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Yet another "oh my god how much longer do I have to wait for a new MBP thread"

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Okay, I've had the 2012 Macbook Pro (Baseline with an Evo 1TB popped in) since well, 2012.
It's 2016, and I think this baby and I had a good run.

I'm going back to college after some time in service (and a medical discharge), and was personally really hoping to take a new fancy laptop along.

But alas, apple has failed all of us and has not released any new macs... for now.

I am genuinely concerned, however, because I am lead to believe back-to-school season is when laptops in general sell most. With apple's revenue from iDevices dropping and the pressure intensifying to recoup their financial performances, do they intend to make it up with a one giant bang of simultaneous four-platform update in their traditional fall update?

Now that I think of it, it might make sense that because WWDC was a software event for all their platforms, the fall event would be a major hardware event for the same platforms.

But that will just destroy Apple's Q3 revenue! ...or will it?

I don't know! What are your personal thoughts? And do you agree that Apple would take a hit if they wait till September to refresh their macs alongside the iDevices?
 
jobush said:
Okay, I've had the 2012 Macbook Pro (Baseline with an Evo 1TB popped in) since well, 2012.
It's 2016, and I think this baby and I had a good run.

I'm going back to college after some time in service (and a medical discharge), and was personally really hoping to take a new fancy laptop along.

But alas, apple has failed all of us and has not released any new macs... for now.

I am genuinely concerned, however, because I am lead to believe back-to-school season is when laptops in general sell most. With apple's revenue from iDevices dropping and the pressure intensifying to recoup their financial performances, do they intend to make it up with a one giant bang of simultaneous four-platform update in their traditional fall update?

Now that I think of it, it might make sense that because WWDC was a software event for all their platforms, the fall event would be a major hardware event for the same platforms.

But that will just destroy Apple's Q3 revenue! ...or will it?

I don't know! What are your personal thoughts? And do you agree that Apple would take a hit if they wait till September to refresh their macs alongside the iDevices?
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Apple like to release new stuff after they have sold all their old stock to students in the summer. To be honest 90% of them will have no idea, they will just buy what they like the look of and that their parents will pay for. This is of course totally valid as most of them will use them for little more than writing papers and social media.
 
What do I hope with this refresh? They're wating so long because the tech is going to be stupendous.

Intel's new storage is released later this year, which is 1000 times quicker than normal Flash storage. So you'll be getting read/write speeds easily exceeding 500GB/s. Storage so quick that it could act as RAM with the real-time swap; so you'd just have a "1TB MacBook Pro", which essentially has 1TB of RAM if necessary. 16GB or so will always be hidden/inaccessible by the OS so you won't run out of RAM completely if you fill up the storage.

Plus much better battery life, dGPU option from NVIDIA, and thinner with USB-C which still has MagSafe technology. 17" option by making the display bezeless, and still having 15"/13" options.

What will most likely happen? None of the above, other than it being thinner and likely no dGPU.
 
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keysofanxiety said:
What do I hope with this refresh? They're wating so long because the tech is going to be stupendous.

Intel's new storage is released later this year, which is 1000 times quicker than normal Flash storage. So you'll be getting read/write speeds easily exceeding 500GB/s. Storage so quick that it could act as RAM with the real-time swap; so you'd just have a "1TB MacBook Pro", which essentially has 1TB of RAM if necessary. 16GB or so will always be hidden/inaccessible by the OS so you won't run out of RAM completely if you fill up the storage.

Plus much better battery life, dGPU option from NVIDIA, and thinner with USB-C which still has MagSafe technology. 17" option by making the display bezeless, and still having 15"/13" options.

What will most likely happen? None of the above, other than it being thinner and likely no dGPU.
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1000X faster refers to latency not bandwidth. I wish i could post benchmarks to show you but it's too early here and I'm lazy. You can look them up though.
 
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OSX7 said:
1000X faster refers to latency not bandwidth. I wish i could post so benchmarks to show you but it's too early here and I'm lazy. You can look them up though.
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Ah well, there goes that pipe dream :( Thanks for correcting.
 
jobush said:
But alas, apple has failed all of us and has not released any new macs
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Yep, I'd say many people are very disappointed the lack announcements. Rene over at iMore called it, when he said no new hardware last week on the MacBreak weekly podcast. I give him props for that.

jobush said:
Now that I think of it, it might make sense that because WWDC was a software event for all their platforms, the fall event would be a major hardware event for the same platforms.
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This marks the third year in a row regarding no hardware, but apple has had a rich history of rolling out new products at WWDC.

