Charging a standalone price or padding it into costs elsewhere will still charge you for it...They should not charge for this, find a way to integrate it into your costs.
Charging a standalone price or padding it into costs elsewhere will still charge you for it...They should not charge for this, find a way to integrate it into your costs.
I have an iPhone 15 Pro and I just bought a Garmin Inreach Mini 2 last week. I purposely went somewhere to test it to see how it compared to the emergency SOS satellite on the iPhone. I found a really bad flaw in the Apple Satellite feature. Where I was, my iPhone said I had one bar of signal, but the signal was so weak, I was not able to make any calls or send any iMessages/SMS. I tried to send my location via satellite (to test the satellite without actually setting off an emergency) and the iPhone said that satellite was not available because I had cellular signal (even thought the cellular signal was too weak to use). The Garmin worked with no issue. Worth the money for me for the Garmin, but the Apple satellite is good to have as a back up solution, I would not rely on it. Had that been a real emergency I would have been screwed if not for the Garmin.That just isn't possible without support for satellite technology built into the phone itself.
Apples announcement is a game changer - I would guess Garmin stock just dropped as it instantly makes a lot of Garmin devices irrelevant.
You may not have been paying attention.That just isn't possible without support for satellite technology built into the phone itself.
Apples announcement is a game changer - I would guess Garmin stock just dropped as it instantly makes a lot of Garmin devices irrelevant.
Feels like it willSmart move: introduce a feature for free, make it even more useful and then charge for it. Satellite communication is very expensive so of course Apple won't just eat the cost.
I can even see then getting you make an emergency SMS and charge you afterwards
Emergency SOS may ALWAYS be free.. either via some minimal charge or device purchase… or it will work, but there is going to be some charge..Can you imagine the negative backlash if someone ever died in a car crash because they didn't opt in to a subscription. It would kill Apple.
On the other hand, I can see that providing run-of-the-mill SMS messages over expensive satellites is a different matter that could attract a charge.
I highly recommend a proper PLB if you are hiking in areas with no signal. I carry an ACR PLB myself. These are designed for life and death situations with a much more robust communications infrastructure and process. Those feature on the iPhone are nice but always want to have a secondary more failsafe comms in the event something serious happens.This is awesome! This will make me feel a lot better about hiking in serviceless places.
Tragedy of the commons 😂Feels like it will
1) Be free to start
2) Some small percentage of users will send a massive number of SMS - like 1% sending 85% of satelitte SMS
3) AS a result, Apple either (a) limits everyone to x free per month or (b) [more likely] uses this to justify charging everyone a fee, or various plans with x messages included.
Thank you! We don't go quite that extreme, but we do run into spotty, or nonexistent service. However — T-Mobile has promised to help with thatI highly recommend a proper PLB if you are hiking in areas with no signal. I carry an ACR PLB myself. These are designed for life and death situations with a much more robust communications infrastructure and process. Those feature on the iPhone are nice but always want to have a secondary more failsafe comms in the event something serious happens.
Why? It's not available everywhere by everybody right now. Is it someone's fault now if it happened? Why would that be Apple's fault in some speculative future?The optics of beginning to charge for this feature, and somebody dying because they couldn't afford the subscription after it was free for years, would be pretty bad.
Which is why they should permit a “pay later” option. A warning should pop up stating that you may be charged but still permit the messages to go through. I (and I’m sure anyone) would gladly pay for a lifesaving feature after the fact.Can you imagine the negative backlash if someone ever died in a car crash because they didn't opt in to a subscription. It would kill Apple.
On the other hand, I can see that providing run-of-the-mill SMS messages over expensive satellites is a different matter that could attract a charge.
Someone will have to pay for the uplinks/downlinks for the satellites that Apple uses, but does not own.They should not charge for this, find a way to integrate it into your costs.
Just put it as part of iCloud + basic. I mean, they are eating the cost for two years so I hardly doubt it is that expensive to use.Someone will have to pay for the uplinks/downlinks for the satellites that Apple uses, but does not own.
No. If you add it as a part of iCloud + without raising the prices then you don’t charge for it in the consumer eyesCharging a standalone price or padding it into costs elsewhere will still charge you for it...
Just put it as part of iCloud + basic. I mean, they are eating the cost for two years so I hardly doubt it is that expensive to use.
This gets into the tricky balance of bundled services via subscription. I don't intend/have a need to use satellite text messaging, and may not have a supported device anyhow. Why should I pay for this feature that I don't want/can't use just so I can store more photos in the cloud, which is all I use iCloud for at a dollar a month.No. If you add it as a part of iCloud + without raising the prices then you don’t charge for it in the consumer eyes
I’m sure there’s been situations this year where people haven’t been able to contact emergency services via their phones because they failed to pay their cellular phone bill. I don’t think there’s been any impact to those companies.Can you imagine the negative backlash if someone ever died in a car crash because they didn't opt in to a subscription. It would kill Apple.
On the other hand, I can see that providing run-of-the-mill SMS messages over expensive satellites is a different matter that could attract a charge.
You don’t since they won’t raise pricesThis gets into the tricky balance of bundled services via subscription. I don't intend/have a need to use satellite text messaging, and may not have a supported device anyhow. Why should I pay for this feature that I don't want/can't use just so I can store more photos in the cloud, which is all I use iCloud for at a dollar a month.
Phone calls from a flying Jet? Forget it - not possible. There are many reasons why... Distance to earth stations (regular 4G / 5G) is more or less the same as up to satellites; about 30K ft / 10km. If you can't reach down, you can't reach up as well (we talk about regular smartphones). Of course - with some tech in / on the plane it works - but just for the plane and his tech, not for costumers.I wonder if more people will use this since it'll be messaging instead of trying to make an emergency phone call. Could be interesting.
I'm also curious about pricing longer term. I can't imagine apple subsidizing this forever, especially with a feature as common as messaging.
Speaking of features that don't need internet, this is just a side idea - it would be cool for iMessage to work with UWB or something. For example, being on a plane and still being able to message someone I know who isn't far from me would be pretty sweet. I realize that's pretty niche, but still.
Sats have to have the same tech as the regular earth stations. I think it works just with 4G. 5G doesn't offer that distances (frequency plus internal antenna of the phone).how does this work again? is there a separate “satellite” radio built in?
Calling emergency services works even without an active phone plan (at least in the US).I’m sure there’s been situations this year where people haven’t been able to contact emergency services via their phones because they failed to pay their cellular phone bill. I don’t think there’s been any impact to those companies.![]()