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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Thanks – that's beta 14A361c.
Please see the quote that preceded the screenshot; rmercier's words.
But I don't get what you're trying to show...
It just looks like Safari with preferences open and (for some reason) aligned right under Spotlight.
Are you trying to say it looks like preferences is in focus when it's really spotlight that is?
rmercier observed that it's harder (with Yosemite, than with Mavericks) to distinguish between active and inactive windows … they just blend together too much.
I observe that it's harder with Yosemite, than with Mavericks, to distinguish between some things. The flatness and/or apparent absence of shadows (from the tops of some things) sometimes cause unrelated things to appear blended or joined; the interface implies a relationship that does not exist.
As far as I can tell, relationship problems such as those never happen with Mavericks.
An example from July (someone else's screenshot): https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19411559#post19411559
There are other examples.
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Pre-release Yosemite
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Smaller. but to me the dialogues appear squashed. A strange use of space.
Pre-release Yosemite
Smaller. but to me the dialogues appear squashed. A strange use of space.
All I see is that they keep removing ALL traces of perspective effects like "reflections" and "aqua gel" effects. Look above at the busy lines. One is flat grey. The other shows a 'glass' effect. Why are we moving BACKWARDS in GUI design? We almost had to have flat looking windows in the '80s on the Amiga, Atari ST and the original Mac. There weren't enough colors to go around. Now it seems like Apple is just purposely making OS X look like it's running on a 32-color graphics system or something. I just can't comprehend why you would want to go from those nice gel stoplight buttons to FLAT ONE-COLOR versions. It's beyond comprehension. They look UGLY/PLAIN. I honestly to god think some of you are just fracking BLIND. Aero was by FAR Microsoft's best looking interface. I don't know why they would want to go to that freaking ridiculous looking pastel "block panel" look that their phones used. It's just UGLY. Glass effects, reflections, mirrored chrome, etc. are EYE CANDY and now it's like we've got to CRAYON WORLD or something. Hell, even Crayons leave a reflective wax-like look, not flat flat colors that a ONE color FILL in Photoshop gives you.
Honestly, it just boggles the mind how ANYONE and I mean ANYONE could find Yosemite "better" looking. How is 2-colors better than 16 MILLION??? Riddle me that, Batman.
Honestly, it just boggles the mind how ANYONE and I mean ANYONE could find Yosemite "better" looking. How is 2-colors better than 16 MILLION??? Riddle me that, Batman.
I agree. It reminds me of some of the old window managers like TWM that used to run on X-Terminals.
Flat...simple...no 3D effects at all. Back then 16M of memory was a lot of memory and CPUs were clocking in the MHz range, not GHz range, so at least they had an excuse!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian_TWM_Maroon.png
Wouldn't you say that's the direction we're headed? Perfectly flat?
I guess, there's a notion that Mac hardware can be more usable if the operating system looks less like what's associated with Mac hardware; more like what's expected when working without a Mac.
From a month ago:
Like most people, I have the ability to use many more things, in my daily work and home lives, than an iPad alone; and successful use of those things does not require a resemblance to iOS. The devices that give me most pleasure are the ones that are fit for purpose.
Mavericks was fit for purpose. Yosemite is less fit.
Mavericks was fit for purpose. Yosemite is less fit.
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I am fully with you. When I heard that Jony is overtaking the UI design department I was really happy.
For OS X I expected something like Mavericks but for example the traffic lights a little bit faint like iced glass but still 3D.
I also can not understand the choice of pastel colours.
Additionally, those white buttons on grey ground like the back-forward buttons in Safari. I can not see any consistency. Jony Ive is a student of the Dieter Rams design school but right now I can not confirm this when I look on OS X.
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More broadly: Apple, Bang & Olufsen, Braun, Dieter Rams and memorable objects
> Apple's Inspiration For The iPod? Bang & Olufsen, Not Braun
Thanks. Interesting collection of information.
I am a follower of Rams myself. Last year I was near Frankfurt in Germany and visited estates designed by him - nice zen feeling around those estates. My father is an artist (drawing) and religiously loves simple design, therefore Rams was already part of my childhood especially his furniture. My student room really looks like it was furnished by Dieter Rams
I think most of OS X Yosemite fits but what I really don't like and really can't understand is the use of pastel colours. Maybe I need a Retina MBP, but I hope this is not necessary.
I trust Jony Ive and therefore I will be very patient. I expect OS X to be very polished in the next 1 to 2 iterations.