Source (up to 2014)
  • 2004 New Cinema Displays
  • 2005 Announcement of going to intel
  • 2006 Mac Pro
  • 2007 No hardware
  • 2008 iPhone 3G
  • 2009 Macbook pros, and iPhone 3Gs
  • 2010 iPhone 4
  • 2011 No hardware
  • 2012 MBA and rMBP
  • 2013 New Mac Pro and MBA refresh
  • 2014 No hardware
  • 2015 No hardware
  • 2016 No hardware

jobush said:
I'm going back to college after some time in service (and a medical discharge), and was personally really hoping to take a new fancy laptop along.
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If you can wait until the fall, then do so, otherwise look to buy what apple has to offer now, or look to other computer makers that have already updated their hardware. Personally I think spending so much money on a MBP at this point is a waste of funds, when you can get something more current for less, but that's just my $.02
 
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Guys did anyone notice that Apple (I think) somehow only showed the Macbook as a promotional device for macOS ? Even on the website they only use Macbooks.

For me this is kinda proof that a new Macbook pro and even maybe the discontinue of the Macbook Air is pretty near..
 
Unrealmac1988 said:
Guys did anyone notice that Apple (I think) somehow only showed the Macbook as a promotional device for macOS ? Even on the website they only use Macbooks.

For me this is kinda proof that a new Macbook pro and even maybe the discontinue of the Macbook Air is pretty near..
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They show the latest OS on the latest Mac. Simple as that
 
Back to School lets them clear out a lot of old stock. Everyone gets a $200 discount in the form of Beats Headphones (that I'm disappointed I don't get for free with my new MBP now) and a student discount. Then they release the new MBPs and will get a bump in sales from that too. The current MBPs are still awesome machines and go toe to toe with everything that's out today despite with some people here think.

As far as Q3 profits go, consider how long we've had the current design - 6-7 years now? If we assume this next design will last as long, then this is an investment Apple wants to get right and that'll take time. Maybe they miss out on some sales this year, but can pick up more sales later than if they released a rushed product. This is a good thing while it sucks for those of us waiting.
 
jobush said:
But that will just destroy Apple's Q3 revenue! ...or will it?

I don't know! What are your personal thoughts? And do you agree that Apple would take a hit if they wait till September to refresh their macs alongside the iDevices?
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Yes it wiill destroy Q3 but not as badly as if they announced it and the product wasn't ready and had to wait until Q4 to ship. It's not like Apple is intentionally delaying products and not want to announce new products. They're just not ready. They'll announce the redesigned mbp when closer to when it's ready to ship.
 
I don't think we are going to get any Mac hardware updates until Sierra is released (unfortunately). I'm assuming next-gen MacBooks and MBAs will receive a Siri keyboard key instead of using the keyboard shortcut. Same goes for MBP if it doesn't end up getting the OLED top bar.

School starts in August and was looking to get a new MBP because my 2012 MBA is on its way out, but looks like I'm going to have to make this computer last until October.
 
I remember when I started college in 2009 and Apple released the late 2009 MBP like weeks after school started. I upgrade again in 2011 before my junior year started and once again, a few weeks after my junior year started, Apple released the late 2011 MBP.

As the other commenter posted a majority of college kids have no idea what Skylake is. Plus, up to a certain extent, the older a product and components have been out, the more profit Apple makes. A new MBP on release day might costs Apple $1,000 to make but a year later that same MBP might only costs $800 to make, meaning Apple can make $200 more on each MBP while they fleece back to school shoppers for the biggest profit.
 
maflynn said:
Yep, I'd say many people are very disappointed the lack announcements. Rene over at iMore called it, when he said no new hardware last week on the MacBreak weekly podcast. I give him props for that.


This marks the third year in a row regarding no hardware, but apple has had a rich history of rolling out new products at WWDC.

Source (up to 2014)
  • 2004 New Cinema Displays
  • 2005 Announcement of going to intel
  • 2006 Mac Pro
  • 2007 No hardware
  • 2008 iPhone 3G
  • 2009 Macbook pros, and iPhone 3Gs
  • 2010 iPhone 4
  • 2011 No hardware
  • 2012 MBA and rMBP
  • 2013 New Mac Pro and MBA refresh
  • 2014 No hardware
  • 2015 No hardware
  • 2016 No hardware


If you can wait until the fall, then do so, otherwise look to buy what apple has to offer now, or look to other computer makers that have already updated their hardware. Personally I think spending so much money on a MBP at this point is a waste of funds, when you can get something more current for less, but that's just my $.02
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i want the 15" but tis 3029 dollars :(
 
Queen6 said:
Exactly Apple is pricing itself out of the market in many regions. $3k for the current 15" rMBP is just a joke, nor is it worth it.

