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Sure, the MBP is a thin and light bathroom laptop, but it also happens to host the fastest CPU available on the laptop market at the moment (and can provide serious performance for hours without any throttling).

Wow. That is just so wrong.

Just a 30 second search and MSI sells a laptop with an Intel i7-7920HQ. I wonder what I'd find if I made an effort to find the laptop with the fastest CPU or looked for something newer with 8th gen. The Razor Blade Pro is comparable in size to the MBP with a much more powerful CPU (and GPU) as well.
 
Just a 30 second search and MSI sells a laptop with an Intel i7-7920HQ.

Yes, thats the fastest available mobile CPU at the moment. Don't really get your point here? Or you were not aware that Apple ships it in the 15" MBP?

I wonder what I'd find if I made an effort to find the laptop with the fastest CPU or looked for something newer with 8th gen

Probably nothing, since there is nothing faster? I mean, sure, there are thee laptops that use desktop CPUs, but I am sure we can safely ignore those here.

The Razor Blade Pro is comparable in size to the MBP with a much more powerful CPU (and GPU) as well.

The Razon Blade Pro is a 17" laptop that is more then twice the volume and almost twice the weight of the 15" MBP, comes with the i7-7820HK ( MBP uses a more feature-rich i7-7820HQ variant) — and unlike the MBP cannot be configured with the 7920HQ. Sure, it has a great GPU and all the internal expandability, which make sense, given its rather humongous size. Still, not sure what your point is in comparing the two?
 
Right, because unless something is heavy as a brick and also a size of a suitcase, it can't be considered a professional tool. Sure, the MBP is a thin and light bathroom laptop, but it also happens to host the fastest CPU available on the laptop market at the moment (and can provide serious performance for hours without any throttling).

I find it rather hilarious that people's brains start shutting down when something is "thin and light". A computer can be thin, light, powerful AND have great battery life. If you consider a computer like this a screw up, you have never been the target audience of Apple.

I think we can just say that some professional users would rather maximize a different variable than form factor. Sure a "thin and light" human can be a powerful weight lifter, but we all know that at higher weight classes, the lifters become more powerful. I can accept your definition but I can also accept other definitions of the word "pro". I suspect when Apple finally announces their new Mac Pros, this contentious issue may lessen. Given Apple's recent decisions to go back to the drawing board for the Mac Pro, Mac Mini and created the iMac Pro, I would say that Apple may just eventually cater to the "higher weight classes".

I understand what you are saying regarding - if one does not find the Macbook Pros to be sufficient for their usage, then Apple is not the right company for one's needs. In my interpretation, what Apple decides to do, is the status quo for the MacOS ecosystem. However, in context of a democratic society, I think we can all voice our own opinions. I would like to believe that Apple cares about the opinions of its users, all of its users, not just those who are already satisfied. In that view, I find it perfectly reasonable for previous, current and future users of Apple products to discuss their perspectives of the word "pro", such as on this website. I would think that the new upcoming Mac Pro, Mac Mini and the current iMac Pro are indications that Apple is listening and there is a loud enough collective voice.

While I personally for many reasons would not want the new Macbook Pros (I do not have any USB-C devices, I work in a dusty environment, I am very happy with my present Macbook Pro, etc), I can see that the new Macbook Pros are well received by many. To them, I hope Apple keeps the form factor alive. To others, I would like to see an option for something a bit more workstation-esque. For me personally, I would rather see a company like Apple serve my needs, because of their creativity, strive for integrity (although many argue otherwise), attention to detail and actual considerations for their users. Purchasing anything HP, Lenovo or Microsoft for example, has always made me feel guilty in some way because of their corporate histories.

Oh and by the way, I've always used my Macbook Pros as bathroom machines. I also use them for serious scientific work. I just wash my hands in between.
 
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Wow I was in a bad mood yesterday.

Anyway, I’m gonna sell my iPhone 8 Plus, my MacBook Pro. I’m gonna buy a 2007 netbook and an iPhone 3g. I’m also trading in my car and buying a yugo.

