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Yikes + Tiger = Slow
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I'm a novice about MacOS9 (hanging around with win31/98 at that time)
But I was impressed the see what is working on my old Clamshell:
Office2001, Acrobat5, Print2PDF, Photoshop, webDAV, VNC, FTP, FileSharing with Leopard/PPC, Classilla(web/email) ... So why distress coronaries with OS X?
400MHz G4 with 768 MB of RAM. I can upgrade the RAM to one GB, but I don't think that an extra 256 MB of RAM will make much of a difference.
Yeah, Mac OS 9 runs really well on this machine. And there's tonnes of software that will run in OS 9...One could spend weeks just toying with the stuff available on Macintosh Garden.
I think I'm going to reinstall Mac OS 9.
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I don't know. I think it's a 7200 RPM 60 GB Seagate drive. I'll have to check later.
On the iBook G3 Tiger isn't that bad. Maybe "beauty/speed is in the eye of the beholder"
But OS9 is faster...
Web browsing (I'm typing this from my Yikes running TenFourFox) is woefully slow. Perhaps I'm just used to faster machines. Oh well.On the iBook G3 Tiger isn't that bad. Maybe "beauty/speed is in the eye of the beholder"
But OS9 is faster...
Well thats not the fastest G4 cpu and Ten4Fox isn't that fast with out the tweaks that are all over this forum. Disabling Spotlight and Dashboard helps on slower G4 and G3 systems.
We were actually just having this talk in another thread. TFF isn't particularly fast, largely attributed to the resource hungry nature of Mozilla. See the pinned thread about the TFF tweaks the help speed it up, as they should help a lot. Although those tweaks will help make it useable, don't expect miracles – I have 1GHz+ machines that are still brought to their knees by TFF and the modern web.
In my experience, both a B&W G3 and a Yikes handle Tiger fairly gracefully.
I'd take a serious look at the condition of your hard drive-an under performing drive can really drag the system both opening closing programs, general I/O, and also when you need to page in and out. Many of these had a heavenly sounding, but none the less slow by modern standards, Quantum Fireball in the 12-20gb range. You would likely see a big improvement from switching to a newer 80gb 7200rpm drive.
Video card options are fairly limited unless you want to flash, but upgrading to a relatively inexpensive PCI Radeon 7000 will net some big benefits for any version of OS X. The Radeon series cards support Quartz Extreme, something that will really perk up OS X. One of the best options is a GEForce FX5200, which will give you full core image support but you will have to flash a PC version with Mac ROM
I'd take a serious look at the condition of your hard drive-an under performing drive can really drag the system both opening closing programs, general I/O, and also when you need to page in and out. Many of these had a heavenly sounding, but none the less slow by modern standards, Quantum Fireball in the 12-20gb range. You would likely see a big improvement from switching to a newer 80gb 7200rpm drive.
Video card options are fairly limited unless you want to flash, but upgrading to a relatively inexpensive PCI Radeon 7000 will net some big benefits for any version of OS X. The Radeon series cards support Quartz Extreme, something that will really perk up OS X. One of the best options is a GEForce FX5200, which will give you full core image support but you will have to flash a PC version with Mac ROM
I have had multiple hard drives begin a downwards performance spiral, but pass every test known to man. I would recommend that you give the hard drive a good hard look especially if it is as slow as you say it is. Granted, my perception of slow and your perception may differ, but even iBook G3s handled Tiger decently, and I could even get online with them without an issue. In fact, @bunnspecial has one of my old iBook G3s that I used to keep on my printer for downloading photos off of my network drive and printing them, and since I like iBooks, that machine often was used for browsing as well on here.
Try using @eyoungren's tweaks or my Easy Installer for them. It will really wake TenFourFox up as well as the use of some addons. By far, I saw the biggest improvement by installing Bluhell Firewall, a non-configurable hard coded ad blocker. It works great and has a very small performance footprint. On an older system, or any PowerPC system that is, web browsing is going to be a strenuous task. I am typing this from a 1.67 GHz PowerBook G4 running TenFourFox, but an iBook G3 could even reply fluidly on this site.
Oh yes, TFF is to heavy - but everything else ought to run smooth with Tiger...?
Maybe Spotlight takes a lot of ressources during the first run, which may last a few hours.
I'd rather use webkit for Tiger or Classilla on Classic which is faster than TFF even when running emulated.
Reducing some eye-candy/animations with Onyx and/or TinkerTool will speed up things too.
TenFourFox is going to crank the CPU, but with the correct tweaks even a G3 could provide a half-decent web browsing experience. The initial Spotlight run would take up to an hour on a low-spec machine, provided it is not being taxed.
The issue with WebKit on Tiger is that it is entirely unsupported and is getting long in the tooth. Leopard WebKit is beginning to be deprecated by numerous sites, and Tiger support is essentially non-existent. Classila relies on mobile sites, which does not cut it in my book. I am a bit curious about how much speed gains you saw by tweaking in OnyX. On Tiger, doing any tweaks, aside from removing Spotlight on G3s, never really gave me any notable improvement. If you have a list of what you tweaked, I would love to give them a shot!