You know you're an Architect when...

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  1. Genghis Khan macrumors 65816

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    You know you're an Architecture Student when...
    1. ...the alarm clock tells you when to go to sleep.
    2. ...you KNOW what Fevicol tastes like.
    3. ...you CELEBRATE space and OBSERVE your birthday.
    4. ...people get nauseous just by smelling your caffeine
    5. ...you think it's possible to CREATE space.
    6. ...you've slept more than 20 hours non-stop in a single weekend.
    7. .you're brother or sister thinks he or she is an only child.
    8. ...you're not seen in public.
    9. ...you lose your house keys for a week and you don't even notice.
    10. ...you've brushed your teeth and washed your hair in the school's washroom.
    11. ...you've discovered the benefits of having none or very short hair. You've started to appreciate inheriting baldness.
    12. ...you've used an entire role of film to photograph the sidewalk.
    13. ...you always carry your deodorant.
    14. ...you take notes and messages with a rapidograph and colour markers.
    15. ...you see holidays only as extra sleeping time.
    16. ...you've got more photographs of buildings than of actual people.
    17. ...you've taken your girlfriend (boyfriend) on a date to a construction site.
    18. ..you can live without human contact, food or daylight, but if you can't print, it's chaos.
    19... when youre being shown pictures of a trip, you ask what the human scale is.
    20. ...you can use Photoshop, Illustrator and make a web page, but you don't know how to use Excel.
    21...you consider using broccoli for your models.
    22...you consider 3AM an early night.
    23...upon hearing 'supermodel', you think of a nicely crafted-foam core model.
    24... you ask Santa Clause for architecture supplies.
    25...Your four basic food groups are candy, caffeine, coffee, and pretzels.


    I love these...there is a better one on facebook somewhere, but as i'm idealistically opposed to it, i am unable to find it

    funny thing about this is that all of them are true :eek:
     
  2. mrfrosty macrumors 6502

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    In my experience you know your dealing with an architect when

    1. They can't draw a straight line.
    2. They charge me for work they have got the office junior to do.
    3. They can't measure a simple square.
    4. They add on things we specifically say we don't want.
    5. They don't understand how much things cost to build.
    6. They can't stick to a budget.
    7. They don't seem to understand simple planning regulations.
    8. Everything takes 2 weeks.
     
  3. ClassicBean macrumors 6502a

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    That was mean, yet brilliant. Well done, architect hater.
     
  4. Genghis Khan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    oooh....i see we have either an engineer or a builder.........what you didn't say was that if the built world was left to those two occupations we'd be left living and working in perfectly rectangular spaces in perfectly rectangular houses

    i don't want to get into an argument about who's right...

    but let me say..

    .i'm spending 5.5 years learning how to create spaces for people to live and work in, preferably putting a smile on their face...engineers/builders spend 3-4 years learning how to make a building stand up...so when an architect says they want unevenly spaced beams, engineers/builders go crazy....what they don't see is that the roof is going to have a window in it

    anyway...thanks for dissing an entire occupation:)
     
  5. furious macrumors 65816

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    With subtle changes those points could be any student. :p
     
  6. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Someone post some for network engineers, I need to see how many I match :D
     
  7. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    In some ways I can understand why there are those that don't care for architects. In my last year in Architecture school, I read a lot of work by Christopher Alexander and he makes an argument that Architects over the last 50-60 years (I can't remember his exact words) have led the world into thinking they hold all the secrets to creating space. Architects tend to design buildings for their own ego and for the praise of other architects and architectural critics while ignoring the common people. The majority of people don't understand modern architecture, thus it has become a form of elitism.
     
  8. mrfrosty macrumors 6502

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    No problems. Actually I'm neither of those things I'm just having a house designed by an architect. I'm amazed that it takes 5.5 years though that's about the same amount of time it takes to become a doctor !
     
  9. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    That all seems to be true. Sometimes, I look at a building and don't really know why it has to look so pretentious.

    If you want to "create space", just make a building with transparent glass outer walls, and a non-rectangular shape. Add on a really odd shaped roof made of a shiny material, one with lots of unnecessary curves, and voila.......space. *cough* And when you walk in through the front door, you should be greeted by an unnecessarily large atrium that lets in lots of light (thanks again to the wonderful glass walls). Large atrium = space.
     
  10. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Architects are handy for selecting door furniture but you wouldn't want in charge of building a dog kennel say.
     
  11. ejb190 macrumors 65816

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    One suggestion: Don't ever let your architect design the landscape... A local library did that. Let's just say that someone forgot that trees GROW!
     
  12. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Unless you have studio time (which is really where you spend all your time as an architect student) there are few other majors that even compare.