I’m neither a race car driver or photographer or pro user.

Send me a PM for details. Deals galore.
 
I think we can just say that some professional users would rather maximize a different variable than form factor.

I completely agree! There are certainly professionals who need powerful GPUs for their work and those cannot be hosted within a thin and light enclosure. But Apple was never interested in that particular mobile market segment — for users like these they offer stationary machines like that. And I understand their rationale. If you do some very heavy duty video editing or rendering or some other task that can scale well of the GPU (unlike basic photo/video editing), you probably want to use a proper workstation.

I just find it utterly ridiculous that someone would say "my 2010/11/12/13 etc. MBP was a great professional machine, but the 2016/2017 are garbage because they are too thin and too light". Neither of those MBPs had great GPUs by contemporary standards. And in the CPU department, MBP is currently top of the market, as mentioned before.

P.S. Of course, I am not at all opposed agains Apple releasing a new variant of the MBP, that trades portability for GPU performance (as long as they don't push this on the rest of us). I am simply pointing out that the primitive criticism along the lines of "its thin and light, so its not pro" doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since the new design didn't remove any feature or performance aspect from the old one.
 
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Loved my 2008 17" MBP (still running fine, but second battery has swelled beyond usefulness and needs to be recycled). Of course, by today's standards, it's a slug. I do wish Apple would release a new 17" (or maybe even 16") 4K (or 5K) MBP.
 
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I completely agree! There are certainly professionals who need powerful GPUs for their work and those cannot be hosted within a thin and light enclosure. But Apple was never interested in that particular mobile market segment — for users like these they offer stationary machines like that. And I understand their rationale. If you do some very heavy duty video editing or rendering or some other task that can scale well of the GPU (unlike basic photo/video editing), you probably want to use a proper workstation.

I just find it utterly ridiculous that someone would say "my 2010/11/12/13 etc. MBP was a great professional machine, but the 2016/2017 are garbage because they are too thin and too light". Neither of those MBPs had great GPUs by contemporary standards. And in the CPU department, MBP is currently top of the market, as mentioned before.

P.S. Of course, I am not at all opposed agains Apple releasing a new variant of the MBP, that trades portability for GPU performance (as long as they don't push this on the rest of us). I am simply pointing out that the primitive criticism along the lines of "its thin and light, so its not pro" doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since the new design didn't remove any feature or performance aspect from the old one.

Well said! Thanks for the great chat.
 
Loved my 2008 17" MBP (still running fine, but second battery has swelled beyond usefulness and needs to be recycled). Of course, by today's standards, it's a slug. I do wish Apple would release a new 17" (or maybe even 16") 4K (or 5K) MBP.
I've owned my 2008 17" from new. The SSD failed about 18 months ago so I took the opportunity to replace it with a Late 2013 15" rMBP. A few days ago I replaced the SSD & installed a fresh copy of El Capitan so my partner's son could use it. I had forgotten how much I loved that system. I took it all round the world & TBH the case is a bit scratched & scuffed because I didn't take the car of it I should (I have the rMBP in a plastic case). The screen is just glorious & it's still pretty usable with an EVO 850 SSD & 6GB RAM.

I like the speed & lightness of my rMBP but wish it had the 17" screen. I just bought a late 2011 MBP thinking that I would switch back to that but now I am having doubts. The screen is wonderful as is the keyboard & trackpad plus I love all the connections (Firewire 800, Ethernet, USB 3.0 via ExpressCard etc) but... it's a lot heavier than the rMBP. I think that I am going to end up keeping both for different uses. The rMBP when I travel & the Unibody when I am at home.