Additionally: I don't care if Ive copied something from Rams, whether it's the iPod or the flat panel display design of the current iMac. Ive is strongly influenced by Rams and for me this is the best case.
I am really happy that there is a connection between Rams & Ive!
Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N5aQyCzm4I
Lots of people complained about the use of pastel colors in iOS 7 as well. Yet, there is no significant use of pastel colors in the UI for either iOS 7 or Yosemite.Where do you see pastels?
Once again, show lots of PICTURES and not so much the GUI and your point is LOST. Working without a Mac? You mean with things that are not technology? Sorry, but that would be skeuomorphism. That was the whole point of it. A "Notepad" App looks like a real world notepad. Now it doesn't. How is that more like real life? OS X looks more like iOS7 and iOS8. That's the only thing it looks more like.
That looks absolutely fine.
I have to wonder how many people who adore Yosemite's flat/boring look would jump back onto the 3D bandwagon if Apple decided yet again that 3D was the way forward. While I have no doubt that some people genuinely love Yosemite's look over every other previous version, I can't help but feel many people love it simply because Apple deems it the future and Apple is infallible.
Good god, Yosemite doesn't look ANY better and I can't believe people make such a fracking big deal out of YELLOW instead of WHITE. In fact, it's hard to tell WTF you're looking at because EVERYTHING is WHITE and BRIGHT. Even looking at Mavericks Activity Monitor versus Mountain Lion, it's AWFUL. What I used to be able to read at a quick glance now requires careful examination because it all looks the SAME. Ironically, I see the same problem everywhere in Yosemite. It's harder to see where window boundaries are. It's harder to see where elements are. It's harder to tell what window is active. Everything is just BLAH. WHITE WHITE WHITE. It's like they took everything that made OS X easy to look at and differentiate one app and preference panel from another and through it out the Window and made it look like Microsoft (i.e. DRAB AND BORING).
But you can't believe you used to have to look at a Post-It Note style notes. OMG! OMG! OMG!!!!!
I know how you feel, sometimes a friend would show me something on his iPhone - and something would look different and beautiful, and almost "comfortable" somehow, but for a second I couldn't figure what it is. Then I notice it's pre iOS7.
I think those people who genuinely love Yosemite's look are people who are new to Apple or who've only been there for a few years. Then, when you say something like that, there's always one Apple die hard fan who comes and says he's been using Apple since the 80s and how he loves Yosemite so much. In this case we'd go back to your first example, basically the "Apple slaves", people who usually have a weak personality and therefore follow and do everything you tell them.
As for the first sort of people - I think these people just switched to Apple because Macbook and that sort of stuff are in now, not because they like the system itself. Deep inside they prefer the Windows for what it is, and Apple for the brand and the logo. I know some people who installed Windows on their MacBook for example, and don't use OSX at all, or just barely.
And since these new users are a big share of Apple's customers now, it's logical that Apple will adapt to them, by giving them what they *really* want - deep inside. Which is not the Apple look, but the Windows/Android/Whatever look, with the Apple logo stamped on it.
But it will be a hard day for Apple when these customers, who are not loyal customers, will be gone… if you look at the past, Apple was nearly unknown and it was almost "out" and "not cool" here in Europe not even that long ago. People laughed at you when you told them you had a Mac. I was one of the only ones who had Apple computers. With the iPod, Apple quickly became "in". But it's not a secret that fame that comes in so quickly, over such a short period of time, can disappear just as fast. :roll eyes: So Apple should think about which customers are the more important ones, the long-term customers or the short-trend-customers.
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I think those people who genuinely love Yosemite's look are people who are new to Apple or who've only been there for a few years. Then, when you say something like that, there's always one Apple die hard fan who comes and says he's been using Apple since the 80s and how he loves Yosemite so much. In this case we'd go back to your first example, basically the "Apple slaves", people who usually have a weak personality and therefore follow and do everything you tell them.
That's me! Except I've only been using them since 2002. And I wouldn't consider myself an "Apple slave"; I don't own an iPad and have no intention of buying one (or an Apple TV, or an Apple Watch, etc). Is it so hard to believe that some of us simply like the new design for aesthetic reasons? Personally, I also loved the iOS 7 revamp and I just like the clean, stripped-to-essentials look of Yosemite. It reminds me of my apartment: some might call it bare or spartan, but I just hate clutter!
To be an Apple slave you don't have to buy all of their products, some people are iPhone slaves, some others are iPad slaves, and others again can be OSX slaves.
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