking of life...go get one
 
Re: IBM vs ROTOMOTO

Originally posted by Aditya
You guys are all ditching MOTO with a big sigh, but You all forgetting a small detail. I'm a digital media professional and Mac's are designed for "us". The main advantage (and the "double" performance edge over Wintels) was the huge cache of the MOTO! I'm very dissappointed with the 512k on the G5 - I would have expected at least 2MB, if not more - then You'll see Bill sweating his head off!!! Before I have swithched I have used "old original Intel P-II Xenon with 2Mb cache and the performance boost against the same proc with only basic cache with 3D and VFX apps was enormous!!! Then I tried G3... ...and have never looked back!!!
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My understanding is that the L3 cache in G4 systems provides a throughput of only 4 Gb/sec. It is for certain that the L3 cache does *not* operate at the CPU speed. The main memory in the G5 (1.8 and 2.0) gives 6.4 Gb/sec throughput; so even in your applications you should see a unilateral speed increase over G4's.

It is possible that an L3 cache might help the G5, especially the duals; however, performance should still be higher than the G4's despite the lack of cache.
 
Originally posted by soggywulf
No it doesn't. You don't know enough about anybody here to make that kind of statement. Please get off your high horse.
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I don't have a Porsche and neither i have a horse... Anyway my point was that You are all asking for an insane unrealistic, or should I say UNJUSTIFIED specs. My question is - what do You need it for?!?!? My good old PB-G3 500MHz does most of my work just fine - and mind You I'm VFX Supervisor & CTO for major feature productions world-wide. So - come on and tell me what do You need the specs for?!? Justify Yourself...

Cheers

Aditya
 
Originally posted by Rustus Maximus
I understood your point perfectly, a Quad G6 would be overkill for websurfing...unless of course you wanted to run, saaayyyy, a THOUSAND quicktime movies simultaneously.
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Could You please tell me the "real world" use for "to run, saaayyyy, a THOUSAND quicktime movies simultaneously" unless You running a Video-server and in that case use an X-serve not the PB... Huh?

You see...here in the real world...what I said about the Porsche is what we like to call..."a joke". And why do you say 'getting crap from the 7-11' with such venom, as though it's beneath you? Sounds like you have the problem with life principles...namely a superiority complex.
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If I had a superiority complex I would have the Porsche and not even bother to interact over here... I didn't say the 7-11 stuff with "a venom" - and I appologize if it sounded like it - english is not my native language...

As I have posted above - the real point i was making is that if You have a requirement for high specs - do justify it!!!

For example:

I would like to see a "XHD Cinema Display" with more then 1920px horizontally so You could see the HD footage (1920x1080) at 1:1 and still have a space for the app interface / menus. The space below is generally used for timeline...

See Ya!

Aditya
 
Originally posted by Aditya
You are all asking for an insane unrealistic, or should I say UNJUSTIFIED specs. My question is - what do You need it for?!?!? My good old PB-G3 500MHz does most of my work just fine
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Not that I have to justify anything to you, but ok:

I need a computer that can listen to my speech arbitrarily, analyze it instantly to comprehend the question I'm asking or request I'm making, and reply with an intelligent answer or summary after searching through a wide variety information available on the globe-wide network.

BTW, you might want to stop being so bombastic. We are all here for fun, after all.
 
Settle down folks. If this thread sees anymore flames it's getting shut down and the offenders get their first and only warning.
 
I can't believe I just read this. Xserve, people, Xserve! read the thread subject. We are here to cream our pants over a G5 Xserve. Or at the very least compare IBM to Intel architectures and project into the future...
 
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
Wait...at the keynote, did Steve say they were going to get to 3GHz by the end of the year or within a year?
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Within, dear boy, within.

Il n'y a pas un cuillère.
 
I feel confident we are going to get an Xserve G5. That is, unless Apple just wants to get rid of the whole Xserve line entirely.

Who would buy an Xserve when its computing power is so much less than the Pro line Power Macs?

Or maybe that's why Apple crippled the expandability of the G5's. That way, anybody who needed any sort of legitimate expansion would have to go with the lower-power Xserve with more expansion options.

Hehehe, we can make a diverse product line by coupling new features with crippling ones!😀
 
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