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Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Sam2lucky13, Nov 3, 2013.
8 Core with Dual AMD Fire Pro 700s and 1 TB of Flash Storage.
North of 10K for sure.
That is what I want but forget paying that much
I was hoping for around 7k, no more than 8....10k will be way out of my budget.
Well a 6-core with D500s and 1TB storage will be $4,799. The 8-core CPU has a list price $1,200 more than the 6-core, so figure another $1,500. So $6,299 with whatever the D700s cost. I don't think they will be a hugely expensive add-on, but many do. Just have to wait and see, or read all the GPU speculation and drive yourself nuts
However high the price, remember it was designed and made in the USA! You are helping the economy and keeping someones job alive
Because the Chinese aren't real people
He said 1TB, those PCI-e SSD's cost around 300$ for 256GB. So add 1000$ for the SSD and you are at 7300$. Even if the D700 does not cost 2000$ more than D500, two of them probably will cost 2000$ higher than two D500 so we are close to 10K.
i guess I'm just going to settle for the d500s
6-core, 256GB, 16GB RAM, D500s is $3,999. 256GB to 1TB upgrade on iMac and Macbook Pros is $800, hence $4,799 for 6-core with 1TB.
I was going over the math from the base configuration since all options are available from it....
Start at $3000 and add 1tb of flash for a thousand $4000.
From 4000 add 1500 for an 8 core I'm at $5500.
$5500 and add the upgrade to the d700s for $2000 and finish up at $7500-8000.
Does this sound reasonable?
The $1500 is likely off for two factors.
1. Apple slaps a mark-up on all optional items added. So the Intel list price of $1723 for 8 core core model is far more like $2,240 ( 30% increase) in "Apple customer" land.
2. Apple doesn't just subtract their raw costs. For example
top standard config iMac 27"
Core i5 4670 $213
Optional BTO processor.
Core i7 $313
Raw price difference ? $100. Apple store price $200.
Even with 30% on top: $406 - $ 277 = $129
It is far more like ( New + 30% markup) - ( old raw cost ).
So $406 - 213 = $193 which is far closer to the $200 they actually charge.
Apple standard methodology is not going to give up any of the their 30% mark-up on the trade-in. [ Since a standard config they probably have already contracted for and bought based on projected sales for the part. They may be able to dump the extras on the secondary market, but they can't dump them with the 30% mark-up. So no "discount" that includes that part's 30% mark-up since it was never sold in a system. ]
Same methodology with E5 1680 v2 versus E5 1620 v2
( $1723 * 1.3 ) - $294 ===> $1946 ... which rounded up is $2,000. ( could round to $1950 but already in the $1000 delta range: round to nearest $100 wouldn't be surprising. )
$1,500 is quite likely around $500 off. ( even for the upgrade from 6 core price ($583 'raw'). That is likely more closer to $1,657-$1,700. Still off, but not as much. )
D700 pricing.... not sure what Apple is going to do there. It is going to be extremely tough to charge 2x prices for D700 since the power supply can't even power both at full blast at the same time. But then again they appear to be charging W7000 prices for D300's with 2GB or VRAM stripped off. So perhaps they are banking on folks not noticing on imposed limitations on D700s also.
The $500 off on CPU may wash out against the D700 pair being a bit high.
I am really looking forward to the nMP .. the only thing that has me worried are the gpus .. I hope the d500s are good enough because I know the d700s are going to be way out of my price range
I'm assuming the SSD in the Mac Pro is more expensive than the ones in iMac and Air, since it's almost 40% faster.
I'm on the same boat, but thinking about getting a 6 core processor and a 256 ssd and 16gb ram to have budget to go with the dual d700... What do you think?
I think we'll all have to wait for the pricing of D700 and the actual performance. It may not be miles above the D500 for most apps.
Keeping my fingers AND toes crossed
The config I really want: 8 core, 16GB Ram, 1TB and d500 (plus care).
I'm really hoping this comes in at $6k or less. FWIW, one thing I have working in my favor is a corporate discount that will take 8% off the machine and 12% off the AppleCare.
is the corporate discount the same as having a business account with apple ?
450 WATTS??? I just noticed this. Are they serious? How can they have 12 cores and dual GPU running on 450Watts?!
That's got to be a typo.
Edit: According to AMD's product page, the W9000 has a TPD of 274 Watts --that means 2 of them will run 548 watts all by themselves--not including the CPU. If that 450Watt number is accurate, they're seriously down-clocking these things.
A little Extra math: Each TB port is 10 watts - add 60 watts, each USB 3.0 port is 4.5 watts - add 18 watts.
No. I have a business account as well. Some (mostly very large) companies have negotiated discounts with Apple. They are called EPPs or Employee Purchase Programs and depending on the arrangements can vary between between 5% and 10% (I think).
For my part, I'm lucky enough that the terms of a client's EPP extends to contractors of which I'm one.
Some very interesting info in this thread ....thanks
i honestly think i could get the base model and be fine .. but i think I'm gonna get the 6 core base config with d500s and hopefully that will last a bit and be able to play a game or two .. and hopefully be able to do this on a single 4k display
I'll also be picking the same one up for business purposes. They had quad cores since 2006 "q6600," Hexacores should be the standard for workstations $2999+
They seem to be serious. If go to design overview page the Mac Pro puts out 12db worth of noise at idle. That only cranks up to around 18db a load. (perhaps not max load) One way to assist in that is to put a hard cap on the power (as opposed to magical fan properties. It is probably good; not magical. )
Also look at what they are doing with A7 system designs.
"Full Blast" for all of 100 seconds is actually long enough for a couple ( if not most ) of the 'drag racing' benchmarks that more than a few folks get their underwear in a twist about. Incrementally move the tests from one major computational package to another and it will turn in good numbers.
Coupled with OS X 10.9's "race to sleep" and they also may be able to do "blast, recover, repeat" cycles on a wide variety of workloads that will deliver acceptable user action/response. Non human driven workloads are the only loads that typical drive the engine throttle to 100% power and keep it there for extended periods of time.
There is also slop/safety factor in TDP specs also. If Fred, Barney , Wilma , and Betty all design different components with different coolers there is typically a small factor built in to account from the possibly conflicting designs. If Apple carefully measured and removed the margins they could punt on power/disposal that never gets generated/needed.
Doubtful all of these brings things all the way back to even, but it probably isn't quite as ridiculous as it looks. However, high enough that 6, let alone 7, TFLOPs is going to largely be a mirage on anything be the most contrived codebase+dataset.
Or not running them all at the same time. The common trait where all the CPU and GPU packages are going is that they don't run at a single speed. It is all about dynamic range. The computer should down clock when there is nothing to do.
The TDP 'clawbacks' mentioned above might give these sorts of of numbers depending upon how generous the margins are. But yes, back when folks were saying that 400W power supply was going to help deliver far lower pricing I did the similar math.
Those can get chucked by just using powered externals if going to load up on internal consumption (e.g., a 100% dedicated compute node could be spared being a peripheral power distribution center. )