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This is convenient, but I see privacy issues coming up for this...

i.e. we have to present ID to the police, but as of now, they cannot force us to give phone password. So what do you do?
I would suggest not putting it into your phone. You're absolutely right that unlocking your phone for a cop is a bad move, especially if you're the sort of person with a bit more melanin in your skin.

Also, like you said, they can't force you to give up your phone password, which is why it's a good idea to shut down your phone the moment a cop pulls you over - that way FaceID can't be used, which they ARE legally allowed to force you to do (when last I read, anyway).
 


Apple today announced that some users will be able to add their driver's license to the Wallet app in iOS 15 this fall. This will be available in select states in the United States. If supported, you'll be able to scan your ID and store it directly in wallet.

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Like other cards and items in Wallet, your ID will be secure and encrypted. Apple is also working with the TSA so you'll be able to scan your ID when boarding certain flights.

More to follow...

Article Link: You'll Be Able to Add Your Driver's License to Your iPhone in Select States Starting With iOS 15
Everyone worried about handing over your phone to the police when being pulled over. You could just have your drivers license with your registration in the glove box. Problem solved.
 
I'd use it more of a backup for ID in the event my wallet was lost or stolen. I often wonder what happens if I would lose my ID while out of state and then try to get a return flight.

Hard copy official license card would be what I still used all the time.
 
The privacy issues of this could be avoided if the officers have a NFC device that reads the ID just like a credit card terminal does with Apple Pay. They don’t get possession of your phone locked or unlocked. They get a valid copy of your ID which they are entitled to.
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Does anybody know which states have been testing the digital infrastructure for this effort? There must be public domain documentation on something this broad, that involves state-level bodies.
 
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This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Does anybody know which states have been testing the digital infrastructure for this effort? There must be public domain documentation on something this broad, that involves state-level bodies.

most if not all patrol cars where I live have laptops in them, you would think all one should have to do is give name and birthdate and the LEO could pull your license up on their computer.
 
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Does anybody know which states have been testing the digital infrastructure for this effort? There must be public domain documentation on something this broad, that involves state-level bodies.
Here is an article that sums up current efforts. Most states are working with Gemalto.


UL is also working on developing universal standards
 
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Of course they announce this right after my state released a mobile license app.
I have a feeling that Arizona will just go, “we have our own app” and not bother :(.
 
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This is convenient, but I see privacy issues coming up for this...

i.e. we have to present ID to the police, but as of now, they cannot force us to give phone password. So what do you do?
Just like Apple Pay, double clicking the side button will just unlock the ID, and nothing else in the rest of the phone.
 
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You're absolutely right that unlocking your phone for a cop is a bad move, especially if you're the sort of person with a bit more melanin in your skin.

Also, like you said, they can't force you to give up your phone password, which is why it's a good idea to shut down your phone the moment a cop pulls you over - that way FaceID can't be used, which they ARE legally allowed to force you to do (when last I read, anyway).

Yeah, I'm not handing my phone over to law enforcement. I'll keep my actual drivers license.

But if a cop pulls you over for a busted tail light... are they really interested in browsing through your iMessages and email?

I'm just a little fuzzy about what a cop is supposed to do with your unlocked phone.

I've never been asked to give my phone to a cop.

Disclaimer: I'm a white male.
 
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I'd use it more of a backup for ID in the event my wallet was lost or stolen. I often wonder what happens if I would lose my ID while out of state and then try to get a return flight.

Hard copy official license card would be what I still used all the time.
If you are flying within the US you can still verify your identity with the TSA without an ID from their accepted list. It just takes a while. They actually have guidance on this on their website.
 
I love reading the reactionary "I won't hand my phone to the police" statement here.

Quite a few states have all ready allowed motorists to use electronic proof of insurance via a smart phone app. Those states include specific wording in the law that handing your phone to a law enforcement officer in the course of a traffic stop to prove insurance is NOT consent to access the contents of your phone, only the information needed in regards to the traffic issue at hand (violation, accident).

I guarantee the same applies for your digital ID.


If a cop is in a situation to deal with your ID or insurance on a traffic stop, they want nothing to do with whatever else is on your phone. These are typically guys assigned to answering calls for service, writing traffic tickets, or the poor SOB's stuck doing crash reports. They're basically paper pushers stuck out in the rain and the heat. They're more concerned with completing the procedural functions of their crappy assignment while not getting killed doing it.

That, and the following.

When's lunch?

Where is lunch?

Is my wife pickup the kids from school, or am I?

What's the weather? What's the weather? What's the weather?

They're not trawling your phone for pictures of last week's pot party, or your text messages to Glenn Greenwald or Alex Jones....
 
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Of course they announce this right after my state released a mobile license app.
I have a feeling that Arizona will just go, “we have our own app” and not bother :(.
This is news to me and I live in AZ. Where can I access?
 
This is convenient, but I see privacy issues coming up for this...

i.e. we have to present ID to the police, but as of now, they cannot force us to give phone password. So what do you do?

Be prepared to give your phone and phone access to law enforcement....

Yeah cops will love that, hand me your unlocked phone so I can see your license please

in poland we have an app issued by government where u have ID, license driver, car's ID, car insurance. when police stops you while in the car, u show them a QR code. they scans it and license driver appears on their device. no need to give them phone. i doubt people would use this system if police will take theirs phone for undefined timeframe (5-10-15min). i take my wallet only when i go abroad
 
I'd use it more of a backup for ID in the event my wallet was lost or stolen. I often wonder what happens if I would lose my ID while out of state and then try to get a return flight.

Hard copy official license card would be what I still used all the time.
Here's what is supposed to happen (from TSA website):
"In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete an identity verification process which includes collecting information such as your name, current address, and other personal information to confirm your identity."

The U.S. Supreme court has ruled that a lost ID is not a reason for TSA to deny boarding (but it has to be lost, you can't just refuse to show it). Good luck finding a TSA agent that knows this though.
 
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Then you keep the hardcopy with you.
This so much. It’s only an option not a requirement. If you have something that will implicate you in a crime on your phone then maybe carry a regular hard copy of your license 😂
 
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