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youtube not searching full collection?

ero87

ero87

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Hi friends,

There are many videos, some that ive posted myself, that don't show up in the iphone's youtube App. Any idea why?
 
Because the entire collection of youtube is not yet encoded to be compatible with the iPhone/AppleTV?

It's an ongoing process, and should be finished by the end of 2007 supposedly.
 
Allegedly, all newly added videos are automaticall h.264 encoded... but some that have clearly just been added still can't be found...
 
Wait, why go through all that trouble, though? Do they really think people are going to tolerate no Flash on the iPhone for much longer? They really should be focusing all that energy on plugging Flash into Safari.
 
iphoneuser said:
Wait, why go through all that trouble, though? Do they really think people are going to tolerate no Flash on the iPhone for much longer? They really should be focusing all that energy on plugging Flash into Safari.
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Why? Smartphones haven't supported Flash for a LONG time.

What are people going to do? Buy another phone because people have abused flash on their websites?
 
Google had planned to move YouTube to a more open standard anyway. They don't want to be tied to Adobe (or any corporation).

-steve

iphoneuser said:
Wait, why go through all that trouble, though? Do they really think people are going to tolerate no Flash on the iPhone for much longer? They really should be focusing all that energy on plugging Flash into Safari.
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D1G1T4L said:
Why? Smartphones haven't supported Flash for a LONG time.
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Some version of Flash has been available for handhelds since 2004. Granted, not very long ago. But lots of cell phones now come with the Lite version installed, and even Windows Mobile phones and pdas can now play any YouTube video directly.

Some phones even have their UI written in it. Too many people just assume Flash is just for video. But you can write whole apps in it. Flash could even become the perfect cross-platform application medium... if its speed was better.

So it's just nice to have Flash support on any current phone. Gives the user more choices.

Cheers,
Kev
 
kdarling said:
Some version of Flash has been available for handhelds since 2004. Granted, not very long ago. But lots of cell phones now come with the Lite version installed, and even Windows Mobile phones and pdas can now play any YouTube video directly.

Some phones even have their UI written in it. Too many people just assume Flash is just for video. But you can write whole apps in it. Flash could even become the perfect cross-platform application medium... if its speed was better.

So it's just nice to have Flash support on any current phone. Gives the user more choices.

Cheers,
Kev
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What version of flash has been available since 2004? Maybe I missed out but I didn't find a singer browser able to do flash in the past few years. To the best of my knowledge Opera Mobile 8.65 is the first to support flash and that just came out. What was out there in 04?

What Phone's UI is written in flash? Again haven't heard of this one.

I think you are just assuming people think flash is just video. I'm pretty sure people are aware there are flash games, flash apps, flash used in web sites, used in many ways.

That also doesn't mean it should be just thrown on. I think it was on the Apple Phone Show or Macbreak where Scott Bourne talked about how Adobe had said people have used Flash how it was never to be intended. A UI shouldn't be done in flash.
 
The otherwise pitiful Pocket Internet Explorer has had Flash support for years (both FlashLite and now full Flash.) But you don't need browser support to run Flash as apps.

Some phones with Flash as the UI:

LG Prada
Samsung F700
Samsung SCH S260

The S260 (from 2005) has a cool feature (see the picture above) where you can send an MMS with a picture overlaid by writing on paper that you take another picture of. Wild.

And then of course this add-on UI is being done in Flash:

iPhone-like Launcher for WM

Some phones that have Flash included:

Nokias
Verizon phones

I have no idea why someone would say that a UI shouldn't be done in Flash, unless they're amateurs at scaling.

Regards, Kev

PS. Grew up in Raleigh. I hear it's way hot down there this week!
 
D1G1T4L said:
That also doesn't mean it should be just thrown on. I think it was on the Apple Phone Show or Macbreak where Scott Bourne talked about how Adobe had said people have used Flash how it was never to be intended. A UI shouldn't be done in flash.
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Oh okay, found the podcast you're talking about, I think. The synopsis given has two points:

1) "Scott points out that Flash being missing is one of those big honking counterpoints to the iPhone's claim of a desktop browser."

So it sounds like he thinks that without it, we don't have the "real internet".

2) "Andy isn't fully convinced that it matters that much, and says that Adobe doesn't really want you using Flash for a whole site interface anyway; it's meant as an enhancement."

In other words, it's not meant as a website UI, which I agree with. But I'm talking about built-in application UIs.

Kev
 
the weird thing i've noticed was on launch i was able to find a certain video on my iphone, now I cant find that video, on my iphone
 
kdarling said:
I have no idea why someone would say that a UI shouldn't be done in Flash, unless they're amateurs at scaling.
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As a web programmer, I never recommend it to clients due to the fact that the Google bots won't properly spider your whole site. A big no no in SEO.

That being said, I really really wish the iPhone had Flash. The thing is more powerful than any other phone I've seen, so it doesn't make sense.

But then again, we all know it's coming very soon.
 
i was expecting youtube to be of a higher quality than it is on our iphones. I always thought the youtube videos were grainy on laptops and desktops because they were stretched too much, even though the video size was still pretty small. But i expected the quality of the videos on our iphone to be much clearer because it would be on a small screen to begin with. I guess i was wrong.
 
Joshua8o8 said:
i was expecting youtube to be of a higher quality than it is on our iphones. I always thought the youtube videos were grainy on laptops and desktops because they were stretched too much, even though the video size was still pretty small. But i expected the quality of the videos on our iphone to be much clearer because it would be on a small screen to begin with. I guess i was wrong.
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Are you watching them over EDGE, or WiFi? Because they'll stream at entirely different bitrates, depending on your connection type. If you're not on WiFi, give it a shot - I think you'll be pleased with the results.
 
People are blown away when they see you tube on my iphone. I always am on wifi though. and I show them a good quality clip.
 
WOW!!! That is a huge difference between the quality of the videos when watching on wi-fi vs. EDGE. I was watching Cas Haley on Americas got tallent ( one of the few videos in my history ) and i tested it on edge and wifi. And damn it looks a 1000x better on wifi. I stand corrected. I never made the connection between video quality and connection type.
 
Joshua8o8 said:
WOW!!! That is a huge difference between the quality of the videos when watching on wi-fi vs. EDGE. I was watching Cas Haley on Americas got tallent ( one of the few videos in my history ) and i tested it on edge and wifi. And damn it looks a 1000x better on wifi. I stand corrected. I never made the connection between video quality and connection type.
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Ots dumbed down on purpose due to the lower bandwith of edge. Glad the WiFi is working for you!
 
yea thanks for the info!

It is sad that the quality of thw edge videos are pretty crummy. Considering wi-fi is not going to be available every where you go. But im still glad it looks good on wifi!
 
I've noticed that the library is starting to fill out. Before yesterday, I've never seen a video with less than 10,000 views -- now I'm seeing videos that were posted just a couple of days ago with viewcounts in the hundreds.

Can't wait until it's all there...
 
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