Q-6
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should i buy the 13" and sell it when the new macs come out? i assume it would be easier to sell
 
jobush said:
Okay, I've had the 2012 Macbook Pro (Baseline with an Evo 1TB popped in) since well, 2012.
It's 2016, and I think this baby and I had a good run.

I'm going back to college after some time in service (and a medical discharge), and was personally really hoping to take a new fancy laptop along.

But alas, apple has failed all of us and has not released any new macs... for now.

I am genuinely concerned, however, because I am lead to believe back-to-school season is when laptops in general sell most. With apple's revenue from iDevices dropping and the pressure intensifying to recoup their financial performances, do they intend to make it up with a one giant bang of simultaneous four-platform update in their traditional fall update?

Now that I think of it, it might make sense that because WWDC was a software event for all their platforms, the fall event would be a major hardware event for the same platforms.

But that will just destroy Apple's Q3 revenue! ...or will it?

I don't know! What are your personal thoughts? And do you agree that Apple would take a hit if they wait till September to refresh their macs alongside the iDevices?
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Maybe you should purchase from a company that serves your interest otherwise buy the existing one.
 
RandomRazer said:
should i buy the 13" and sell it when the new macs come out? i assume it would be easier to sell
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I actually think a 15" would be easier to sell. At least I see them all over. They are the standard issue startup developer (or mega-company like Google) notebook in the Silicon Valley. I think they come attached to every Starbucks table around here.
 
jerryk said:
I actually think a 15" would be easier to sell. At least I see them all over. They are the standard issue startup developer (or mega-company like Google) notebook in the Silicon Valley. I think they come attached to every Starbucks table around here.
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its like the other way around on my university campus lol
 
lowendlinux said:
You obviously don't need the computer so whats the harm in waiting?
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The computer I have been using is heating up considerably, probably due to dust build-up at the dark side of the logic board + heat sink. I'm also a design student, and was hoping to save some time spent rendering Adobe CC and Rhino/cad stuff with a faster computer. I can probably stick it up till Christmas season, but my first quarter back in College will be quite cumbersome. I am by no means a "pro" by skill or occupation. Nonetheless, even as a student, it is really nice to use a capable laptop that keeps things moving along since I spend most of my time working in front of my computer. Right now, even with an SSD (and I try to keep all my working assets in the system drive), Lightroom, Premiere and After Effects feel sluggish. I don't do anything crazy with Photoshop and InDesign, so those things run pretty smoothly, though.

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maflynn said:
If you can wait until the fall, then do so, otherwise look to buy what apple has to offer now, or look to other computer makers that have already updated their hardware. Personally I think spending so much money on a MBP at this point is a waste of funds, when you can get something more current for less, but that's just my $.02
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I'm aware of the nature of WWDC (Many of my uni's students - myself included - are part of the developer ecosystem)

I was seriously considering just going Windows route, but I'm super paranoid about ransomewares. (And I know, there are ransomwares in the Mac land, too, albeit a bit more difficult to get infected) I'm a student, so it's not necessarily expected of me to generate industry standard fidelity work every term, but the college does expect professional work ethics; and "I contracted a ransomeware and there was no way for me to decrypt my files in time" would make a very poor excuse.
 
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Have you tried cleaning out your old laptop?

It's just a few months away. Get a refurb and sell it if the new 2016(?) are really worth the outlay. Since you're a student, you'll get education pricing which drops $100-200 off.

Lots of capable windows machines. The Dell 7559 is cheap and great for the price. I honestly doubt that you'll get all the paranoia related stuff unless you do shady stuff online. Reddit does not count. ;) I just use the default Windows Defender and nothing ever happens (even though I torrent a fair bit).
 
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Unrealmac1988 said:
Guys did anyone notice that Apple (I think) somehow only showed the Macbook as a promotional device for macOS ? Even on the website they only use Macbooks.

For me this is kinda proof that a new Macbook pro and even maybe the discontinue of the Macbook Air is pretty near..
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They always promote new hardware. And given USB-c is coming in the new MacBook pros, with probably less ports, they are planting the seed
 
friedkimchi said:
Have you tried cleaning out your old laptop?

It's just a few months away. Get a refurb and sell it if the new 2016(?) are really worth the outlay. Since you're a student, you'll get education pricing which drops $100-200 off.

Lots of capable windows machines. The Dell 7559 is cheap and great for the price. I honestly doubt that you'll get all the paranoia related stuff unless you do shady stuff online. Reddit does not count. ;) I just use the default Windows Defender and nothing ever happens (even though I torrent a fair bit).
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I've cleaned up the visible section of the logic board (when you remove the bottom lid) with compressed air, but I dare not lift it up to clean the heatsink/replace the thermal grease. I live in South Korea for the time being and I have no idea how much they'll charge for such service if it is even available at all.
 
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