Yosemite RC 1.0/PB4 is not ready for primetime

Discussion in 'OS X Yosemite (10.10)' started by HBX, Oct 4, 2014.

  1. HBX macrumors member

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    Alright PB3 was not that bad, but PB4/RC1.0 is a resource hog, I have 8 gigs and the kernel_task issue still isnt resolved, it eats up 1.85 gigs REALLY!!!
    Alot of the main system wide processes eat up more than 100mb down the line. I've been posting sending feedback about this issue since RC/PB4 came out because this issue was not present in PB3, its just saddening. I really hope that Apple is taking this issue seriously and release an RC 2.0, at least optimize it. I'm thinking that these processes are sending and creating logs so that if feedback is sent they can get a better idea to what is happening, I'm guessing thats why system wide processes are taking up so much memory, hopefully by the RTM release these issues get resolved.



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  4. mabaker macrumors 65816

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    Will my PowerMac G4 Quicksilver's performance be suffering? I'll wait till 10.10.1 to update, tho.
     
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    Is this a joke?... Jeez.
     
  6. CJM macrumors 65816

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    Dunno what you're talking about, I run Yosemite on my G4 Cube ;p
     
  7. MacrumoursUser macrumors 6502

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    great if its for something useful, but if its just lazy then not so great.
     
  8. Watabou macrumors 68040

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    I don't get it, it looks like you don't have any swapouts. So what's the problem?
     
  9. HBX, Oct 4, 2014
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    After a complete shutdown and starting back up everything is fine for the first hour or two, but if you leave it running for a while thats when processes start to eat up 100mb or more of memory.

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    I just had a power outage cause I'm in South Florida, once I come back from the gym, and let the machine run for a while with my usual processes running I will post screenshots and you guys can be the judges. I just can't comprehend how on PB3 with the same apps running everything was fine and now with PB4 I'm down to like no memory left, trying to accomplish normal tasks is a pita. Bbiab.


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  10. TechGod macrumors 68040

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    RAM usage is a very good thing. You want as little as RAM free as possible. The more inactive RAM the better(generally)
     
  11. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    Yea I understand that, but its hindering performance to where its just not usable. If it uses it and its usable its not an issue. But its not. :(
     
  12. TechGod macrumors 68040

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    That certainly is odd. I am running a late 2013 rMBP with 8GB of RAM with RAM usage currently being at 6.56GB used and swap used:237mb and performance is still zippy.
     
  13. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    I think i'll just invest in a 16 gig kit and be done with it.







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  14. CJM macrumors 65816

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    Well I definitely recommend 16 these days, but I'm not sure how your system is becoming unresponsive, that is weird.
     
  15. ABC5S Suspended

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    OP, have you read about the new Activity Monitor, and the Memory Pressure graph ?

    ( GREEN IS GOOD )

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5890

    The combination of Free, Wired, Active, Inactive & Used memory statistics in previous versions of Activity Monitor have been replaced in Mavericks with an easy to read "Memory Pressure" graph.
    Memory pressure is indicated by color:
    ▪ Green – RAM memory resources are available.
    ▪ Amber – RAM memory resources are being tasked.
    ▪ Red – RAM memory resources are depleted and OS X is using the drive for memory.
    Tip:*If the Red state occurs, quitting apps can free up RAM. You may also be able to install more RAM to prevent memory depletion.

    Many have not read it, and are making a mistake in thinking that the memory being used over what they have seen before is bad when in fact its suppose to be this way now. If the Graph is GREEN then you are OK. This rant reporting of the memory being used up has been going on now for awhile. Do a Google search for more info on it....
     

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  16. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    I completely understand all that, and everything is fine for lets say the first 2-3 hrs, but after a while the smallest of apps grow from 100mb to 600mb, which never happened before with PB3. I just don't get why thats happening, my workaround for now is not putting it to sleep but shutting it completely down. Im ordering a 16 gig kit on Friday. I think Yosemite is great, but damn is it a resource whore.
     
  17. ABC5S, Oct 5, 2014
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    #18
    Look at your Memory Pressure gauge. Is it Green or not ?

    Mine has been all over the place, I read that link and others and have no issues with Yosemite at all. I don't bother with it anymore.

    Read this thread..

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470580

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1657940

    This might help as well...
    http://www.michaelkummer.com/2013/10/27/mavericks-your-system-has-run-out-of-application-memory/
     
  18. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    Mine is green, thats great. But it still annoying when your trying to watch a movie or tv show and it starts to stutter, and you only have 4 apps open. I'll just have to bite the bullet and drop $200.00 on a 16gig kit.
     
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    I also have a MacMini 2011 500 Hdd 8 GB memory( Sig below). Had 16 GB, and never once saw the Activity Monitor needing even 8 GB. So I sold the other 8 GB, and stayed with 8 GB total but I don't play games. What was needed by me was an SSD instead, that would give me boot up/shut down speeds, and downloads as well.

    Good luck OP
     
  20. Watabou macrumors 68040

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    I'm not sure if you need the 16GB. In fact, I think this will be a waste of money, based on what you posted, you seem to have 2GB of inactive memory, and have little to no swaps, you're definitely not running out of free memory.

    First, it seems like you have way too many kernel extensions installed, which takes more memory. And even on my 16GB system, memory used is always around 15 GB. This doesn't mean I'm running out of memory.

    What I do recommend is the SSD. I think it'll make more of a difference for you. Even if you get some swaps, the machine doesn't slow down as much.
     
  21. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    I would love an SSD in my Mini but I just don't feel like taking my whole machine apart to install an SSD, it'd be nice if I could take it to the Apple store and have them do it, but not sure they'd do that.

    I run VM's so getting a 16 gig kit is something I've been anticipating for a while now.
     
  22. ABC5S Suspended

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    Unfortunately apple will not do this, but as is in my area there are at least three places that perform upgrades to Apple products. You may wish to into this, or bit the bullet and wipe your system clean after backing everything up to an external drive or USB thumb drive, and install Yosemite when it finally is released. But you have to remember your system is the 2010 vintage, and if you do go the memory upgrade (Not that expensive and easy to install) you will still have issues. Give it a try OP, on the memory
     
  23. donlab macrumors 6502

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    Upgrade SSD not RAM.

    8GB in your current system is fine. Toss that 320GB Toshiba in the trash and get an SSD.

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    8GB in your current system is fine. Toss that 320GB Toshiba in the trash and get an SSD.

    Update: recycle it after you go office space on it with a baseball bat
     
  24. HBX thread starter macrumors member

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    Sep 16, 2014
    #25
    Seems whatever they did to PB5 has resolved the kernel_task taking up over a gig in memory, my system still eats up most of my memory but its at least usable now and I can watch video (HBOgo) and use my other apps, currently I have Opera running with 24 tabs open sitting at 395mb available and the system is at least responsive. Kernel_task is only using 689mb, I can tell tho that some apps like NewGenBook which I got from the App Store are maybe not optimized for Yosemite yet because that app is using about 500mbs, and all it is, is a front end for Facebook and it works off Flash (from my understanding) Keep you all posted ...
     

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