My partner has a 2012 15" Unibody which she bought at a very good price after I bought my rMBP. She specifically got it & not a rMBP because she thought that she would use the SuperDrive for ripping CDs. As it turns out it's very rarely been used for that & I have probably used my USB 3.0 external DVD drive on my rMBP more often than she has used her SuperDrive. The 2012 Unibody is a lovely fast machine too. Quad core i7 16GB RAM 1TB SSD
 
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I've had more MBPs than I can count, starting with the PowerMac G4. I used to upgrade just about every year a new one came out.

I do somewhat miss the pre-unibody intel models. The body didn't have sharp edges and I loved the antiglare screens on them - they were very soft on the eyes.

My fave would have to be my 2012 cMBP, it has been in use for a record 5 years. The drives and memory were removable so I swapped out the optical drive for a second hard drive, then eventually upgraded the memory and changed primary hard drive to an SSD. The expandability meant excellent value.
[doublepost=1517039380][/doublepost]I think the eGPU idea is a good route for Apple. It makes more sense and is more practical. Leave out the eGPU, keep the price lower esp. for those who don't game or need it. Come home, dock to your eGPU with a single cable with your gaming keyboard mouse and monitor, and away you go. Plus, being able to upgrade the eGPU is excellent value.


I completely agree! There are certainly professionals who need powerful GPUs for their work and those cannot be hosted within a thin and light enclosure. But Apple was never interested in that particular mobile market segment — for users like these they offer stationary machines like that. And I understand their rationale. If you do some very heavy duty video editing or rendering or some other task that can scale well of the GPU (unlike basic photo/video editing), you probably want to use a proper workstation.

I just find it utterly ridiculous that someone would say "my 2010/11/12/13 etc. MBP was a great professional machine, but the 2016/2017 are garbage because they are too thin and too light". Neither of those MBPs had great GPUs by contemporary standards. And in the CPU department, MBP is currently top of the market, as mentioned before.

P.S. Of course, I am not at all opposed agains Apple releasing a new variant of the MBP, that trades portability for GPU performance (as long as they don't push this on the rest of us). I am simply pointing out that the primitive criticism along the lines of "its thin and light, so its not pro" doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since the new design didn't remove any feature or performance aspect from the old one.
 
Any MacBook Pro from 2010 - 2012.:)
I don't like the new Macs at all. If I'll switch in the future I'll have to go with PC I guess.:/
 
I'm typing this on my mid-2012 15inch 2.7ghz i7 with 8gb Ram and 256gb SSD. I specifically purchased this maxed out version right before it was discontinued as I knew it would be the end of an era for MacBook Pros and wanted to make sure it was the best version at the time. It's got the High Res Antiglare display, with discreet graphics card, which I love. It's also got a DVD burner, which comes in handy. It's great knowing that, if I ever need to, I can replace the battery, hard drive, RAM, and disc drive all relatively easily on my own.

I've played around with many newer MBPs but I love this MBP and have no intention of upgrading until it completely dies. Even though it's not the latest and greatest, IMHO it's plenty modern and fast and should keep up with new Macs for many years to come.

This is my favorite MBP. What's yours?
2011 17 inch.
 
Mine is the one that I have: Late 2013 15" Macbook Pro with the dGPU. It is maxed out at 16GB of Ram and a 512GB SSD. I bought it new January 2017 for just $1,200. It was new old stock that a seller had on eBay. It replaced my beloved 2011 iMac 21.5. I know technically it is 5 years old but not to me and not to what I use it for: application and web development in both macOS and Win10.

I actually thought about buying a new 15" Macbook Pro w/TB but that damn keyboard just sucks. I easily can fat-finger what I'm typing on it. I tried to like it but it sucks. I also despise the lack of ports. I frequently use the HDMI port on my current Macbook Pro as well as the USB 3.0 ports for my backup hard drive and for my iPhone. I love the fact that I don't have to get dongles galore.
 
Mine would be the only Macbook Pro I've ever owned, My MacBook Pro 2,2 Core2 Duo 2.17Gz, I replaced the super drive with a SSD and made that my Windows & 64 bit boot drive and OS X Mountain Lion is on the other drive, It works great, Still !
 
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