    D
     
  13. Genghis Khan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    @AdrianBlaine

    i understand exactly what you mean...i think this can be attributed to the lack of skill and over supply of Architects...i don't know about you, but i look around my city and know all the buildings have been designed individually by an architect (i.e. not the flatppack suburbs), and i come close to tears...i sometimes think that very few architects these days know what they're doing

    p.s. check out norman foster...he is a legend

    @MrFosty

    lol...yes it does take a long time at my uni (the others in australia take 3 years)...and if i want a dual degree in construction management it'll be 6.5 years...basically the people who i left in high school will all have started uni and half have finished before i get out :p (but hopefully i'll have three degrees)

    @Abstract

    i blame Frank Gehry *points at dartboard on the wall*

    @ejb190

    there are people called Landscape Architects...they study their own subjects :p

    @Mr. Anderson

    that's true...half of my time will be spend in studio classes

    ...speaking of which i should probably get back to that now :p
     
  14. ErikCLDR macrumors 68000

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    When you *forget* to put a support beam in the basement of my house, and then realize it needs one. In turn that somehow causes my door to stick in the winter, and rattle in warmer temps when someone opens the door to the garage on the complete opposite side of the house. I have no idea how that is related but thats what the builder says.
     
  15. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Since we're cracking wise here:
    That's what contingency money is for. You did set aside contingency money, didn't you?

    So is anyone else here practicing, or all students?
     
  16. skunk macrumors G4

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    No, that's what professional indemnity insurance is for...:cool:
     
  17. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    A beam that should have been there in the first place falls under the catagory of added value.

    Now, if you have to do a bunch of work to get it in, that would be on the Architect.
     
  18. skunk macrumors G4

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    Surely a beam that should have been there in the first place falls under the category of inadequate design? Typical f*cking architect! ;)
     
  19. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Of course it's inadequate design. The question is, who pays for what. Under the concept of added value, the owner is not paying any more than they should have, had the design been perfect from the get-go. If the project has progressed to the point where extra work is required to add the beam, then yes the Architect is responsible.

    You can pay me to make "perfect" plans. Or you can put in a contingency, go with near-perfect plans, and get going a heck of a lot faster. Most clients would rather get a move on.
     
  20. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    Not practicing quite yet. I just graduated in May and my wife and I just moved out here to the LA area. I'm not even sure if I want to pursue getting my license yet since I am torn between architecture and urban design. While where I'll be working does both, I want to wait and see if I significantly enjoy one over the other.
     
  21. skunk macrumors G4

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    So it's the Client's fault now, is it? Remind me when I'm driving my car and a wheel falls off at 70mph that it was "near-perfect". You crack me up. :D
     
  22. skunk macrumors G4

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    Practice makes "near-perfect", it seems.

    I design and build, does that count? Means I don't get much mileage out of blaming the Architect, though...
     
  23. Roger1 macrumors 65816

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    If you buy the expensive wheels, they won't fall off. But it will take them a month to put a set on your car, rather than an afternoon.

    :D
     
  24. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Sounds like you're practicing to me. Hope you're ready to be a CAD monkey for a while! No better way to learn the ropes than to put together a set of con docs. Except of course, to deal with the fallout of building off those con docs.

    If you are going to pursue a license, make sure you start the process early. Your CIDP/IDP fee can be payed in parts, $100 up front and the remaining $185 later on, if you register with NCARB within six months of graduation. Of course you'll need to come up with the $100 for CAB as well. But it beats having to shell it all out at once like I'm having to do now. It's a good idea to have the IDP checklist handy so you can start setting aside work samples as you go. You'll have 5 years to pass the AREs. I'd do it no matter which path I was going down. You never know when you'll want to do a little work on the side, and it doesn't hurt to have people who understand the ins and outs of architecture doing planning work. It surely won't hurt your employment chances later in life either.

    Also make sure that you get your employment verification forms filled out regularly (review time is always good) and turned in to the CAB.

    I'll probably have some ARE study material coming available in the next year... ;)

    Cars are very different from buildings and you know it. Cars are perfected by repeatedly building prototypes. Buildings are always one-offs. That means there are problems with every set of drawings. Have you ever known a job that didn't require as-builts because of some unanticipated issue?

    I'm not saying it's the client's fault that something was omitted. It's certainly the responsibility of the Architect to produce accurate construction drawings. I'm pointing out the reason clients don't pay architects to do perfect drawings. It could be done of course, but it would require prototypes that I doubt the average client wants to pay for. And I'm telling you the reality of a legal decision regarding a situation involving such an omission. Contingencies exist for just such reasons.

    Besides, I'm just gonna turn around and take it out of the hide of my structural engineer. ;)

    You're close. I was specifically asking about practicing architecture though. It seems like we've got several students, but no licensed Architects.

    Besides, residential barely counts. You can practically build an entire estate off the back of a napkin. What, like 3 structural sheets? Oh no! Help, it's getting complicated! :D
     
  25. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Clearly his fault. I feel no sympathy.
     

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